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Bluetooth audio adapter for K3

Yngvi (TF3Y)
Has anyone used a Bluetooth adapter for wireless headphones / headset with
the K3?

Any recommendations or suggestions?
What you stay away from?

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Re: Bluetooth audio adapter for K3

Gary K9GS
I would like this info too.


73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: "Yngvi (TF3Y)" <[hidden email]> Date: 9/1/17  3:41 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth audio adapter for K3
Has anyone used a Bluetooth adapter for wireless headphones / headset with
the K3?

Any recommendations or suggestions?
What you stay away from?

73, Yngvi TF3Y
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Re: Bluetooth audio adapter for K3

Gary Harrold
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I have been using an inexpensive adaptor from Amazon for several weeks now.  Can't say what it is as in a joint effort a friend bought two adaptors after I suggested it might couple to his hearing aids and I later bought inexpensive headphones for both of us.  Tag on back says model H-366T.  Hangs toward the ceiling in the Ham shack and I can listen in the den if I like.  Very nice to be able to move around the shack without being entangled in a cord.  Has mic capability as well but haven't looked into that yet.  

Gary W. Harrold
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   1. Re: KX2, spy radio (Dave Cole)
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   3. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Phil Kane)
   4. Re: KX2, spy radio (Mike Morrow)
   5. Re: KX2, spy radio (Mike Morrow)
   6. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Jim Brown)
   7. Re: K1 Discontinued (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
   8. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Richard Lamont)
   9. The times they are a changin. (Glen Torr)
  10. Re: Thanks for all the portable operation photos so far
      (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
  11. Re: KX2, spy radio (Dave Sublette)
  12. OT: Spy Radio (Ken G Kopp)
  13. Re: KX2, spy radio (Charlie T, K3ICH)
  14. Re: KX2, spy radio (Jim Sheldon)
  15. OT: PC Board Software request (Jim Sheldon)
  16. Re: Thanks for all the portable operation photos so far
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  17. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Phil Kane)
  18. Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Michael Chowning)
  19. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
  20. Y-BOX Labor Day Weekend Special - Free Domestic Shipping
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  21. Re: Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Mel Farrer)
  22. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Jim Brown)
  23. Re: Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Jim Brown)
  24. KX3, IF for XV144 (vhf contesting) (XV144 update?) (Samir Popaja)
  25. Re: Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Mark Goldberg)
  26. Update on KXPD2 and KXPD3 paddles (Wayne Burdick)
  27. Bluetooth audio adapter for K3 (Yngvi (TF3Y))
  28. Re: Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Jim Brown)
  29. Re: Bluetooth audio adapter for K3 (GaryK9GS)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:20:11 -0700
From: Dave Cole <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
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That and counting change back...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 08/31/2017 07:56 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

> SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
>
> Much like cursive writing today is secret code for us "old" people.
>
> Chas
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> Imagine what the WWII resistance/spies would have given for a KX2!  
> Fun and interesting to look at the equipment they were using.
> Steve, Ki7L
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Sent from my iPhone


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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:53:57 -0700
From: Phil Kane <[hidden email]>
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On 8/31/2017 10:46 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> What I did as part of my ISP was to remove the batteries from my UPSes
> and replace 7 or 12Ah batteries with 100Ah batteries outside the case.
>
> That didn't get me to the 10 hours for maximum battery life, but it
> got me to 8 hours.....
>
> Jim's suggestion also lets you size the battery to run all the gear
> for more than a few minutes.

I have 2 APC UPS devices - I moved one's 7 AH battery to an external container where I have three of them in parallel.  That UPS runs the
cable modem, router, and cordless phone system.   The other one runs my
desktop computer and accessories.  Because of the type of battery in the machine, I would have to do serious soldering to attach external wires, which would void the warranty.

My standby power mentor/guru explained to me quite a few years ago that given a large enough battery source, the limiting factor in most consumer-grade UPS is the heating of the electronics.  Both of those UPSes are running at about 15% of "advertised capacity" which, according to APC's runtime curve, extends the run time by a factor of 10.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 23:56:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]>
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Here's a 1970-era small western world 'clandestine' set called the AVCO TAR-224A:

  http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/tar224/

It's about three times the bulk of the KX3, which is very small for the era and not too large even by today's standards.  It puts out 20 watts A1 or A3 from 2 to 24 MHz, and is all solid state with auto antenna tuner and Morse key built onto the front panel.  (Sounds familiar.)  This 47-year-old set will typically cost today more than a new full-house KX3 if you find one for sale!  I have one...it's the provenance that attracts.  Technically speaking, only its suitability for use in unfavorable environmental conditions gives it any advantage over a KX3.

Mike / KK5F

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>Imagine what the WWII resistance/spies would have given for a KX2!  Fun
>and interesting to look at the equipment they were using.



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 00:09:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]>
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Chas wrote:

> SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.

Not even remotely so...SSB technology goes back decades before WWII.

>From Wikipedia:

"The first U.S. patent?for SSB modulation was applied for on December 1, 1915 by John Renshaw Carson. The U.S. Navy experimented with SSB over its radio circuits before?World War I. ?SSB first entered commercial service on January 7, 1927 on the?longwave?transatlantic public radiotelephone circuit between New York and London."

Mike / KK5F


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:39:15 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
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On 8/31/2017 3:26 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:
> I have an APC SmartUPS 700, which I bought many years ago from
> http://www.refurbups.com/.  The manual says it's certified as Class B.

Thanks Jim. I looked at a half-dozen APC UPS units advertised on that site about 2 weeks ago, and studied their specs on the APC website. All were Class A. Things change, of course, and I only checked those few units.

73, Jim K9YC



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 00:31:18 -0700 (MST)
From: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
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Roney,
congrats for your K1 jewel > nice pics on Flickr.
Yes, I am sure you will be really satisfied with that little rig. If it is properly aligned then it works like champ anywhere you are.
maybe it is time to buy some additional parts until they will be gone...
Good luck!
73 - Petr, OK1RP



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 09:05:46 +0100
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On 31/08/17 22:56, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 8/31/2017 11:35 AM, Tox wrote:
>> I had a couple racks of APC
>> SmartUPS 2000 units with daisychained batteries to give extended
>> holdup to a couple of racks of telecom and server hw. No clue how RF
>> noisy those units are, though.
>
> All of the APC units for which I've seen spec sheets are FCC Part 15
> Class A (the industrial spec, ILLEGAL to sell for residential use,
> roughly 20 dB worse than Class B).

I had a SmartUPS 750, and it was very bad. Put out crud all the way from VLF to VHF. I threw it away in the end. In the shack I use a much older APC Back-UPS 500 for the computer, which doesn't seem to cause any problems. I've had to replace the battery every 3-4 years, but that's to be expected.


73,
Richard G4DYA


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 20:04:58 +1000
From: Glen Torr <[hidden email]>
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] The times they are a changin.
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Hi Ho All,

Absolutely no disrespect here, I am an extremely loyal and prolific Elecraft user/builder.

The KX1 and K1 are gone and the KPA 1500 is ascending.

I have ordered a QRP Labs QCX, a very innovative and kit oriented radio.

The mantle at the lower end has moved on.

Cheers,

Glen VK1FB


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 04:26:06 -0700
From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
To: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>,
        "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Thanks for all the portable operation photos
        so far
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Wayne,

These should be forwarded to Margaret and me for our promo use.

Eric
elecraft.com
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> On Aug 29, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I?ve received so many great photos already that I won?t be able to thank everyone personally. But keep ?em coming.
>
> Clearly some folks had a lot more fun than I did this summer.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We?re looking for photos of you, your Elecraft portable gear, and great outdoor locations to use in an upcoming newsletter article. We might also use them on our website or in promotional literature.
>>
>> If you have photos you?d like to share, please send them to me directly. I can?t guarantee they?ll be used now; possibly later.
>>
>> Please include one sentence that could be used as a caption. Extra points for humor or lessons learned.
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>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 08:45:31 -0400
From: Dave Sublette <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
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As a former CT ? I enjoyed the web page.  Thanks for sharing.

Dave, K4TO

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Chas wrote:
>
>> SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
>
> Not even remotely so...SSB technology goes back decades before WWII.
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "The first U.S. patent for SSB modulation was applied for on December 1, 1915 by John Renshaw Carson. The U.S. Navy experimented with SSB over its radio circuits before World War I.  SSB first entered commercial service on January 7, 1927 on the longwave transatlantic public radiotelephone circuit between New York and London."
>
> Mike / KK5F
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 06:57:40 -0600
From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
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Google "RS-6".  I had a set many years ago.  Got them via Navy MARS as N0SJP.

73!

K0PP


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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 09:09:55 -0400
From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
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And here I thought Art Collins invented SSB, like algore invented the internet (wink-wink)

Chas


(For all who take life too seriously this WAS intended to be humorous)

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As a former CT ? I enjoyed the web page.  Thanks for sharing.

Dave, K4TO

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Chas wrote:
>
>> SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
>
> Not even remotely so...SSB technology goes back decades before WWII.
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "The first U.S. patent for SSB modulation was applied for on December 1, 1915 by John Renshaw Carson. The U.S. Navy experimented with SSB over its radio circuits before World War I.  SSB first entered commercial service on January 7, 1927 on the longwave transatlantic public radiotelephone circuit between New York and London."
>
> Mike / KK5F
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 14:01:27 +0000
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Naw, he just figured out a practical way to use it in smaller radios by the invention of the narrow bandwidth, very steep skirted "mechanical"
filter to lop off the unwanted sideband (if you consider the radios of that day smaller - LOL).  The real use of SSB came when General LeMay of SAC adopted it for their world wide HF communications network and propagation conditions during that time were so good that it was almost impossible NOT to communicate anywhere you wanted to with SSB.

W0EB

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Sent: 9/1/2017 8:09:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio

>And here I thought Art Collins invented SSB, like algore invented the
>internet (wink-wink)
>
>Chas
>
>
>(For all who take life too seriously this WAS intended to be humorous)
>
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>[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Sublette
>Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:46 AM
>To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
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>
>As a former CT ? I enjoyed the web page.  Thanks for sharing.
>
>Dave, K4TO
>>On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>Chas wrote:
>>
>>>SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
>>
>>Not even remotely so...SSB technology goes back decades before WWII.
>>
>>From Wikipedia:
>>
>>"The first U.S. patent for SSB modulation was applied for on December
>>1, 1915 by John Renshaw Carson. The U.S. Navy experimented with SSB
>>over its radio circuits before World War I.  SSB first entered
>>commercial service on January 7, 1927 on the longwave transatlantic
>>public radiotelephone circuit between New York and London."
>>
>>Mike / KK5F
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 15:28:39 +0000
From: "Jim Sheldon" <[hidden email]>
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Anyone out there have an old copy of the "Copper Connection" PCB
software that no longer use and are willling to part with?  Since
Express PCB bought them out I can't find the software anymore.  I need
something that will produce the "Gerber" files that pretty much all the
PCB manufacturers need to do production PCB's even in limited
quantities.

Please reply off list to keep the clutter (and Eric's wrath) to a
minimum - LOL.

Jim - W0EB



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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:12:11 -0400
From: [hidden email]
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        so far
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 For a couple of photos of the joys of playing with Elecraft radios, check out my operation in the 2017 ARRL DX CW contest. The photos don't include my K3, and would not likely be considered suitable for publication, but anyway:

http://floridacontestgroup.org/contest-gazette/

And check out page 10 of the March 2017 issue.

Contesting is good when you head to the salt water!

BTW, I have since discovered that the Prius, when parked with the car "ON", will keep the 12 volt battery pretty well charged from the hybrid battery, with little or no RFI.


73   -  Jim   K8MR





 

 

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From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[hidden email]>
To: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>; KX3 <[hidden email]>
Sent: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 7:28 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Thanks for all the portable operation photos so far

Wayne,These should be forwarded to Margaret and me for our promo use.Ericelecraft.com_..._> On Aug 29, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:> > I?ve received so many great photos already that I won?t be able to thank everyone personally. But keep ?em coming.> > Clearly some folks had a lot more fun than I did this summer. > > 73,> Wayne> N6KR>



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 10:32:02 -0700
From: Phil Kane <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
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On 8/31/2017 2:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> All of the APC units for which I've seen spec sheets are FCC Part 15> Class A (the industrial spec, ILLEGAL to sell for residential use,>
roughly 20 dB worse than Class B).

The spec sheets for both of my APC UPS devices (BE550R and BX1500G)
specify FCC Part 15 Class B.

> Second, a local computer guru, AE6KS, has observed that most UPS mfrs charge batteries at too fast a rate for good battery life.

Both spec sheets show a recharge time of 16 hours.  Is that "too fast"?

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 13:37:44 -0400
From: Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
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Being there is no better place to get advice than this reflector, I am seeking your recommendation.  I have an Elecraft K3, P3, KAT500 & KPA500.

I want to operate somewhat portable with the K3, P3, monitor and laptop, buddipole on SSB and digital modes on Field day, and demonstrations on outings to community events (like festivals, etc).  My options, I?m considering are:

1) Honda 2000i gasoline generator
2) Yamaha EF2000iSV2 (with propane option)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

1) Deep Cell 12v 100amp battery (brand, model, control charger?)
2) Lipo battery (brand, model, control charger?)
2) appropriate solar power panels and controller charge for either of the above battery (brand, model, adapters?)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My questions:
 1) Is it best to go with the generator option; and if so, which of the two choices above?  Any outstanding reason for this option, and choice of the two?
 2) Is it best to go with the Battery, and solar option; why? Is there reason to choose the Lipo over the Deep Cell batteries? I am concerned over the choices about battery voltages and amp?s needed to operate as stated above.

It?s noisy but the generator option seems on the surface much simpler for setup.  However, from the perspective of demonstration of Amateur Radio today, the solar and battery option appears to be more demonstrative of the state of Amateur Radio today.  Being 77 yrs old, I don?t want to get over my head in technology (though I love such).
Thanks for your thoughtful recommendations.
       Mike, N8TTR
 



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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 10:47:53 -0700
From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
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Keep in mind that by code, a device plugged into a 15 amp circuit must
not draw more than 12 amps continuous.

When you get into the larger UPSes, they might want to charge really
fast, but charging at a high rate and carrying the rated load will
exceed 12 amps.

So depending on the rating of the unit, and the recommended input
circuit, some models will definitely charge slow.

16 hours is not too fast for charging.  If the UPS can't carry the load
for ten hours, then the discharge rate is WAY TOO FAST.

Most UPSes are designed to carry the load for about 15 minutes, so if
you aren't killing the battery charging, you're killing it discharging.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/1/2017 10:32 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
>> Second, a local computer guru, AE6KS, has observed that most UPS mfrs charge batteries at too fast a rate for good battery life.

> Both spec sheets show a recharge time of 16 hours.  Is that "too fast"?


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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:16:46 -0700
From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" <[hidden email]>
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 18:19:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mel Farrer <[hidden email]>
To: Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>, Elecraft Reflector
        <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
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While I don't this much anymore, I would consider the generator for situations where solar is not an option.
Honda 2000i ~$1100

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Solar is more pubic friendly albeit more ground space.Will handle your power load during the day and quite a while on the battery alone.

Mel, K6KBE

      From: Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
 Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 10:54 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
   
Being there is no better place to get advice than this reflector, I am seeking your recommendation.? I have an Elecraft K3, P3, KAT500 & KPA500.

I want to operate somewhat portable with the K3, P3, monitor and laptop, buddipole on SSB and digital modes on Field day, and demonstrations on outings to community events (like festivals, etc).? My options, I?m considering are:

1) Honda 2000i gasoline generator
2) Yamaha EF2000iSV2 (with propane option)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

1) Deep Cell 12v 100amp battery (brand, model, control charger?)
2) Lipo battery (brand, model, control charger?)
2) appropriate solar power panels and controller charge for either of the above battery (brand, model, adapters?)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My questions:
 1) Is it best to go with the generator option; and if so, which of the two choices above?? Any outstanding reason for this option, and choice of the two?
 2) Is it best to go with the Battery, and solar option; why? Is there reason to choose the Lipo over the Deep Cell batteries? I am concerned over the choices about battery voltages and amp?s needed to operate as stated above.

It?s noisy but the generator option seems on the surface much simpler for setup.? However, from the perspective of demonstration of Amateur Radio today, the solar and battery option appears to be more demonstrative of the state of Amateur Radio today.? Being 77 yrs old, I don?t want to get over my head in technology (though I love such).
Thanks for your thoughtful recommendations.
? ? ? Mike, N8TTR
 

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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:31:57 -0700
From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
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No, that's just about ideal for battery life.

73, Jim

On 9/1/2017 10:32 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
>> Second, a local computer guru, AE6KS, has observed that most UPS mfrs charge batteries at too fast a rate for good battery life.
> Both spec sheets show a recharge time of 16 hours.  Is that "too fast"?




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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:41:21 -0700
From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
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There's no way you're going to run a KPA500 on battery.? IMO, power amps
are totally out of place on FD, which I've always seen as a "barefoot"
or QRP event.

We do county expeditions for QSO parties like 7QP and CQP, and run two
or three stations, each consisting of a K3, KPA500, KAT500, and P3/SVGA.
Each station is powered by a Honda 2000i running in Econmode. They make
some RF noise, which must be filtered with a good multi-turn ferrite
choke. Follow the guidelines for chokes on RG8-size cable
(k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf), and place the choke right at the generator.
Commercial line filters do NOT work.

My neighbor W6GJB converted his 2000i to propane, and loves it. Mine is
still burning petrol.

73, Jim K9YC

On 9/1/2017 10:37 AM, Michael Chowning wrote:

> Being there is no better place to get advice than this reflector, I am seeking your recommendation.  I have an Elecraft K3, P3, KAT500 & KPA500.
>
> I want to operate somewhat portable with the K3, P3, monitor and laptop, buddipole on SSB and digital modes on Field day, and demonstrations on outings to community events (like festivals, etc).  My options, I?m considering are:
>
> 1) Honda 2000i gasoline generator
> 2) Yamaha EF2000iSV2 (with propane option)
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> 1) Deep Cell 12v 100amp battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> 2) Lipo battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> 2) appropriate solar power panels and controller charge for either of the above battery (brand, model, adapters?)
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> My questions:
>   1) Is it best to go with the generator option; and if so, which of the two choices above?  Any outstanding reason for this option, and choice of the two?
>   2) Is it best to go with the Battery, and solar option; why? Is there reason to choose the Lipo over the Deep Cell batteries? I am concerned over the choices about battery voltages and amp?s needed to operate as stated above.
>
> It?s noisy but the generator option seems on the surface much simpler for setup.  However, from the perspective of demonstration of Amateur Radio today, the solar and battery option appears to be more demonstrative of the state of Amateur Radio today.  Being 77 yrs old, I don?t want to get over my head in technology (though I love such).
> Thanks for your thoughtful recommendations.
>         Mike, N8TTR
>  
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 21:11:05 +0200
From: "Samir Popaja" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3, IF for XV144 (vhf contesting) (XV144 update?)
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Hello,

 

I'm wondering how good the KX3 is for IF with XV144 in VHF contesting.

 

I have use  K3 previously and now )Iwould like to have something little
smaller but with same good performance.

 

Little worried after I read this review:

http://ve3vn.blogspot.se/2015/02/kx3-review-by-qrp-dxer-and-contester.html

 

Is any chance for Elecraft to make (KIT UPDATE) for XV144 to use IF on
14MHz, the most transceivers has much better characteristic on 14MHz then on
28MHz. One can choose if they want to make XV144 with 28 or 14MHz IF,
depending on use (CW, SSB, FM).

 

73' Samir, sm7vzx



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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 13:13:07 -0700
From: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
To: Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
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On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Being there is no better place to get advice than this reflector, I am
> seeking your recommendation.  I have an Elecraft K3, P3, KAT500 & KPA500.
>
> I want to operate somewhat portable with the K3, P3, monitor and laptop,
> buddipole on SSB and digital modes on Field day, and demonstrations on
> outings to community events (like festivals, etc).  My options, I?m
> considering are:
>
> 1) Honda 2000i gasoline generator
> 2) Yamaha EF2000iSV2 (with propane option)
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>

I don't use generators for field day as we are in the woods and don't want
any noise. The inverter generators are quiet though. I have been threatened
that my RV generator will suffer from "Lead Poisoning" if it is run in the
woods. It is very loud.



> 1) Deep Cell 12v 100amp battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> 2) Lipo battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> 2) appropriate solar power panels and controller charge for either of the
> above battery (brand, model, adapters?)
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++
>

I use a solar system with deep cycle lead acid batteries, recently
installed in my RV, but it was standalone. A description with specific
models may be found on:

https://sites.google.com/site/marksrvmods/

The RV has a large inverter for 115V. I previously used a large inverter
standalone. Both are Xantrex, a good brand. They make some RF hash, but
they are tamable with Ferrite cores. Some inverters are very noisy.

200W of solar panels and two 75 Amp Hour batteries will run a 100W ham
station for field day late into the night. I have 4 batteries and 400W of
solar panels to run the RV too. I am really keen on the flexible solar
panels I use. They are very light and efficient. They have gotten lots of
attention whenever I set them out. They may not be the best for a permanent
installation, but for quick setup and teardown they are ideal.

Note that MPPT solar charge controllers are the most efficient but usually
make lots of RF hash. I use a Morningstar PWM controller that has a bang
bang option, that will either be on or off, no RF hash from switching. It
does reduce the actual output of the 400W panels to 300W though.

Lipo batteries do not produce the right voltage for radios. 4 Cells is too
much, 3 cells is too little. LiFePO4 batteries do and they are safer. A 4
cell pack runs from about 14.4 V down to 12 V at 90% discharge, which is
ideal for remote operation. They still take special charging, sometimes
built in to the batteries, but they are very expensive.

I have a 20 Amp Hour from batteryspace,com that I use for long QRP, and I
have a separate special charger. They also have ones with built in charging
/ balancing circuits, but they cost more.

I have two small 4s1p LiFePO4 packs from buddyrc.com for remote QRP, but
they don't seem to sell them any more.

bioennopower.com has lots of options with built in charging circuits that
make it a little easier and they get good reviews. I could not afford to
have the big boys be LiFePO4 though and have not bought from them. A few
hundred Amp Hours of LiFePO4 will be in the thousands of dollars.

For all these batteries, it is a good idea to monitor them and stop using
them when they get down to about 12V. LifePO4 especially can be permanently
damaged if discharged too low.

Good luck in whatever you choose. As you can see, there are many options
with no "best" option for all circumstances.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 13:31:00 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Update on KXPD2 and KXPD3 paddles
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I have to apologize for stating that there were mod kits available for the KXPD2 and KXPD3 that reflect improvements we?ve made over time. Turns out that we only upgrade existing units at the factory, so we can do complete testing before returning them.

For paddles under warranty that aren?t up to the current configuration, we?ll add the upgrades on request, at no charge.

For those out of warranty, we charge a flat $79 fee (plus shipping) to do the upgrade. (We just reduced this from $95.)

If you have an older KXPD3 you?d like to upgrade, please use the following link to place the order:

    http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3

For older KXPD2s there will be a similar process, but it is not in place yet. We?ll announce it in a week or two.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 20:41:38 +0000
From: "Yngvi (TF3Y)" <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth audio adapter for K3
Message-ID:
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Has anyone used a Bluetooth adapter for wireless headphones / headset with
the K3?

Any recommendations or suggestions?
What you stay away from?

73, Yngvi TF3Y
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:17:04 -0700
From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
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Mike,

In addition to the response I wrote earlier and others you have
received, you should study the list archives. There have been many
thoughtful and detailed posts on this topic in the last six months. I've
made several myself.

73, Jim K9YC

On 9/1/2017 10:37 AM, Michael Chowning wrote:
> My questions:
>   1) Is it best to go with the generator option; and if so, which of the two choices above?  Any outstanding reason for this option, and choice of the two?
>   2) Is it best to go with the Battery, and solar option; why? Is there reason to choose the Lipo over the Deep Cell batteries? I am concerned over the choices about battery voltages and amp?s needed to operate as stated above.




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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 17:10:34 -0500
From: GaryK9GS <[hidden email]>
To: "Yngvi (TF3Y)" <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]"
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bluetooth audio adapter for K3
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I would like this info too.


73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: "Yngvi (TF3Y)" <[hidden email]> Date: 9/1/17  3:41 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth audio adapter for K3
Has anyone used a Bluetooth adapter for wireless headphones / headset with
the K3?

Any recommendations or suggestions?
What you stay away from?

73, Yngvi TF3Y
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Re: Bluetooth audio adapter for K3

k6mkf
It's probably this:

https://www.amazon.com/Baile-Transmitter-Multi-Point-H-366T-Simultaneously/d
p/B00X7L7HYG


- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
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> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 3:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bluetooth audio adapter for K3
>
> I have been using an inexpensive adaptor from Amazon for several weeks
now.
> Can't say what it is as in a joint effort a friend bought two adaptors
after I
> suggested it might couple to his hearing aids and I later bought
inexpensive
> headphones for both of us.  Tag on back says model H-366T.  Hangs toward
the
> ceiling in the Ham shack and I can listen in the den if I like.  Very nice
to be able
> to move around the shack without being entangled in a cord.  Has mic
capability

> as well but haven't looked into that yet.
>
> Gary W. Harrold
> Retired, Amateur Radio Active
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>    1. Re: KX2, spy radio (Dave Cole)
>    2. Submission (Greg)
>    3. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Phil Kane)
>    4. Re: KX2, spy radio (Mike Morrow)
>    5. Re: KX2, spy radio (Mike Morrow)
>    6. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Jim Brown)
>    7. Re: K1 Discontinued (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
>    8. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Richard Lamont)
>    9. The times they are a changin. (Glen Torr)
>   10. Re: Thanks for all the portable operation photos so far
>       (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
>   11. Re: KX2, spy radio (Dave Sublette)
>   12. OT: Spy Radio (Ken G Kopp)
>   13. Re: KX2, spy radio (Charlie T, K3ICH)
>   14. Re: KX2, spy radio (Jim Sheldon)
>   15. OT: PC Board Software request (Jim Sheldon)
>   16. Re: Thanks for all the portable operation photos so far
>       ([hidden email])
>   17. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Phil Kane)
>   18. Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Michael Chowning)
>   19. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
>   20. Y-BOX Labor Day Weekend Special - Free Domestic Shipping
>       (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
>   21. Re: Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Mel Farrer)
>   22. Re: UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Jim Brown)
>   23. Re: Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Jim Brown)
>   24. KX3, IF for XV144 (vhf contesting) (XV144 update?) (Samir Popaja)
>   25. Re: Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Mark Goldberg)
>   26. Update on KXPD2 and KXPD3 paddles (Wayne Burdick)
>   27. Bluetooth audio adapter for K3 (Yngvi (TF3Y))
>   28. Re: Portable Power for digital and Phone operation (Jim Brown)
>   29. Re: Bluetooth audio adapter for K3 (GaryK9GS)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:20:11 -0700
> From: Dave Cole <[hidden email]>
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
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> That and counting change back...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
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> On 08/31/2017 07:56 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> > SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
> >
> > Much like cursive writing today is secret code for us "old" people.
> >
> > Chas
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Subject: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
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> > Imagine what the WWII resistance/spies would have given for a KX2!
> > Fun and interesting to look at the equipment they were using.
> > Steve, Ki7L
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>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:53:57 -0700
> From: Phil Kane <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
> On 8/31/2017 10:46 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>
> > What I did as part of my ISP was to remove the batteries from my UPSes
> > and replace 7 or 12Ah batteries with 100Ah batteries outside the case.
> >
> > That didn't get me to the 10 hours for maximum battery life, but it
> > got me to 8 hours.....
> >
> > Jim's suggestion also lets you size the battery to run all the gear
> > for more than a few minutes.
>
> I have 2 APC UPS devices - I moved one's 7 AH battery to an external
container
> where I have three of them in parallel.  That UPS runs the
> cable modem, router, and cordless phone system.   The other one runs my
> desktop computer and accessories.  Because of the type of battery in the
> machine, I would have to do serious soldering to attach external wires,
which
> would void the warranty.
>
> My standby power mentor/guru explained to me quite a few years ago that
given
> a large enough battery source, the limiting factor in most consumer-grade
UPS is
> the heating of the electronics.  Both of those UPSes are running at about
15% of
> "advertised capacity" which, according to APC's runtime curve, extends the
run

> time by a factor of 10.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>
> >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 23:56:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
> Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]>
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>
> Here's a 1970-era small western world 'clandestine' set called the AVCO
TAR-
> 224A:
>
>   http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/tar224/
>
> It's about three times the bulk of the KX3, which is very small for the
era and not
> too large even by today's standards.  It puts out 20 watts A1 or A3 from 2
to 24
> MHz, and is all solid state with auto antenna tuner and Morse key built
onto the
> front panel.  (Sounds familiar.)  This 47-year-old set will typically cost
today more
> than a new full-house KX3 if you find one for sale!  I have one...it's the
> provenance that attracts.  Technically speaking, only its suitability for
use in

> unfavorable environmental conditions gives it any advantage over a KX3.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Stephen Peterson <[hidden email]>
> >Sent: Aug 31, 2017 8:33 PM
> >
> >Imagine what the WWII resistance/spies would have given for a KX2!  Fun
> >and interesting to look at the equipment they were using.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 00:09:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
> Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Chas wrote:
>
> > SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
>
> Not even remotely so...SSB technology goes back decades before WWII.
>
> >From Wikipedia:
>
> "The first U.S. patent?for SSB modulation was applied for on December 1,
1915
> by John Renshaw Carson. The U.S. Navy experimented with SSB over its radio
> circuits before?World War I. ?SSB first entered commercial service on
January 7,
> 1927 on the?longwave?transatlantic public radiotelephone circuit between
New

> York and London."
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:39:15 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> To: Jim McDonald <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
> Message-ID:
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>
> On 8/31/2017 3:26 PM, Jim McDonald wrote:
> > I have an APC SmartUPS 700, which I bought many years ago from
> > http://www.refurbups.com/.  The manual says it's certified as Class B.
>
> Thanks Jim. I looked at a half-dozen APC UPS units advertised on that site
about
> 2 weeks ago, and studied their specs on the APC website. All were Class A.
Things

> change, of course, and I only checked those few units.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 00:31:18 -0700 (MST)
> From: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Roney,
> congrats for your K1 jewel > nice pics on Flickr.
> Yes, I am sure you will be really satisfied with that little rig. If it is
properly

> aligned then it works like champ anywhere you are.
> maybe it is time to buy some additional parts until they will be gone...
> Good luck!
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>
>
>
> -----
> http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> --
> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 09:05:46 +0100
> From: Richard Lamont <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> On 31/08/17 22:56, Jim Brown wrote:
> > On 8/31/2017 11:35 AM, Tox wrote:
> >> I had a couple racks of APC
> >> SmartUPS 2000 units with daisychained batteries to give extended
> >> holdup to a couple of racks of telecom and server hw. No clue how RF
> >> noisy those units are, though.
> >
> > All of the APC units for which I've seen spec sheets are FCC Part 15
> > Class A (the industrial spec, ILLEGAL to sell for residential use,
> > roughly 20 dB worse than Class B).
>
> I had a SmartUPS 750, and it was very bad. Put out crud all the way from
VLF to
> VHF. I threw it away in the end. In the shack I use a much older APC
Back-UPS
> 500 for the computer, which doesn't seem to cause any problems. I've had
to

> replace the battery every 3-4 years, but that's to be expected.
>
>
> 73,
> Richard G4DYA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 20:04:58 +1000
> From: Glen Torr <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] The times they are a changin.
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Ho All,
>
> Absolutely no disrespect here, I am an extremely loyal and prolific
Elecraft

> user/builder.
>
> The KX1 and K1 are gone and the KPA 1500 is ascending.
>
> I have ordered a QRP Labs QCX, a very innovative and kit oriented radio.
>
> The mantle at the lower end has moved on.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Glen VK1FB
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 04:26:06 -0700
> From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> To: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>,
> "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Thanks for all the portable operation photos
> so far
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Wayne,
>
> These should be forwarded to Margaret and me for our promo use.
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> _..._
>
>
>
> > On Aug 29, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I?ve received so many great photos already that I won?t be able to thank
> everyone personally. But keep ?em coming.
> >
> > Clearly some folks had a lot more fun than I did this summer.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> We?re looking for photos of you, your Elecraft portable gear, and great
> outdoor locations to use in an upcoming newsletter article. We might also
use
> them on our website or in promotional literature.
> >>
> >> If you have photos you?d like to share, please send them to me
directly. I
> can?t guarantee they?ll be used now; possibly later.
> >>
> >> Please include one sentence that could be used as a caption. Extra
points for

> humor or lessons learned.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Wayne
> >> N6KR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 08:45:31 -0400
> From: Dave Sublette <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> As a former CT ? I enjoyed the web page.  Thanks for sharing.
>
> Dave, K4TO
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Chas wrote:
> >
> >> SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
> >
> > Not even remotely so...SSB technology goes back decades before WWII.
> >
> > From Wikipedia:
> >
> > "The first U.S. patent for SSB modulation was applied for on December 1,
1915
> by John Renshaw Carson. The U.S. Navy experimented with SSB over its radio
> circuits before World War I.  SSB first entered commercial service on
January 7,
> 1927 on the longwave transatlantic public radiotelephone circuit between
New

> York and London."
> >
> > Mike / KK5F
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 06:57:40 -0600
> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Spy Radio
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Google "RS-6".  I had a set many years ago.  Got them via Navy MARS as
N0SJP.

>
> 73!
>
> K0PP
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 09:09:55 -0400
> From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
> Message-ID: <004b01d32323$9e177000$da465000$@erols.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> And here I thought Art Collins invented SSB, like algore invented the
internet

> (wink-wink)
>
> Chas
>
>
> (For all who take life too seriously this WAS intended to be humorous)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Sublette
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:46 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
>
> As a former CT ? I enjoyed the web page.  Thanks for sharing.
>
> Dave, K4TO
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Chas wrote:
> >
> >> SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
> >
> > Not even remotely so...SSB technology goes back decades before WWII.
> >
> > From Wikipedia:
> >
> > "The first U.S. patent for SSB modulation was applied for on December 1,
1915
> by John Renshaw Carson. The U.S. Navy experimented with SSB over its radio
> circuits before World War I.  SSB first entered commercial service on
January 7,
> 1927 on the longwave transatlantic public radiotelephone circuit between
New

> York and London."
> >
> > Mike / KK5F
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 14:01:27 +0000
> From: "Jim Sheldon" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft Mailing List" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
> Message-ID: <em579cbec1-9311-4f9b-8f77-ef1814123ccb@jimsdesktop-pc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
>
> Naw, he just figured out a practical way to use it in smaller radios by
the
> invention of the narrow bandwidth, very steep skirted "mechanical"
> filter to lop off the unwanted sideband (if you consider the radios of
that day
> smaller - LOL).  The real use of SSB came when General LeMay of SAC
adopted it

> for their world wide HF communications network and propagation conditions
> during that time were so good that it was almost impossible NOT to
> communicate anywhere you wanted to with SSB.
>
> W0EB
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: 9/1/2017 8:09:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
>
> >And here I thought Art Collins invented SSB, like algore invented the
> >internet (wink-wink)
> >
> >Chas
> >
> >
> >(For all who take life too seriously this WAS intended to be humorous)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [hidden email]
> >[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Sublette
> >Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:46 AM
> >To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio
> >
> >As a former CT ? I enjoyed the web page.  Thanks for sharing.
> >
> >Dave, K4TO
> >>On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>Chas wrote:
> >>
> >>>SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption.
> >>
> >>Not even remotely so...SSB technology goes back decades before WWII.
> >>
> >>From Wikipedia:
> >>
> >>"The first U.S. patent for SSB modulation was applied for on December
> >>1, 1915 by John Renshaw Carson. The U.S. Navy experimented with SSB
> >>over its radio circuits before World War I.  SSB first entered
> >>commercial service on January 7, 1927 on the longwave transatlantic
> >>public radiotelephone circuit between New York and London."
> >>
> >>Mike / KK5F
> >>______________________________________________________________
> >>Elecraft mailing list
> >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 15:28:39 +0000
> From: "Jim Sheldon" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft Mailing List" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: PC Board Software request
> Message-ID: <eme3be3e80-c029-492f-bc9c-6284a816247e@jimsdesktop-pc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
>
> Anyone out there have an old copy of the "Copper Connection" PCB
> software that no longer use and are willling to part with?  Since
> Express PCB bought them out I can't find the software anymore.  I need
> something that will produce the "Gerber" files that pretty much all the
> PCB manufacturers need to do production PCB's even in limited
> quantities.
>
> Please reply off list to keep the clutter (and Eric's wrath) to a
> minimum - LOL.
>
> Jim - W0EB
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:12:11 -0400
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Thanks for all the portable operation photos
> so far
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>  For a couple of photos of the joys of playing with Elecraft radios, check
out my
> operation in the 2017 ARRL DX CW contest. The photos don't include my K3,
and
> would not likely be considered suitable for publication, but anyway:
>
> http://floridacontestgroup.org/contest-gazette/
>
> And check out page 10 of the March 2017 issue.
>
> Contesting is good when you head to the salt water!
>
> BTW, I have since discovered that the Prius, when parked with the car
"ON", will
> keep the 12 volt battery pretty well charged from the hybrid battery, with
little or

> no RFI.
>
>
> 73   -  Jim   K8MR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> To: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>; KX3
> <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 7:28 am
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Thanks for all the portable operation photos so
far
>
> Wayne,These should be forwarded to Margaret and me for our promo
> use.Ericelecraft.com_..._> On Aug 29, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Wayne Burdick
> <[hidden email]> wrote:> > I?ve received so many great photos already
that
> I won?t be able to thank everyone personally. But keep ?em coming.> >
Clearly
> some folks had a lot more fun than I did this summer. > > 73,> Wayne>
N6KR>

>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 10:32:02 -0700
> From: Phil Kane <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> On 8/31/2017 2:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> > All of the APC units for which I've seen spec sheets are FCC Part 15>
Class A

> (the industrial spec, ILLEGAL to sell for residential use,>
> roughly 20 dB worse than Class B).
>
> The spec sheets for both of my APC UPS devices (BE550R and BX1500G)
> specify FCC Part 15 Class B.
>
> > Second, a local computer guru, AE6KS, has observed that most UPS mfrs
> charge batteries at too fast a rate for good battery life.
>
> Both spec sheets show a recharge time of 16 hours.  Is that "too fast"?
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>
> >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 13:37:44 -0400
> From: Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Being there is no better place to get advice than this reflector, I am
seeking your
> recommendation.  I have an Elecraft K3, P3, KAT500 & KPA500.
>
> I want to operate somewhat portable with the K3, P3, monitor and laptop,
> buddipole on SSB and digital modes on Field day, and demonstrations on
outings
> to community events (like festivals, etc).  My options, I?m considering
are:
>
> 1) Honda 2000i gasoline generator
> 2) Yamaha EF2000iSV2 (with propane option)
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> 1) Deep Cell 12v 100amp battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> 2) Lipo battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> 2) appropriate solar power panels and controller charge for either of the
above
> battery (brand, model, adapters?)
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> +++++++++++++++++++
>
> My questions:
>  1) Is it best to go with the generator option; and if so, which of the
two choices
> above?  Any outstanding reason for this option, and choice of the two?
>  2) Is it best to go with the Battery, and solar option; why? Is there
reason to
> choose the Lipo over the Deep Cell batteries? I am concerned over the
choices
> about battery voltages and amp?s needed to operate as stated above.
>
> It?s noisy but the generator option seems on the surface much simpler for
setup.
> However, from the perspective of demonstration of Amateur Radio today, the
> solar and battery option appears to be more demonstrative of the state of
> Amateur Radio today.  Being 77 yrs old, I don?t want to get over my head
in

> technology (though I love such).
> Thanks for your thoughtful recommendations.
>        Mike, N8TTR
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 10:47:53 -0700
> From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
> Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Keep in mind that by code, a device plugged into a 15 amp circuit must
> not draw more than 12 amps continuous.
>
> When you get into the larger UPSes, they might want to charge really
> fast, but charging at a high rate and carrying the rated load will
> exceed 12 amps.
>
> So depending on the rating of the unit, and the recommended input
> circuit, some models will definitely charge slow.
>
> 16 hours is not too fast for charging.  If the UPS can't carry the load
> for ten hours, then the discharge rate is WAY TOO FAST.
>
> Most UPSes are designed to carry the load for about 15 minutes, so if
> you aren't killing the battery charging, you're killing it discharging.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 9/1/2017 10:32 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
> >> Second, a local computer guru, AE6KS, has observed that most UPS mfrs
> charge batteries at too fast a rate for good battery life.
>
> > Both spec sheets show a recharge time of 16 hours.  Is that "too fast"?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:16:46 -0700
> From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>, Elecraft K3 Yahoo
> Group <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Y-BOX Labor Day Weekend Special - Free Domestic
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> unreliable Y-Cable connections when you have multiple devices that all
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>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 18:19:08 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mel Farrer <[hidden email]>
> To: Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>, Elecraft Reflector
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> While I don't this much anymore, I would consider the generator for
situations
> where solar is not an option.
> Honda 2000i ~$1100
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> Solar is more pubic friendly albeit more ground space.Will handle your
power

> load during the day and quite a while on the battery alone.
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>
>       From: Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>
>  To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 10:54 AM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
>
> Being there is no better place to get advice than this reflector, I am
seeking your
> recommendation.? I have an Elecraft K3, P3, KAT500 & KPA500.
>
> I want to operate somewhat portable with the K3, P3, monitor and laptop,
> buddipole on SSB and digital modes on Field day, and demonstrations on
outings
> to community events (like festivals, etc).? My options, I?m considering
are:
>
> 1) Honda 2000i gasoline generator
> 2) Yamaha EF2000iSV2 (with propane option)
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> 1) Deep Cell 12v 100amp battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> 2) Lipo battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> 2) appropriate solar power panels and controller charge for either of the
above
> battery (brand, model, adapters?)
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> +++++++++++++++++++
>
> My questions:
>  1) Is it best to go with the generator option; and if so, which of the
two choices
> above?? Any outstanding reason for this option, and choice of the two?
>  2) Is it best to go with the Battery, and solar option; why? Is there
reason to
> choose the Lipo over the Deep Cell batteries? I am concerned over the
choices
> about battery voltages and amp?s needed to operate as stated above.
>
> It?s noisy but the generator option seems on the surface much simpler for
> setup.? However, from the perspective of demonstration of Amateur Radio
> today, the solar and battery option appears to be more demonstrative of
the
> state of Amateur Radio today.? Being 77 yrs old, I don?t want to get over
my

> head in technology (though I love such).
> Thanks for your thoughtful recommendations.
> ? ? ? Mike, N8TTR
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:31:57 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
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> No, that's just about ideal for battery life.
>
> 73, Jim
>
> On 9/1/2017 10:32 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
> >> Second, a local computer guru, AE6KS, has observed that most UPS mfrs
> charge batteries at too fast a rate for good battery life.
> > Both spec sheets show a recharge time of 16 hours.  Is that "too fast"?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:41:21 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
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> There's no way you're going to run a KPA500 on battery.? IMO, power amps
> are totally out of place on FD, which I've always seen as a "barefoot"
> or QRP event.
>
> We do county expeditions for QSO parties like 7QP and CQP, and run two
> or three stations, each consisting of a K3, KPA500, KAT500, and P3/SVGA.
> Each station is powered by a Honda 2000i running in Econmode. They make
> some RF noise, which must be filtered with a good multi-turn ferrite
> choke. Follow the guidelines for chokes on RG8-size cable
> (k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf), and place the choke right at the generator.
> Commercial line filters do NOT work.
>
> My neighbor W6GJB converted his 2000i to propane, and loves it. Mine is
> still burning petrol.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 9/1/2017 10:37 AM, Michael Chowning wrote:
> > Being there is no better place to get advice than this reflector, I am
seeking
> your recommendation.  I have an Elecraft K3, P3, KAT500 & KPA500.
> >
> > I want to operate somewhat portable with the K3, P3, monitor and laptop,
> buddipole on SSB and digital modes on Field day, and demonstrations on
outings
> to community events (like festivals, etc).  My options, I?m considering
are:
> >
> > 1) Honda 2000i gasoline generator
> > 2) Yamaha EF2000iSV2 (with propane option)
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > 1) Deep Cell 12v 100amp battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> > 2) Lipo battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> > 2) appropriate solar power panels and controller charge for either of
the above
> battery (brand, model, adapters?)
> >
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> +++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > My questions:
> >   1) Is it best to go with the generator option; and if so, which of the
two
> choices above?  Any outstanding reason for this option, and choice of the
two?
> >   2) Is it best to go with the Battery, and solar option; why? Is there
reason to
> choose the Lipo over the Deep Cell batteries? I am concerned over the
choices
> about battery voltages and amp?s needed to operate as stated above.
> >
> > It?s noisy but the generator option seems on the surface much simpler
for
> setup.  However, from the perspective of demonstration of Amateur Radio
> today, the solar and battery option appears to be more demonstrative of
the
> state of Amateur Radio today.  Being 77 yrs old, I don?t want to get over
my

> head in technology (though I love such).
> > Thanks for your thoughtful recommendations.
> >         Mike, N8TTR
> >
> >
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 21:11:05 +0200
> From: "Samir Popaja" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3, IF for XV144 (vhf contesting) (XV144 update?)
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> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm wondering how good the KX3 is for IF with XV144 in VHF contesting.
>
>
>
> I have use  K3 previously and now )Iwould like to have something little
> smaller but with same good performance.
>
>
>
> Little worried after I read this review:
>
> http://ve3vn.blogspot.se/2015/02/kx3-review-by-qrp-dxer-and-contester.html
>
>
>
> Is any chance for Elecraft to make (KIT UPDATE) for XV144 to use IF on
> 14MHz, the most transceivers has much better characteristic on 14MHz then
on

> 28MHz. One can choose if they want to make XV144 with 28 or 14MHz IF,
> depending on use (CW, SSB, FM).
>
>
>
> 73' Samir, sm7vzx
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 13:13:07 -0700
> From: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
> To: Michael Chowning <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Michael Chowning
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Being there is no better place to get advice than this reflector, I am
> > seeking your recommendation.  I have an Elecraft K3, P3, KAT500 &
KPA500.

> >
> > I want to operate somewhat portable with the K3, P3, monitor and laptop,
> > buddipole on SSB and digital modes on Field day, and demonstrations on
> > outings to community events (like festivals, etc).  My options, I?m
> > considering are:
> >
> > 1) Honda 2000i gasoline generator
> > 2) Yamaha EF2000iSV2 (with propane option)
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
>
> I don't use generators for field day as we are in the woods and don't want
> any noise. The inverter generators are quiet though. I have been
threatened
> that my RV generator will suffer from "Lead Poisoning" if it is run in the
> woods. It is very loud.
>
>
>
> > 1) Deep Cell 12v 100amp battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> > 2) Lipo battery (brand, model, control charger?)
> > 2) appropriate solar power panels and controller charge for either of
the

> > above battery (brand, model, adapters?)
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
>
> I use a solar system with deep cycle lead acid batteries, recently
> installed in my RV, but it was standalone. A description with specific
> models may be found on:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/marksrvmods/
>
> The RV has a large inverter for 115V. I previously used a large inverter
> standalone. Both are Xantrex, a good brand. They make some RF hash, but
> they are tamable with Ferrite cores. Some inverters are very noisy.
>
> 200W of solar panels and two 75 Amp Hour batteries will run a 100W ham
> station for field day late into the night. I have 4 batteries and 400W of
> solar panels to run the RV too. I am really keen on the flexible solar
> panels I use. They are very light and efficient. They have gotten lots of
> attention whenever I set them out. They may not be the best for a
permanent

> installation, but for quick setup and teardown they are ideal.
>
> Note that MPPT solar charge controllers are the most efficient but usually
> make lots of RF hash. I use a Morningstar PWM controller that has a bang
> bang option, that will either be on or off, no RF hash from switching. It
> does reduce the actual output of the 400W panels to 300W though.
>
> Lipo batteries do not produce the right voltage for radios. 4 Cells is too
> much, 3 cells is too little. LiFePO4 batteries do and they are safer. A 4
> cell pack runs from about 14.4 V down to 12 V at 90% discharge, which is
> ideal for remote operation. They still take special charging, sometimes
> built in to the batteries, but they are very expensive.
>
> I have a 20 Amp Hour from batteryspace,com that I use for long QRP, and I
> have a separate special charger. They also have ones with built in
charging

> / balancing circuits, but they cost more.
>
> I have two small 4s1p LiFePO4 packs from buddyrc.com for remote QRP, but
> they don't seem to sell them any more.
>
> bioennopower.com has lots of options with built in charging circuits that
> make it a little easier and they get good reviews. I could not afford to
> have the big boys be LiFePO4 though and have not bought from them. A few
> hundred Amp Hours of LiFePO4 will be in the thousands of dollars.
>
> For all these batteries, it is a good idea to monitor them and stop using
> them when they get down to about 12V. LifePO4 especially can be
permanently

> damaged if discharged too low.
>
> Good luck in whatever you choose. As you can see, there are many options
> with no "best" option for all circumstances.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 13:31:00 -0700
> From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Update on KXPD2 and KXPD3 paddles
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I have to apologize for stating that there were mod kits available for the
KXPD2
> and KXPD3 that reflect improvements we?ve made over time. Turns out that
we
> only upgrade existing units at the factory, so we can do complete testing
before
> returning them.
>
> For paddles under warranty that aren?t up to the current configuration,
we?ll
> add the upgrades on request, at no charge.
>
> For those out of warranty, we charge a flat $79 fee (plus shipping) to do
the
> upgrade. (We just reduced this from $95.)
>
> If you have an older KXPD3 you?d like to upgrade, please use the following
link to
> place the order:
>
>     http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3
>
> For older KXPD2s there will be a similar process, but it is not in place
yet. We?ll

> announce it in a week or two.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 27
> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 20:41:38 +0000
> From: "Yngvi (TF3Y)" <[hidden email]>
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth audio adapter for K3
> Message-ID:
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>
> Has anyone used a Bluetooth adapter for wireless headphones / headset with
> the K3?
>
> Any recommendations or suggestions?
> What you stay away from?
>
> 73, Yngvi TF3Y
> --
> http://www.tf3y.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:17:04 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Power for digital and Phone operation
> Message-ID:
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> Mike,
>
> In addition to the response I wrote earlier and others you have
> received, you should study the list archives. There have been many
> thoughtful and detailed posts on this topic in the last six months. I've
> made several myself.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 9/1/2017 10:37 AM, Michael Chowning wrote:
> > My questions:
> >   1) Is it best to go with the generator option; and if so, which of the
two
> choices above?  Any outstanding reason for this option, and choice of the
two?
> >   2) Is it best to go with the Battery, and solar option; why? Is there
reason to
> choose the Lipo over the Deep Cell batteries? I am concerned over the
choices

> about battery voltages and amp?s needed to operate as stated above.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 17:10:34 -0500
> From: GaryK9GS <[hidden email]>
> To: "Yngvi (TF3Y)" <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]"
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bluetooth audio adapter for K3
> Message-ID: <80.87.25924.CDAD9A95@dnvrco-omsmta02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I would like this info too.
>
>
> 73,
> Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: "Yngvi (TF3Y)" <[hidden email]>
Date:
> 9/1/17  3:41 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: [hidden email] Subject:
[Elecraft]

> Bluetooth audio adapter for K3
> Has anyone used a Bluetooth adapter for wireless headphones / headset with
> the K3?
>
> Any recommendations or suggestions?
> What you stay away from?
>
> 73, Yngvi TF3Y
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Re: Bluetooth audio adapter for K3

Dave Sublette
This idea of putting headphones and mic on Bluetooth has interested me for some time.  Looking at the page on amazon, the 366-T device looks to be a transmitter only.  That would be fine.  You could hook it to the speaker or headphone output of the radio and buy a pair of Bluetooth headphones and listen just fine.  In order to use your mic (as with an headset/mic arrangement), you would need a transmitter on your headset and another receiver on the radio, plugged into the mic jack.  To use it, you would need to put the radio on VOX.

This brings visions of after market boxes strung all over the desk and one hung on your headset.  I don’t know what the RF from the headset Tx would do to you. Do these things transmit continuously?  I would be more comfortable with the idea if they only transmitted when you were talking on the radio.

I am not up on all the latest gadgetry.  Maybe someone can educate me.

73,

Dave, K4TO
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Re: Bluetooth audio adapter for K3

Vic Rosenthal
Is there a noticeable time delay when using Bluetooth? If so, it might be a problem for monitoring CW sending (or voice, for that matter).

Vic 4X6GP

> On 2 Sep 2017, at 2:56, Dave Sublette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This idea of putting headphones and mic on Bluetooth has interested me for some time.  Looking at the page on amazon, the 366-T device looks to be a transmitter only.  That would be fine.  You could hook it to the speaker or headphone output of the radio and buy a pair of Bluetooth headphones and listen just fine.  In order to use your mic (as with an headset/mic arrangement), you would need a transmitter on your headset and another receiver on the radio, plugged into the mic jack.  To use it, you would need to put the radio on VOX.
>
> This brings visions of after market boxes strung all over the desk and one hung on your headset.  I don’t know what the RF from the headset Tx would do to you. Do these things transmit continuously?  I would be more comfortable with the idea if they only transmitted when you were talking on the radio.
>
> I am not up on all the latest gadgetry.  Maybe someone can educate me.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO
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Re: Bluetooth audio adapter for K3

Clay Autery-2
No definitive answer here for this one, but I have seen that the delays
CAN be largely minimized under the latest BT4(+) specs....  down to 20ms
or so theoretically(?)....  Some of the older standards are 200ms+... 
1/5 of a second could definitely be noticeable.

I suspect it depends largely on quality of implementation in
hardware/firmware/software... just like anything else.

Disappointed that my admittedly limited searching thusfar has not
revealed a single-box solution for what I envision is the "the"
solution....  ONE box with a breakout cable allowing one to plug the BT
xceiver into the back of a K3s at BOTH the headphone and mic jacks and
accommodate a wireless BT headset and/or earbuds+mic like the Jaybird
Bluebuds or X2 or X3 updates.  I LOVE my Jaybirds and they'd be an
excellent field option...  Heck, I'd use them for headphones here in the
shack even if I didn't need the additional isolation of over-the-ear cups.

I'd use them for SSB/FM...  Not sure about CW.... I'm just beginning to
learn code.... BUT the thought of using my Jaybirds with a KX2 in a
mountain biking or backpacking setting....  interests me.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 9/2/2017 12:13 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> Is there a noticeable time delay when using Bluetooth? If so, it might be a problem for monitoring CW sending (or voice, for that matter).
>
> Vic 4X6GP
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