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Alan Komenski

Band edge markers

Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
(visible marker line) a good idea?

73

Alan - AC2K

Redmond, WA

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Gary Gregory

Re: Band edge markers

Not for me..and for various reasons...:-)

Gary

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----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Komenski
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:29 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Band edge markers

Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
(visible marker line) a good idea?

73

Alan - AC2K

Redmond, WA

F.O.C #1851

F.I.S.T.S. #8063

A1 Ops

CWOps #35

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David Gilbert

Re: Band edge markers

In reply to this post by Alan Komenski

If a visible marker line is good enough for the P3 why isn't the
frequency display on the K3 sufficient?

Also ... they would have to take into account all the various license
classes to be of any use.

73,
Dave AB7E

On 12/6/2011 3:29 PM, Alan Komenski wrote:

> Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
> (visible marker line) a good idea?
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
> Alan - AC2K
>
> Redmond, WA
>
>

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Ken G Kopp

Re: Band edge markers

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Hi Alan,

I have a blind friend who might find band edge "beeps" useful,
but he uses a voice announcement feature built into his radio
when he needs to know where he's tuned to.

Otherwise, I can't see an application for band edge "beeps"
or visual markers. It's hard to visualize one tuning around
a band and -not- watching the display to the extent he wouldn't
know when a band edge had been crossed. What purpose
would a "beep" serve? Maybe I'm missing something ....

There has to be a limit to how much "hand holding" Elecraft
can do for us. (:-)))

73! Ken - K0PP

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Alan Komenski <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
> (visible marker line) a good idea?

> 73
> Alan - AC2K>
> Redmond, WA

> F.O.C #1851
> F.I.S.T.S. #8063
> A1 Ops
> CWOps #35
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Lou Kolb

Re: Band edge markers

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I wouldn't consider not having them a deal breaker but, as an op who is
blind I would certainly find them useful. I find the ascending and
descending tones that indicate whether a function is on or off absolutely
essential to every-day operation. lou, WA3MIX
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Komenski" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Band edge markers

> Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the
> P3
> (visible marker line) a good idea?
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
> Alan - AC2K
>
> Redmond, WA
>
>
>
> F.O.C #1851
>
> F.I.S.T.S. #8063
>
> A1 Ops
>
> CWOps #35
>
>
>
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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: Band edge markers

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On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:55 PM, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> If a visible marker line is good enough for the P3 why isn't the
> frequency display on the K3 sufficient?

That's kindof an odd question, IMO.... a line is a line - it's
visually obvious when you're going to cross it. The numbers on the K3
display are always there, whether you're about to cross a threshold or
not. You have to interpret the numbers to make that determination.

> Also ... they would have to take into account all the various license
> classes to be of any use.

But the K3 already knows where the band edges are, as it won't let you
transmit outside them! It may not know where the mode segments are
with the bands, though...

~iain / N6ML

> On 12/6/2011 3:29 PM, Alan Komenski wrote:
>> Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
>> (visible marker line) a good idea?
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan - AC2K
>>
>> Redmond, WA
>>
>>
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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: Band edge markers

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

I don't think it's that hard to visualise, when the bands are
relatively dead. I have found myself lazily spinning the VFO knob,
whilst watching something else (maybe reading email;), and then looked
at the rig to find myself way outside the band that I started in!

~iain / N6ML

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> I have a blind friend who might find band edge "beeps" useful,
> but he uses a voice announcement feature built into his radio
> when he needs to know where he's tuned to.
>
> Otherwise, I can't see an application for band edge "beeps"
> or visual markers. It's hard to visualize one tuning around
> a band and -not- watching the display to the extent he wouldn't
> know when a band edge had been crossed. What purpose
> would a "beep" serve? Maybe I'm missing something ....
>
> There has to be a limit to how much "hand holding" Elecraft
> can do for us. (:-)))
>
> 73! Ken - K0PP
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Alan Komenski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
>> (visible marker line) a good idea?
>
>> 73
>> Alan - AC2K>
>> Redmond, WA
>
>> F.O.C #1851
>> F.I.S.T.S. #8063
>> A1 Ops
>> CWOps #35
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Tom Azlin N4ZPT-2

Re: Band edge markers

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No, would turn them off if they were there.

73, tom n4zpt

On 12/6/2011 5:29 PM, Alan Komenski AC2K wrote:
> Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
> (visible marker line) a good idea?

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k6dgw

Re: Band edge markers

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On 12/6/2011 2:29 PM, Alan Komenski wrote:
> Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
> (visible marker line) a good idea?

Enough beeps in the phones and markers on the screen now.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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David Gilbert

Re: Band edge markers

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I don't think it's an odd question at all. I find it visually obvious
when the frequency readout shows me I'm out of band. I don't see the
difference between a cursor approaching a preset line versus the
frequency display approach I number I know to be the band limit. Can
you explain the difference for me? As far as I can tell, I'm just
looking at different things ... but things I would (or could) be looking
at anyway.

Dave AB7E

On 12/6/2011 4:00 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:55 PM, David Gilbert<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> If a visible marker line is good enough for the P3 why isn't the
>> frequency display on the K3 sufficient?
> That's kindof an odd question, IMO.... a line is a line - it's
> visually obvious when you're going to cross it. The numbers on the K3
> display are always there, whether you're about to cross a threshold or
> not. You have to interpret the numbers to make that determination.
>
>
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Jim N4KH

Re: Band edge markers

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Yes I think band edge markers (tones) on the K3 are a good idea. Why not
have them as an audible reinforcement that you've crossed the band edge?
Those who don't want them should be able to turn them off. Their absence was
one of the first things I noticed since I was used to them being there on my
ICOM rig.
Jim, N4KH

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Subject: [Elecraft] Band edge markers

Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
(visible marker line) a good idea?

73

Alan - AC2K

Redmond, WA

F.O.C #1851

F.I.S.T.S. #8063

A1 Ops

CWOps #35

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Gary Gregory

Re: Band edge markers

I believe we have enough 'features' on all radios manufactured today and we have legal obligations to stay within the bands pertaining to the various licences etc.

If you do the MARS mod...where do you want the band edges to be?....seems like your outside the 'normal' band usage so the accepted band edges would be of limited benefit?

I would rather see engineering and code development put into hardware and FW that improves the specification of the product rather than eye candy....YMMV

73

Gary

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----- Original Message -----
From: N4KH
To: 'Alan Komenski' ; [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band edge markers

Yes I think band edge markers (tones) on the K3 are a good idea. Why not
have them as an audible reinforcement that you've crossed the band edge?
Those who don't want them should be able to turn them off. Their absence was
one of the first things I noticed since I was used to them being there on my
ICOM rig.
Jim, N4KH

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Alan Komenski
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:30 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] Band edge markers

Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
(visible marker line) a good idea?

73

Alan - AC2K

Redmond, WA

F.O.C #1851

F.I.S.T.S. #8063

A1 Ops

CWOps #35

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Band edge markers [END of Thread]

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This was a topic some time back on the list. Band edges vary enough on a
regional/country and license class basis that its impractical for us to
do it at this time. We're very busy on several other areas at the
moment too :-)

No need to argue pro-con on the list. Let's table the discussion and
move on to the next topic.

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On 12/6/2011 4:41 PM, Gary VK4FD wrote:

> I believe we have enough 'features' on all radios manufactured today and we have legal obligations to stay within the bands pertaining to the various licences etc.
>
> If you do the MARS mod...where do you want the band edges to be?....seems like your outside the 'normal' band usage so the accepted band edges would be of limited benefit?
>
> I would rather see engineering and code development put into hardware and FW that improves the specification of the product rather than eye candy....YMMV
>
> 73
>
> Gary
>
>

drewko

Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]

In reply to this post by Alan Komenski

No. But I would like to be able to define a temporary frequency
segment that the VFO would be restricted to. This would be useful for
split tuning through pileups: finding the current caller to a DX
station or just finding an open spot for oneself.

One the segment limits were set up you could just turn the VFO knob
without looking at the frequency display and always remain within the
pile. As you hit either end of the temporary segment the frequency
readout would reset to the opposite end of the segment and keep going,
so you wouldn't have to pay any attention to the readout at all; just
turn the knob and listen. A sort of manual scanner.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:29:53 -0800, you wrote:

>Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
>(visible marker line) a good idea?
>
>
>
>73
>
>
>
>Alan - AC2K
>
>Redmond, WA
>
>
>
>F.O.C #1851
>
>F.I.S.T.S. #8063
>
>A1 Ops
>
>CWOps #35
>

daleputnam

Re: Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]

Wonder if it could be a scan without turning the knob, within that "corral" too?

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0500
> Subject: [Elecraft] Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]
>
> No. But I would like to be able to define a temporary frequency
> segment that the VFO would be restricted to. This would be useful for
> split tuning through pileups: finding the current caller to a DX
> station or just finding an open spot for oneself.
>
> One the segment limits were set up you could just turn the VFO knob
> without looking at the frequency display and always remain within the
> pile. As you hit either end of the temporary segment the frequency
> readout would reset to the opposite end of the segment and keep going,
> so you wouldn't have to pay any attention to the readout at all; just
> turn the knob and listen. A sort of manual scanner.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:29:53 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
> >(visible marker line) a good idea?
> >
> >
> >
> >73
> >
> >
> >
> >Alan - AC2K
> >
> >Redmond, WA
> >
> >
> >
> >F.O.C #1851
> >
> >F.I.S.T.S. #8063
> >
> >A1 Ops
> >
> >CWOps #35
> >
>
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w0mu

Re: Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]

Interesting idea but lots of stations actually operate outside their
splits or just say up.

On 12/7/11 9:26 AM, Dale Putnam wrote:

> Wonder if it could be a scan without turning the knob, within that "corral" too?
>
> --... ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>
>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0500
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]
>>
>> No. But I would like to be able to define a temporary frequency
>> segment that the VFO would be restricted to. This would be useful for
>> split tuning through pileups: finding the current caller to a DX
>> station or just finding an open spot for oneself.
>>
>> One the segment limits were set up you could just turn the VFO knob
>> without looking at the frequency display and always remain within the
>> pile. As you hit either end of the temporary segment the frequency
>> readout would reset to the opposite end of the segment and keep going,
>> so you wouldn't have to pay any attention to the readout at all; just
>> turn the knob and listen. A sort of manual scanner.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:29:53 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
>>> (visible marker line) a good idea?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan - AC2K
>>>
>>> Redmond, WA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> F.O.C #1851
>>>
>>> F.I.S.T.S. #8063
>>>
>>> A1 Ops
>>>
>>> CWOps #35
>>>
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drewko

Re: Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]

In reply to this post by daleputnam

Well, we already have a K3 scanner but it is not much use for tuning
through a pileup.

I think manual control of the VFO knob is required when looking
through a pileup; it would just be useful to not have to bother
looking at the frequency display all the time and keep reversing
tuning direction of the VFO knob. Especially for those who do the REV
button one-handed pileup navigating without benefit of sub-receiver or
P3.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 09:26:23 -0700, you wrote:

>
>Wonder if it could be a scan without turning the knob, within that "corral" too?
>
>--... ...--
>Dale - WC7S in Wy
>
>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0500
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]
>>
>> No. But I would like to be able to define a temporary frequency
>> segment that the VFO would be restricted to. This would be useful for
>> split tuning through pileups: finding the current caller to a DX
>> station or just finding an open spot for oneself.
>>
>> One the segment limits were set up you could just turn the VFO knob
>> without looking at the frequency display and always remain within the
>> pile. As you hit either end of the temporary segment the frequency
>> readout would reset to the opposite end of the segment and keep going,
>> so you wouldn't have to pay any attention to the readout at all; just
>> turn the knob and listen. A sort of manual scanner.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:29:53 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>> >Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3
>> >(visible marker line) a good idea?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >73
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Alan - AC2K
>> >
>> >Redmond, WA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >F.O.C #1851
>> >
>> >F.I.S.T.S. #8063
>> >
>> >A1 Ops
>> >
>> >CWOps #35
>> >
>>
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drewko

Re: Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]

In reply to this post by w0mu

Here is another idea that might be useful in working DX stations in
split:

LOCKing VFOA could engage a kind of automatic REV function such that
moving the VFOA knob will instantly swich the receiver to VFO-B. It
would automatically revert back to VFO-A when you stop moving the knob
for some user-selectable period of time, say some multiple of 1/10
second.

In operation you would tune in the DX station on VFOA as usual.
Then select: A>B, SPLIT, LOCK.
Then start turning the VFOA knob again. VFOA is locked so the receiver
instantly reverts to VFOB so you can roam around the pileup looking
for an empty spot or the current QSO. When you stop turning the knob
the receiver reverts back to VFOA after a short delay, ready to
transmit on VFOB.

That would eliminate all of the REV button pushing and one-handed
gymnastics!

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 09:29:02 -0700, Mike Fatchett W0MU wrote:

>Interesting idea but lots of stations actually operate outside their
>splits or just say up.
>

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N5GE

Re: Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]

In reply to this post by drewko

Elecraft; Please modify the K3 so I can set it in DX mode and go watch my
favorite TV show while it works DX or contests for me. That way I wouldn't have
to learn or use any skills, watch the P3, turn the VFO, speak into the mic, send
CW, log contacts, upload my log to eQSL and LOTW or the contest sponsor.

After the event I would be able to have long discussions with the owners of the
other rig brands about how much smarter my K3 was that theirs.

Could you have this completed before the next contest? Afterall, it would just
be a firmware change, right?

;-)

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

"If somebody has a bad heart,
they can plug this jack in at
night as they go to bed and it
will monitor their heart
throughout the night. And the
next morning, when they wake up
dead, there'll be a record."

--Mark S. Fowler, FCC Chairman,
1981 - 1987

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0500, drewko <[hidden email]> wrote:

>No. But I would like to be able to define a temporary frequency
>segment that the VFO would be restricted to. This would be useful for
>split tuning through pileups: finding the current caller to a DX
>station or just finding an open spot for oneself.
>
>One the segment limits were set up you could just turn the VFO knob
>without looking at the frequency display and always remain within the
>pile. As you hit either end of the temporary segment the frequency
>readout would reset to the opposite end of the segment and keep going,
>so you wouldn't have to pay any attention to the readout at all; just
>turn the knob and listen. A sort of manual scanner.
>
>73,
>Drew
>AF2Z

[snip]

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Re: Pileup "markers" [ was Re: Band edge markers]

You sir do not have the newest beta firmware release. Get with the
times! :)

Mike W0MU

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On 12/7/2011 11:27 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Elecraft; Please modify the K3 so I can set it in DX mode and go watch my
> favorite TV show while it works DX or contests for me. That way I wouldn't have
> to learn or use any skills, watch the P3, turn the VFO, speak into the mic, send
> CW, log contacts, upload my log to eQSL and LOTW or the contest sponsor.
>
> After the event I would be able to have long discussions with the owners of the
> other rig brands about how much smarter my K3 was that theirs.
>
> Could you have this completed before the next contest? Afterall, it would just
> be a firmware change, right?
>
> ;-)
>
> 73,
> Tom
> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
> ARRL Lifetime Member
> QCWA Lifetime Member
>
> "If somebody has a bad heart,
> they can plug this jack in at
> night as they go to bed and it
> will monitor their heart
> throughout the night. And the
> next morning, when they wake up
> dead, there'll be a record."
>
> --Mark S. Fowler, FCC Chairman,
> 1981 - 1987
>
>
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0500, drewko<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> No. But I would like to be able to define a temporary frequency
>> segment that the VFO would be restricted to. This would be useful for
>> split tuning through pileups: finding the current caller to a DX
>> station or just finding an open spot for oneself.
>>
>> One the segment limits were set up you could just turn the VFO knob
>> without looking at the frequency display and always remain within the
>> pile. As you hit either end of the temporary segment the frequency
>> readout would reset to the opposite end of the segment and keep going,
>> so you wouldn't have to pay any attention to the readout at all; just
>> turn the knob and listen. A sort of manual scanner.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
> [snip]
>
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