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Hi ll,
Trying to set up a single lever paddle for my K3. The more I read the more confused, for some reason, it gets. Can someone assist with this hook up, do I use a stereo plug, and how do I set up the menu ?

Thanks/73's,
Bill, WB9CAC
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k6dgw

Re: CW Setup

One side is dits, other side is dahs, and the 3rd wire is the common.
If you're right-handed, you probably want the dits on the left [thumb]
and the dahs on the right [fingers]. If you're left-handed, you're sort
of on your own, I am, and I used to paddle right, have slowly migrated
left, but with a right-hand setup. None of this really matters, you can
invert the paddle sense in the menu of most Elecraft rigs.

I'm not sure but I think the dit side goes to the tip, the dah side to
the ring, and the common to the sleeve. Again, it doesn't matter, just
make sure the common is to the sleeve. You can change it in the menu.

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Bill Ellis via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi ll, Trying to set up a single lever paddle for my K3. The more I
> read the more confused, for some reason, it gets. Can someone assist
> with this hook up, do I use a stereo plug, and how do I set up the
> menu ?
>
> Thanks/73's, Bill, WB9CAC
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EricJ-2

Re: CW Setup

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K6DGW's post answers most of your questions, but I'll add a couple more
points. You have to use a stereo plug for any key plugged into an
Elecraft rig. Even straight keys and bugs with only two wires.

Also, as Fred points out, you can pretty much do whatever you want and
left handers often just stick with setting up paddles as righthanders
to. I think it's a mistake because of the symmetry in the brain. Right
hand bugs are set up with dits on the thumb and dahs on the forefinger.
Righthanders do the same with paddles for electronic keyers. Sticking to
this convention makes it easier to use someone elses rig or demos at ham
conventions with ease as they are usually set up for righthanders.

Lefthanders can do what they want, of course, and we often do because
it's our nature. But lefties should also follow the convention that the
thumb is for dits and the forefinger for dahs. Remarkably, a lefthander
who does this can sit down with a righthanded bug or paddle/keyer and
send with very little practice. That isn't just because lefthanders are
more skilled. It's that the brain easily makes the adjustment--even a
righthanders brain can handle that.

Until recently, I've always used a bug or paddle righthanded and a
straight key lefthanded because a straight key demands fine motor skills
the others don't. As I get older, I've noticed my fine motor skills
slightly degrading. So I built a lefthanded bug to see if that would
help. It did. My left hand is more precise than my right, always has
been. So after 40 years of using righthanded bugs and keyers, I switched
to my lefthand. With an evening of practice, my speed and ability was as
good as my right hand. I think my LH fist is even a little better than
my RH fist ever was, but memory is the second thing to go.

Eric KE6US

On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Bill Ellis via Elecraft wrote:

> Hi ll,
> Trying to set up a single lever paddle for my K3. The more I read the more confused, for some reason, it gets. Can someone assist with this hook up, do I use a stereo plug, and how do I set up the menu ?
>
> Thanks/73's,
> Bill, WB9CAC
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stengrevics

Re: CW Setup

Begali sent a defective cable when they delivered my straight key. So, I went out an bought a two-wire (not stereo) cable & plug from Radio Shack. Seems to work fine. Am I doing any damage?

John
WA1EAZ

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 10:38 PM, EricJ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> K6DGW's post answers most of your questions, but I'll add a couple more points. You have to use a stereo plug for any key plugged into an Elecraft rig. Even straight keys and bugs with only two wires.
>
> Also, as Fred points out, you can pretty much do whatever you want and left handers often just stick with setting up paddles as righthanders to. I think it's a mistake because of the symmetry in the brain. Right hand bugs are set up with dits on the thumb and dahs on the forefinger. Righthanders do the same with paddles for electronic keyers. Sticking to this convention makes it easier to use someone elses rig or demos at ham conventions with ease as they are usually set up for righthanders.
>
> Lefthanders can do what they want, of course, and we often do because it's our nature. But lefties should also follow the convention that the thumb is for dits and the forefinger for dahs. Remarkably, a lefthander who does this can sit down with a righthanded bug or paddle/keyer and send with very little practice. That isn't just because lefthanders are more skilled. It's that the brain easily makes the adjustment--even a righthanders brain can handle that.
>
> Until recently, I've always used a bug or paddle righthanded and a straight key lefthanded because a straight key demands fine motor skills the others don't. As I get older, I've noticed my fine motor skills slightly degrading. So I built a lefthanded bug to see if that would help. It did. My left hand is more precise than my right, always has been. So after 40 years of using righthanded bugs and keyers, I switched to my lefthand. With an evening of practice, my speed and ability was as good as my right hand. I think my LH fist is even a little better than my RH fist ever was, but memory is the second thing to go.
>
> Eric KE6US
>
>
>
>
> On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Bill Ellis via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi ll,
>> Trying to set up a single lever paddle for my K3. The more I read the more confused, for some reason, it gets. Can someone assist with this hook up, do I use a stereo plug, and how do I set up the menu ?
>>
>> Thanks/73's,
>> Bill, WB9CAC
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Don Wilhelm

Re: CW Setup

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Bill,

Single lever paddle connects the same as a dual lever paddle - left
contact to the tip and right contact to the ring. The common connects
to the sleeve. This is "standard" wiring.

Set the K3 CONFIG menu CW PADL to tip=dot for right handed operation or
tip=dah for left handed operation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/26/2016 9:00 PM, Bill Ellis via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi ll,
> Trying to set up a single lever paddle for my K3. The more I read the more confused, for some reason, it gets. Can someone assist with this hook up, do I use a stereo plug, and how do I set up the menu ?
>
>

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Don Wilhelm

Re: CW Setup

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John,

If you are plugging it into the K3 KEY jack, no harm at all.
If you are plugging into a K2, KX2 or KX3, then you must use a stereo
plug to keep the transceiver from going into transmit when you plug in
the cable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/27/2016 6:41 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> Begali sent a defective cable when they delivered my straight key. So, I went out an bought a two-wire (not stereo) cable & plug from Radio Shack. Seems to work fine. Am I doing any damage?
>
>

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Nr4c

Re: CW Setup

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Which single lever paddle. If it's similar to a Vibroflex VIBROKEYER, simple. It works just liable ant other paddle, one side is Dits and the other is Dahs. The common wire goes to the shield of the plug. One of the other two wires go to Tip and the other to Ring of the plug.
On the menu just identify which does what.

Oh yeah, it plugs into the Paddles jack.

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...nr4c. bill

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Bill Ellis via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi ll,
> Trying to set up a single lever paddle for my K3. The more I read the more confused, for some reason, it gets. Can someone assist with this hook up, do I use a stereo plug, and how do I set up the menu ?
>
> Thanks/73's,
> Bill, WB9CAC
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Barry K3NDM

Re: CW Setup

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Bill,
To make it simple, a single lever paddle works essentially like a
dual paddle one, push to one side for dots and the other for dashes. For
most operators, that is all that is needed. You will need to set the
menu item for keyer to tip=dot, or reverse if you are left handed.

If you are asking this question, iambic operation should not be your
worry at this point. Just make sure you have a cable that is 2 conductor
with a shield. One wire should go to the dot connection on the paddle
and the other to the dash side. Just make sure to note which color you
used for which. connect the dot side to the connect tip, the dash side
to the ring, and the ground to the ground on the connector. You'll be
ready to go.

Your next problem will be to get the feel, setting sending speed,
and adjusting the screws and adjustments on the paddle so it feels good
to you. Start slowly and work up.

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>Hi ll,
>Trying to set up a single lever paddle for my K3. The more I read the
>more confused, for some reason, it gets. Can someone assist with this
>hook up, do I use a stereo plug, and how do I set up the menu ?
>
>Thanks/73's,
>Bill, WB9CAC
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Re: CW Setup

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Thanks to all that assisted. I did get the paddle to operate correctly. Sometimes the answer is staring one in the face and you just don't see the solution.
Thanks/73's
Bill, WB9CACTempe, AZ

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Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 6:00 PM
Subject: CW Setup

Hi ll,
Trying to set up a single lever paddle for my K3. The more I read the more confused, for some reason, it gets. Can someone assist with this hook up, do I use a stereo plug, and how do I set up the menu ?

Thanks/73's,
Bill, WB9CAC

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Bill Frantz

Re: CW Setup

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Nick, KZ2V, a super CW op, told me that he learned to operate
paddles left handed (he is right handed) so he could write with
his right hand. I watched him operate during Field Day, and he
did indeed use the paddle left handed when the N1MN macros
weren't up to what he needed to send.

BTW, while I was listening in to the CW operations, we had an
about 9 year old girl come into the tent. She plugged her
headphones in next to mine and listened to CW operations for
quite a long time. We also had a lot of kids in the the GOTA
tent, and some 20 something operators ran our digital station
throughout the night letting this 72 year old man get some badly
needed sleep. (Thanks guys!)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/27/16 at 2:22 PM, [hidden email] (Barry LaZar) wrote:

>To make it simple, a single lever paddle works essentially like
>a dual paddle one, push to one side for dots and the other for
>dashes. For most operators, that is all that is needed. You
>will need to set the menu item for keyer to tip=dot, or reverse
>if you are left handed.
>
>If you are asking this question, iambic operation should not be
>your worry at this point. Just make sure you have a cable that
>is 2 conductor with a shield. One wire should go to the dot
>connection on the paddle and the other to the dash side. Just
>make sure to note which color you used for which. connect the
>dot side to the connect tip, the dash side to the ring, and the
>ground to the ground on the connector. You'll be ready to go.
>
>Your next problem will be to get the feel, setting sending
>speed, and adjusting the screws and adjustments on the paddle
>so it feels good to you. Start slowly and work up.

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k6dgw

Re: CW Setup

This seems to be very common among left-handed operators, I'm one, and
my left-handed Elmer explained I would learn to send right-handed so I
could write legibly in my log ... logs were a Big Deal in the earlier
50's when he was teaching me code in his dining room. The importance of
logs has declined over the years, but the pattern seems to persist.

Some years back we conducted a survey of paddlers on this list. The
survey sample was self-selected, woefully too small, and the statistical
validity of the results is approaching "none." However, just about 50%
of the responding left-handers paddled right, for various reasons,
writing in the log was a big one. Zero right-handed responders paddled
left for the same [or any] reasons.

One reason cited by southpaws for paddling north was that most of the
owners of stations where they guest op are northpaws. Being able to
paddle right can be an advantage there. It is for me at W7RN. I've
paddled with either hand for years and have two paddles, and many others
do too. Do what works for you, there is no "right" way to send Morse
code. The goal is to enjoy doing it.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 6/28/2016 3:40 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Nick, KZ2V, a super CW op, told me that he learned to operate paddles
> left handed (he is right handed) so he could write with his right hand.
> I watched him operate during Field Day, and he did indeed use the paddle
> left handed when the N1MN macros weren't up to what he needed to send.

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Alan Bloom

Re: CW Setup

> Zero right-handed responders paddled
> left for the same [or any] reasons.

Here's one. In college I was rooming with a left-handed ham about the
time I was switching from a straight key. So I learned on his
left-handed bug. To this day I can send with either hand on a bug or keyer.

Alan N1AL

On 06/28/2016 04:52 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> This seems to be very common among left-handed operators, I'm one, and
> my left-handed Elmer explained I would learn to send right-handed so I
> could write legibly in my log ... logs were a Big Deal in the earlier
> 50's when he was teaching me code in his dining room. The importance of
> logs has declined over the years, but the pattern seems to persist.
>
> Some years back we conducted a survey of paddlers on this list. The
> survey sample was self-selected, woefully too small, and the statistical
> validity of the results is approaching "none." However, just about 50%
> of the responding left-handers paddled right, for various reasons,
> writing in the log was a big one. Zero right-handed responders paddled
> left for the same [or any] reasons.
>
> One reason cited by southpaws for paddling north was that most of the
> owners of stations where they guest op are northpaws. Being able to
> paddle right can be an advantage there. It is for me at W7RN. I've
> paddled with either hand for years and have two paddles, and many others
> do too. Do what works for you, there is no "right" way to send Morse
> code. The goal is to enjoy doing it.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 6/28/2016 3:40 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> Nick, KZ2V, a super CW op, told me that he learned to operate paddles
>> left handed (he is right handed) so he could write with his right hand.
>> I watched him operate during Field Day, and he did indeed use the paddle
>> left handed when the N1MN macros weren't up to what he needed to send.
>
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Bill Frantz

Re: CW Setup

Nick, KZ2V is also right handed, but sends left handed, so he's
another. (I don't know if he can send right handed.)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/28/16 at 5:04 PM, [hidden email] (Alan Bloom) wrote:

>Here's one. In college I was rooming with a left-handed ham
>about the time I was switching from a straight key. So I
>learned on his left-handed bug. To this day I can send with
>either hand on a bug or keyer.

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The trick is winning the battle with the fourth grade teacher WHO demanded everyone write with their right hand. To this day I can sign my name with either hand and send with either one, straight or bug, but I throw and shoot right handed. We didn't have left handed rifles in my day......
Mel, K6KBE

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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Setup

Nick, KZ2V is also right handed, but sends left handed, so he's
another. (I don't know if he can send right handed.)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/28/16 at 5:04 PM, [hidden email] (Alan Bloom) wrote:

>Here's one. In college I was rooming with a left-handed ham
>about the time I was switching from a straight key. So I
>learned on his left-handed bug. To this day I can send with
>either hand on a bug or keyer.

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Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: CW Setup

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Most people can send with either hand suing a keyer.
Just make sure your thumb is making the dots.
You may not THINK you can until you try it.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Setup

Nick, KZ2V is also right handed, but sends left handed, so he's another. (I
don't know if he can send right handed.)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/28/16 at 5:04 PM, [hidden email] (Alan Bloom) wrote:

>Here's one. In college I was rooming with a left-handed ham about the
>time I was switching from a straight key. So I learned on his
>left-handed bug. To this day I can send with either hand on a bug or
>keyer.

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kevinr@coho.net

Re: CW Setup

After ten years of using CW almost daily I tried a straight key for the
first time. I was amazed at how simple it was to form characters; the
spacing was built in to me. My K2's keyer with paddles made my ears
(and muscles) sensitive to the variety of spaces we use. I can't use a
straight key for long because of wrist injuries but it is nice to know
how easy it is to use if I have to.

73,

Kevin. KD5ONS

On 6/28/2016 6:01 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

> Most people can send with either hand suing a keyer.
> Just make sure your thumb is making the dots.
> You may not THINK you can until you try it.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill
> Frantz
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:12 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Setup
>
> Nick, KZ2V is also right handed, but sends left handed, so he's another. (I
> don't know if he can send right handed.)
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 6/28/16 at 5:04 PM, [hidden email] (Alan Bloom) wrote:
>
>> Here's one. In college I was rooming with a left-handed ham about the
>> time I was switching from a straight key. So I learned on his
>> left-handed bug. To this day I can send with either hand on a bug or
>> keyer.
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geoff allsup

Re: CW Setup

In reply to this post by Charlie T, K3ICH

:-) discovered that back in the 70s - turn the paddle around backwards
under your 'wrong hand' and just go!

geoff - W1OH

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KENT TRIMBLE

Re: CW Setup

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No, Fred. The goal is to send perfect code, whether you enjoy it or not. 🤓

73,

Kent K9ZTV

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