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Gary NL7Y
I was offered a chair at the recent KL7RA M/M CQWW effort, so I drove  
550 miles
as quickly as possible to get set up with my K3. The other four rigs  
were all
IC-781's. I had opped locally with them during the last Solar Cycle.  
Since then,
Rich relocated and built a new station on the Kenai Peninsula to the  
south.
There's much better propagation from KL7 from that location, and his  
scores will
improve.

We put my K3 on the 80M spot feeding an Alpha 87 into a 4-square  
dipole array,
and ran it the full 48 hrs when propagation allowed without  
malfunction. Most
of the ops (7) had no major problems interfacing with the rig. Some were
skeptical at first but learned the important controls, and a minority  
just
passed it off as a one-owner radio not suitable for M/M Contesting  
due to it's
initial complexity.

The NB, and occasionally the NR, were required on a westerly heading  
due noise
re-radiation from the nearby 160M vertical. They both worked very  
well. I
adjusted the AGC slope and threshold, and we all set the filter  
offset and width
to our own needs to provide best audio. Both of my 2.7 and 2.1  
filters were used
as required. We never used the second receiver with duplicate  
filters. The
recently installed optional voice keyer worked perfectly, as did the  
VOX,
providing the adjacent station noise was compensated for by setting  
the VOX
floor in the CONFIG menu. The Manual was available for everyone to  
refer to, as
was I.

The biggest complaints and temporary problems arose from the Tap vs.  
Hold
functions (how much is each, etc.), and inadvertently touching the wrong
button(s). Nobody really got too lost, but there were some anxious  
moments as
they figured out what had happened. Most were used to bigger simpler  
radios, so
the somewhat cramped controls gave some the fits. I wished to try it  
on the more
crowed bands and in the huge pileups (especially JA's on 15), but  
that was not
to be.

What might be helpful for new ops would be a way to selectively  
enable certain
functions, and lock/disable the unneeded. Also, an "OP preference"  
control list
would be nice so one could quickly return to their favorite settings  
after
following others in the chair.

Rumor has it (second hand) that some Contesters are now shying away  
from the K3
due to it's complexity, but not necessarily it's performance. As a  
relatively
experienced owner I had no problem running what I consider to be  
excellent
radio. I've owned or operated most of the modern rigs sold in the  
last 15 years,
and find the K3 (and my IC-765) to be the best of the group.

73, Gary NL7Y


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Re: CQWW SSB observations

gdaught6
Gary wrote...

> We put my K3 on the 80M spot feeding an Alpha 87 into a 4-square  
> dipole array,
> and ran it the full 48 hrs when propagation allowed without  
> malfunction.

I worked you with a K3 and an Alpha-76, feeding either a 4-sq or a switchable pair of  
80m quads.  

> Rumor has it (second hand) that some Contesters are now shying away  
> from the K3
> due to it's complexity, but not necessarily it's performance. As a  
> relatively
> experienced owner I had no problem running what I consider to be  
> excellent
> radio. I've owned or operated most of the modern rigs sold in the  
> last 15 years,
> and find the K3 (and my IC-765) to be the best of the group.

I've never heard such a rumor.  I DO KNOW FOR SURE that several very serious
multi-op contest stations have converted to 100% K3's.

73,



George T Daughters, K6GT
CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
October 3-4, 2009


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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Mike Reublin
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Interesting comments. I've had my K3 for less than a month, and I'm not
sure I'll ever learn all there is to know about it, especially in light
of it being software defined and in a constant state of flux. That's an
item of considerable appeal for me. I don't have to wait for a new model
to have quirks in the current one fixed, or whole new features added!

I wonder if the load/save configuration function of the utility would
answer your thought about having an op preference?

73, Mike NF4L

Gary and Kathleen Pearse wrote:

> I was offered a chair at the recent KL7RA M/M CQWW effort, so I drove  
> 550 miles
> as quickly as possible to get set up with my K3. The other four rigs  
> were all
> IC-781's. I had opped locally with them during the last Solar Cycle.  
> Since then,
> Rich relocated and built a new station on the Kenai Peninsula to the  
> south.
> There's much better propagation from KL7 from that location, and his  
> scores will
> improve.
>
> We put my K3 on the 80M spot feeding an Alpha 87 into a 4-square  
> dipole array,
> and ran it the full 48 hrs when propagation allowed without  
> malfunction. Most
> of the ops (7) had no major problems interfacing with the rig. Some were
> skeptical at first but learned the important controls, and a minority  
> just
> passed it off as a one-owner radio not suitable for M/M Contesting  
> due to it's
> initial complexity.
>
> The NB, and occasionally the NR, were required on a westerly heading  
> due noise
> re-radiation from the nearby 160M vertical. They both worked very  
> well. I
> adjusted the AGC slope and threshold, and we all set the filter  
> offset and width
> to our own needs to provide best audio. Both of my 2.7 and 2.1  
> filters were used
> as required. We never used the second receiver with duplicate  
> filters. The
> recently installed optional voice keyer worked perfectly, as did the  
> VOX,
> providing the adjacent station noise was compensated for by setting  
> the VOX
> floor in the CONFIG menu. The Manual was available for everyone to  
> refer to, as
> was I.
>
> The biggest complaints and temporary problems arose from the Tap vs.  
> Hold
> functions (how much is each, etc.), and inadvertently touching the wrong
> button(s). Nobody really got too lost, but there were some anxious  
> moments as
> they figured out what had happened. Most were used to bigger simpler  
> radios, so
> the somewhat cramped controls gave some the fits. I wished to try it  
> on the more
> crowed bands and in the huge pileups (especially JA's on 15), but  
> that was not
> to be.
>
> What might be helpful for new ops would be a way to selectively  
> enable certain
> functions, and lock/disable the unneeded. Also, an "OP preference"  
> control list
> would be nice so one could quickly return to their favorite settings  
> after
> following others in the chair.
>
> Rumor has it (second hand) that some Contesters are now shying away  
> from the K3
> due to it's complexity, but not necessarily it's performance. As a  
> relatively
> experienced owner I had no problem running what I consider to be  
> excellent
> radio. I've owned or operated most of the modern rigs sold in the  
> last 15 years,
> and find the K3 (and my IC-765) to be the best of the group.
>
> 73, Gary NL7Y
>
>
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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Dick Dievendorff
Save and Restore configuration is intended to preserve those areas of
storage that are changed by the EE INIT procedure.  It includes many rig
settings. But it does not capture the entire state of the K3.

The K3 Utility Help page on Config Save describes what is and is not saved.

Things like CW memories, frequency memories, K3 macro contents, CW memories,
TCXO calibration data and RF Gain calibration data are not preserved by save
config.

Dick, K6KR


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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:37 AM
To: Gary and Kathleen Pearse
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQWW SSB observations

Interesting comments. I've had my K3 for less than a month, and I'm not
sure I'll ever learn all there is to know about it, especially in light
of it being software defined and in a constant state of flux. That's an
item of considerable appeal for me. I don't have to wait for a new model
to have quirks in the current one fixed, or whole new features added!

I wonder if the load/save configuration function of the utility would
answer your thought about having an op preference?

73, Mike NF4L

Gary and Kathleen Pearse wrote:

> I was offered a chair at the recent KL7RA M/M CQWW effort, so I drove  
> 550 miles
> as quickly as possible to get set up with my K3. The other four rigs  
> were all
> IC-781's. I had opped locally with them during the last Solar Cycle.  
> Since then,
> Rich relocated and built a new station on the Kenai Peninsula to the  
> south.
> There's much better propagation from KL7 from that location, and his  
> scores will
> improve.
>
> We put my K3 on the 80M spot feeding an Alpha 87 into a 4-square  
> dipole array,
> and ran it the full 48 hrs when propagation allowed without  
> malfunction. Most
> of the ops (7) had no major problems interfacing with the rig. Some were
> skeptical at first but learned the important controls, and a minority  
> just
> passed it off as a one-owner radio not suitable for M/M Contesting  
> due to it's
> initial complexity.
>
> The NB, and occasionally the NR, were required on a westerly heading  
> due noise
> re-radiation from the nearby 160M vertical. They both worked very  
> well. I
> adjusted the AGC slope and threshold, and we all set the filter  
> offset and width
> to our own needs to provide best audio. Both of my 2.7 and 2.1  
> filters were used
> as required. We never used the second receiver with duplicate  
> filters. The
> recently installed optional voice keyer worked perfectly, as did the  
> VOX,
> providing the adjacent station noise was compensated for by setting  
> the VOX
> floor in the CONFIG menu. The Manual was available for everyone to  
> refer to, as
> was I.
>
> The biggest complaints and temporary problems arose from the Tap vs.  
> Hold
> functions (how much is each, etc.), and inadvertently touching the wrong
> button(s). Nobody really got too lost, but there were some anxious  
> moments as
> they figured out what had happened. Most were used to bigger simpler  
> radios, so
> the somewhat cramped controls gave some the fits. I wished to try it  
> on the more
> crowed bands and in the huge pileups (especially JA's on 15), but  
> that was not
> to be.
>
> What might be helpful for new ops would be a way to selectively  
> enable certain
> functions, and lock/disable the unneeded. Also, an "OP preference"  
> control list
> would be nice so one could quickly return to their favorite settings  
> after
> following others in the chair.
>
> Rumor has it (second hand) that some Contesters are now shying away  
> from the K3
> due to it's complexity, but not necessarily it's performance. As a  
> relatively
> experienced owner I had no problem running what I consider to be  
> excellent
> radio. I've owned or operated most of the modern rigs sold in the  
> last 15 years,
> and find the K3 (and my IC-765) to be the best of the group.
>
> 73, Gary NL7Y
>
>
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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Jeffrey Maass
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> Rumor has it (second hand) that some Contesters are now
> shying away from the K3 due to it's complexity, but not
> necessarily it's performance. As a relatively experienced
> owner I had no problem running what I consider to be  
> excellent radio. I've owned or operated most of the
> modern rigs sold in the  last 15 years, and find the K3
> (and my IC-765) to be the best of the group.
>
> 73, Gary NL7Y
 
My K3 is about to make it's second trip down to the
PJ2T Contest Station, this time for the CQWW CW
contest. It's first test under "true fire" was for
CQWW 160 CW in January, where W8WTS and I finished as
the #3 Worldwide station. That's on 160 Meters from
12-degrees North of the Equator!

At PJ2T, we have four permanent stations and thirteen
transceivers either in use or as spares (seven FT-1000MP,
FT-2000, two IC-765, Omni-VI, TS-930, TS-940). Changing
direction at this point is a financial decision, as we
are not a  "deep pockets" operation.

I see the nature of the K3 as an advantage rather than
disadvantage, performance aside. If a radio needs repair
on the island, it must be carried back in someone's luggage,
repaired, and then returned to the island. When a piece
of equipment is returned to the island, there is the very
real possibility that the island's Customs folk might
charge 10% duty on it - this has happened multiple times
to us.

With a fleet of K3 radios, a stock of replacement boards
could be maintained and all the moving of radios eliminated.
Plus, if a radio *does* need returned to the USA, it weighs
much, much less and is considerably smaller than an
FT-1000MP!

Any radio seems complex until you become familiar with it.

73,  Jeff  K8ND


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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Andy Faber
Jeff,
  I agree completely.  I'm about to take my K3 to P49Y for CQWW for about
its fifth trip there.  I love taking it in a backpack.  We started that
station with FT1000's but they were so difficult to transport that we
standardized on PRO2s, but the K3 is far easier to deal with.
  And regarding the firmware updates, bear in mind that the radio has always
been usable.  I ran my first contest two years ago with firmware 0.45 or so.
It worked then, and still does, some 300 (!!) updates later.
  Hope to cu on 6 bands.
  73, andy, ae6y
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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:40 AM
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>
>> Rumor has it (second hand) that some Contesters are now
>> shying away from the K3 due to it's complexity, but not
>> necessarily it's performance. As a relatively experienced
>> owner I had no problem running what I consider to be
>> excellent radio. I've owned or operated most of the
>> modern rigs sold in the  last 15 years, and find the K3
>> (and my IC-765) to be the best of the group.
>>
>> 73, Gary NL7Y
>
> My K3 is about to make it's second trip down to the
> PJ2T Contest Station, this time for the CQWW CW
> contest. It's first test under "true fire" was for
> CQWW 160 CW in January, where W8WTS and I finished as
> the #3 Worldwide station. That's on 160 Meters from
> 12-degrees North of the Equator!
>
> At PJ2T, we have four permanent stations and thirteen
> transceivers either in use or as spares (seven FT-1000MP,
> FT-2000, two IC-765, Omni-VI, TS-930, TS-940). Changing
> direction at this point is a financial decision, as we
> are not a  "deep pockets" operation.
>
> I see the nature of the K3 as an advantage rather than
> disadvantage, performance aside. If a radio needs repair
> on the island, it must be carried back in someone's luggage,
> repaired, and then returned to the island. When a piece
> of equipment is returned to the island, there is the very
> real possibility that the island's Customs folk might
> charge 10% duty on it - this has happened multiple times
> to us.
>
> With a fleet of K3 radios, a stock of replacement boards
> could be maintained and all the moving of radios eliminated.
> Plus, if a radio *does* need returned to the USA, it weighs
> much, much less and is considerably smaller than an
> FT-1000MP!
>
> Any radio seems complex until you become familiar with it.
>
> 73,  Jeff  K8ND
>
>
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Re: CQWW SSB observations

w7aqk


>> At PJ2T, we have four permanent stations and thirteen
>> transceivers either in use or as spares (seven FT-1000MP,
>> FT-2000, two IC-765, Omni-VI, TS-930, TS-940). Changing
>> direction at this point is a financial decision, as we
>> are not a  "deep pockets" operation.

>> 73,  Jeff  K8ND

Hmmmmmmmmm!  This sounds pretty "deep pockets" to me!  With a first class
setup like that, surely you don't fly "economy" when you go down there do
you?   Just kidding!  Sounds like a heck of a nice arrangement.
Nonetheless, you could sell most, if not all, of that stuff down there, and
finance most of what you need in K3's for your 4 positions.  The K3 is so
portable, you wouldn't even have to leave them down there.  I think it's
time for your team's finance committee to have a meeting.

Dave W7AQK





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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Ken Alexander-2
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> At PJ2T, we have four permanent stations and thirteen
> transceivers either in use or as spares (seven FT-1000MP,
> FT-2000, two IC-765, Omni-VI, TS-930, TS-940). Changing
> direction at this point is a financial decision, as we
> are not a  "deep pockets" operation.

Ha!  I'm sure if I did the math I'd find I'm still paying Visa for my now 5-year-old K2, which is why I don't do the math anymore!   8-)

They're plenty deep OM.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS
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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Jeffrey Maass
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Alexander [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:00 PM
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQWW SSB observations
>
> > At PJ2T, we have four permanent stations and thirteen transceivers
> > either in use or as spares (seven FT-1000MP, FT-2000, two IC-765,
> > Omni-VI, TS-930, TS-940). Changing direction at this point is a
> > financial decision, as we are not a  "deep pockets" operation.
>
> Ha!  I'm sure if I did the math I'd find I'm still paying
> Visa for my now 5-year-old K2, which is why I don't do the
> math anymore!   8-)
>
> They're plenty deep OM.
>
> 73,
>
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
>

I guess I should make clear that PJ2T, as a club operation,
is dependant on the kindness of our members. I think that
only two of those listed radios are actually owned by the
Caribbean Contesting Consortium (CCC), the club that has
built, maintains, and operates PJ2T. All the other radios
are on loan - short term, long term, or permanent.

Most of our dues and rental money goes to maintenance
expenses. It's very costly to keep towers and antennas
standing on a cliff 37-feet above the ocean! For example,
the three towers each get re-painted with (very expensive)
2-part epoxy marine paint once per year, partly by Club
members and partly by a commercial company. It's touch
getting things done when you live 2100 miles from your
station!

73,  Jeff  K8ND


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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Ken Alexander-2
Hi Jeff,

That's OK.  I'd read about the Caribbean Contesting Consortium before and knew it was a group effort...and what an effort!

If you ever need a K2 as a backup to your backup just let me know.  My only condition is that I come with it!!

I know nothing can beat being there, but have any of you tried operating one of the rigs remotely via the internet?

73 - Ken


--- On Fri, 10/30/09, Jeff Maass <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Jeff Maass <[hidden email]>
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] CQWW SSB observations
> To: "'Ken Alexander'" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Received: Friday, October 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
>  
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Alexander [mailto:[hidden email]]
>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:00 PM
> > To: [hidden email];
> [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQWW SSB observations
> >
> > > At PJ2T, we have four permanent stations and
> thirteen transceivers
> > > either in use or as spares (seven FT-1000MP,
> FT-2000, two IC-765,
> > > Omni-VI, TS-930, TS-940). Changing direction at
> this point is a
> > > financial decision, as we are not a  "deep
> pockets" operation.
> >
> > Ha!  I'm sure if I did the math I'd find I'm
> still paying
> > Visa for my now 5-year-old K2, which is why I don't do
> the
> > math anymore!   8-)
> >
> > They're plenty deep OM.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Ken Alexander
> > VE3HLS
> >
>
> I guess I should make clear that PJ2T, as a club
> operation,
> is dependant on the kindness of our members. I think that
> only two of those listed radios are actually owned by the
> Caribbean Contesting Consortium (CCC), the club that has
> built, maintains, and operates PJ2T. All the other radios
> are on loan - short term, long term, or permanent.
>
> Most of our dues and rental money goes to maintenance
> expenses. It's very costly to keep towers and antennas
> standing on a cliff 37-feet above the ocean! For example,
> the three towers each get re-painted with (very expensive)
> 2-part epoxy marine paint once per year, partly by Club
> members and partly by a commercial company. It's touch
> getting things done when you live 2100 miles from your
> station!
>
> 73,  Jeff  K8ND
>
>
>
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Re: CQWW SSB observations

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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:37:09 -0700, [hidden email] wrote:

>I DO KNOW FOR SURE that several very serious
>multi-op contest stations have converted to 100% K3's.

YES. N6RO has been all K3s for nearly a year. Before that it was
MPs. They probably still have N6BV's Orion. W7RN had a bunch of
FT2000s. Received one K3 last month. His FT2000s are now for sale.
K6XX has a bunch of K3s. So do N6TV and W0YK. I have two.

Of the contesters I know, there are mostly guys who own and use
K3s, and there are guys who want to own one (or two). :)

The user interface of the K3 is quite well designed for contesting
and DX chasing, and easy to learn. While there have been many
software and firmware updates, nearly all are ADDING functions,
rarely fixing or changing things. My only complaints are related to
the second RX, which I still find a bit clunky to use (although
it's a spectacularly good RX), and the lack of a complete, coherent
manual for those ongoing upgrades.

73,

Jim K9YC



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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Julius Fazekas n2wn
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Rumor has it (second hand) that some Contesters are now shying away  
from the K3 due to it's complexity, but not necessarily it's performance. As a  
relatively experienced owner I had no problem running what I consider to be  
excellent radio. I've owned or operated most of the modern rigs sold in the  
last 15 years, and find the K3 (and my IC-765) to be the best of the group.


Gary,

Think there will always be some who will find the K3 complex coming from another rig, and there is a learning curve (even coming from a K2). Some just won't like it.

Judging by how many come up on the second hand market and how quickly they sell, it doesn't seem like folks are shying away from it.

Some like to tweak every setting and in a M/M or M/S that can be an issue.

Wonder if you could save user preference settings using K3_EZ? This sounds like something that should be easy to do in software.

Sounds like you had fun. See you in the CW event.

73,
Julius
Julius Fazekas
N2WN

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Re: CQWW SSB observations

Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2
During the last CQWW SSB we had my K3 aside with two 756 pro III's and an
FT2000 at PI4D.

All operators agreed that it was very easy to operate the K3 and that it was
not the most handsome of the three but nobody cared. All eyes were on the
N1MM screen and the hands on the keyboard.

Excellent performance and easy to operate filters, gain and balance between
sub and main rx. No problem for the newbies either.


The only person who cares about all the menu possibilities is me. And I do
that about once per month if a new FW release comes along. Once the menu
item is set, there is very little need to change things.

73,
Arie PA3A




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Rumor has it (second hand) that some Contesters are now shying away  
from the K3 due to it's complexity, but not necessarily it's performance. As
a  
relatively experienced owner I had no problem running what I consider to be

excellent radio. I've owned or operated most of the modern rigs sold in the

last 15 years, and find the K3 (and my IC-765) to be the best of the group.



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