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W7GJ, Lance

CW activation while in USB mode...

I am not sure if this is a bug or I am just doing something wrong, but I selected
the "+" option yesterday to be able to send CW while in the USB mode, and plugged
my external keyer into the KEY jack on the back of the K3. I tried it, but never
could seem to get the rig to send CW while I was in USB mode.

However, today when I started up trying to run a 6m EME sked, I found that when
the PTT line was closed by my sequencer, the K3 started transmitting immediately
and I heard a sidetone in the speaker. All while the tones from the computer also
were coming through to the mic input. It was as if the rig was trying to send a
CW carrier at the same time as SSB or something! I finally figured out that it
was nothing in the latest firmware download, but that I could get things back to
normal by changing the CW option back to "-".

Anybody have any idea what is going on? TNX and VY 73, Lance
--
Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex: WN3GPL, WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT 59834 USA
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: CW activation while in USB mode...

Lance,

Do you have your K3 set to PTT or VOX? If you have it set to PTT, then
the PTT must be closed before keying can begin - that is true whether in
CW+SSB or not.

73,
Don W3FPR

Lance Collister wrote:

> I am not sure if this is a bug or I am just doing something wrong, but I selected
> the "+" option yesterday to be able to send CW while in the USB mode, and plugged
> my external keyer into the KEY jack on the back of the K3. I tried it, but never
> could seem to get the rig to send CW while I was in USB mode.
>
> However, today when I started up trying to run a 6m EME sked, I found that when
> the PTT line was closed by my sequencer, the K3 started transmitting immediately
> and I heard a sidetone in the speaker. All while the tones from the computer also
> were coming through to the mic input. It was as if the rig was trying to send a
> CW carrier at the same time as SSB or something! I finally figured out that it
> was nothing in the latest firmware download, but that I could get things back to
> normal by changing the CW option back to "-".
>
> Anybody have any idea what is going on? TNX and VY 73, Lance
>
>

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: CW activation while in USB mode...

Lance and all,

I was mistaken (I was prompted to try it with CW+SSB).
CW in SSB seems to only work using the "hit the key" method. Once PTT
is active, it will not work at all, only the SSB inputs work.

I cannot duplicate your setup since I do not have your sequencer
controls here. Are you using TX INH as well as the PTT input to the K3
from your sequencer?

73,
Don W3FPR

Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Lance,
>
> Do you have your K3 set to PTT or VOX? If you have it set to PTT, then
> the PTT must be closed before keying can begin - that is true whether in
> CW+SSB or not.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Lance Collister wrote:
>
>> I am not sure if this is a bug or I am just doing something wrong, but I selected
>> the "+" option yesterday to be able to send CW while in the USB mode, and plugged
>> my external keyer into the KEY jack on the back of the K3. I tried it, but never
>> could seem to get the rig to send CW while I was in USB mode.
>>
>> However, today when I started up trying to run a 6m EME sked, I found that when
>> the PTT line was closed by my sequencer, the K3 started transmitting immediately
>> and I heard a sidetone in the speaker. All while the tones from the computer also
>> were coming through to the mic input. It was as if the rig was trying to send a
>> CW carrier at the same time as SSB or something! I finally figured out that it
>> was nothing in the latest firmware download, but that I could get things back to
>> normal by changing the CW option back to "-".
>>
>> Anybody have any idea what is going on? TNX and VY 73, Lance
>>
>>
>>
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W7GJ, Lance

Re: CW activation while in USB mode...

Hello Don,

Thank you very much for the clarification. I guess I just dont' have that option
available to me, since I use a sequencer to activate the PTT line of the K3.

Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Lance and all,
>
> I was mistaken (I was prompted to try it with CW+SSB).
> CW in SSB seems to only work using the "hit the key" method. Once PTT
> is active, it will not work at all, only the SSB inputs work.

Too bad for me, I guess :-(
>
> I cannot duplicate your setup since I do not have your sequencer
> controls here. Are you using TX INH as well as the PTT input to the K3
> from your sequencer?
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR

No, I am just using the sequencer to activate the K3 PTT after all the other
relays and equipment. It might have something to do with which was the grounded
side of my KEY that was inserted into the KEY jack in the back of the rig, but I
don't know for sure about that. I will try to experiment with that when I have a
chance.

Thanks very much for your clarification. Anyway, the K3 is working properly for
digital modes input in through the mic jack again now that I have opted out of the
"SSB+CW" option.

TNX and VY 73, Lance

>
> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Lance,
>>
>> Do you have your K3 set to PTT or VOX? If you have it set to PTT,
>> then the PTT must be closed before keying can begin - that is true
>> whether in CW+SSB or not.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> Lance Collister wrote:
>>
>>> I am not sure if this is a bug or I am just doing something wrong,
>>> but I selected the "+" option yesterday to be able to send CW while
>>> in the USB mode, and plugged my external keyer into the KEY jack on
>>> the back of the K3. I tried it, but never could seem to get the rig
>>> to send CW while I was in USB mode.
>>>
>>> However, today when I started up trying to run a 6m EME sked, I found
>>> that when the PTT line was closed by my sequencer, the K3 started
>>> transmitting immediately and I heard a sidetone in the speaker. All
>>> while the tones from the computer also were coming through to the mic
>>> input. It was as if the rig was trying to send a CW carrier at the
>>> same time as SSB or something! I finally figured out that it was
>>> nothing in the latest firmware download, but that I could get things
>>> back to normal by changing the CW option back to "-".
>>>
>>> Anybody have any idea what is going on? TNX and VY 73, Lance
>>>
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Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex: WN3GPL, WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT 59834 USA
QTH: DN27UB
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: CW activation while in USB mode...

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Lance,

Getting CW+SSB to work with PTT applied is "on the list", but may be
some time in coming.

Although it may not help with the current CW+SSB situation, you might
want to consider starting your sequencer with the K3 KEYOUT and use TX
INH to hold off RF until the sequencer finishes. Doing so will allow
you to begin the sequence with the normal K3 outputs rather than an
isolated 'start sequencer' signal from a footswitch or a manual switch
(i.e. normal PTT or VOX to the K3 would start the sequencer, but the K3
would not tramsmit RF until the sequencer completes).

73,
Don W3FPR

Lance Collister wrote:

> Hello Don,
>
> Thank you very much for the clarification. I guess I just dont' have that option
> available to me, since I use a sequencer to activate the PTT line of the K3.
>
> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Lance and all,
>>
>> I was mistaken (I was prompted to try it with CW+SSB).
>> CW in SSB seems to only work using the "hit the key" method. Once PTT
>> is active, it will not work at all, only the SSB inputs work.
>>
>
> Too bad for me, I guess :-(
>
>> I cannot duplicate your setup since I do not have your sequencer
>> controls here. Are you using TX INH as well as the PTT input to the K3
>> from your sequencer?
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>
> No, I am just using the sequencer to activate the K3 PTT after all the other
> relays and equipment. It might have something to do with which was the grounded
> side of my KEY that was inserted into the KEY jack in the back of the rig, but I
> don't know for sure about that. I will try to experiment with that when I have a
> chance.
>
> Thanks very much for your clarification. Anyway, the K3 is working properly for
> digital modes input in through the mic jack again now that I have opted out of the
> "SSB+CW" option.
>
> TNX and VY 73, Lance
>
>> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>> Lance,
>>>
>>> Do you have your K3 set to PTT or VOX? If you have it set to PTT,
>>> then the PTT must be closed before keying can begin - that is true
>>> whether in CW+SSB or not.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> Lance Collister wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am not sure if this is a bug or I am just doing something wrong,
>>>> but I selected the "+" option yesterday to be able to send CW while
>>>> in the USB mode, and plugged my external keyer into the KEY jack on
>>>> the back of the K3. I tried it, but never could seem to get the rig
>>>> to send CW while I was in USB mode.
>>>>
>>>> However, today when I started up trying to run a 6m EME sked, I found
>>>> that when the PTT line was closed by my sequencer, the K3 started
>>>> transmitting immediately and I heard a sidetone in the speaker. All
>>>> while the tones from the computer also were coming through to the mic
>>>> input. It was as if the rig was trying to send a CW carrier at the
>>>> same time as SSB or something! I finally figured out that it was
>>>> nothing in the latest firmware download, but that I could get things
>>>> back to normal by changing the CW option back to "-".
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have any idea what is going on? TNX and VY 73, Lance
>>>>
>>>>
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W7GJ, Lance

Re: CW activation while in USB mode...

Hi Don,

Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Lance,
>
> Getting CW+SSB to work with PTT applied is "on the list", but may be
> some time in coming.
It is encouraging to learn that the feature will eventually be available to those
of us who use footswitches and/or sequencers to enable the XMIT on the K3. I
probably won't have a need for this feature until summer Es season anyway, so I am
happy to wait on this one.

>
> Although it may not help with the current CW+SSB situation, you might
> want to consider starting your sequencer with the K3 KEYOUT and use TX
> INH to hold off RF until the sequencer finishes. Doing so will allow
> you to begin the sequence with the normal K3 outputs rather than an
> isolated 'start sequencer' signal from a footswitch or a manual switch
> (i.e. normal PTT or VOX to the K3 would start the sequencer, but the K3
> would not tramsmit RF until the sequencer completes).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR

Yes, that certainly seems like another way to do it, although somewhat indirect.
I think rather than rewire everything in the shack, I will keep the current
standard sequencer setup so I can use my IC746 on 2m EME without blowing things up.

I look forward to the updated firmware that will permit the "SSB+CW" mode while in
the PTT mode ;-) MNI TNX and VY 73, Lance

>
> Lance Collister wrote:
>> Hello Don,
>>
>> Thank you very much for the clarification. I guess I just dont' have
>> that option available to me, since I use a sequencer to activate the
>> PTT line of the K3.
>>
>> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>> Lance and all,
>>>
>>> I was mistaken (I was prompted to try it with CW+SSB).
>>> CW in SSB seems to only work using the "hit the key" method. Once
>>> PTT is active, it will not work at all, only the SSB inputs work.
>>>
>>
>> Too bad for me, I guess :-(
>>
>>> I cannot duplicate your setup since I do not have your sequencer
>>> controls here. Are you using TX INH as well as the PTT input to the
>>> K3 from your sequencer?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>
>> No, I am just using the sequencer to activate the K3 PTT after all the
>> other relays and equipment. It might have something to do with which
>> was the grounded side of my KEY that was inserted into the KEY jack in
>> the back of the rig, but I don't know for sure about that. I will try
>> to experiment with that when I have a chance.
>>
>> Thanks very much for your clarification. Anyway, the K3 is working
>> properly for digital modes input in through the mic jack again now
>> that I have opted out of the "SSB+CW" option.
>>
>> TNX and VY 73, Lance
>>
>>> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lance,
>>>>
>>>> Do you have your K3 set to PTT or VOX? If you have it set to PTT,
>>>> then the PTT must be closed before keying can begin - that is true
>>>> whether in CW+SSB or not.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>
>>>> Lance Collister wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure if this is a bug or I am just doing something wrong,
>>>>> but I selected the "+" option yesterday to be able to send CW while
>>>>> in the USB mode, and plugged my external keyer into the KEY jack on
>>>>> the back of the K3. I tried it, but never could seem to get the
>>>>> rig to send CW while I was in USB mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, today when I started up trying to run a 6m EME sked, I
>>>>> found that when the PTT line was closed by my sequencer, the K3
>>>>> started transmitting immediately and I heard a sidetone in the
>>>>> speaker. All while the tones from the computer also were coming
>>>>> through to the mic input. It was as if the rig was trying to send
>>>>> a CW carrier at the same time as SSB or something! I finally
>>>>> figured out that it was nothing in the latest firmware download,
>>>>> but that I could get things back to normal by changing the CW
>>>>> option back to "-".
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody have any idea what is going on? TNX and VY 73, Lance
>>>>>
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>>>
>>
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