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John Gaynard

CW and VOX

Yesterday, suddenly my K3 had no RF output on CW. It had been a few days
since I was on so I was kind of mystified since it worked fine last week.
The TX light was flashing, and I could hear the TX relay in the PW-1 amp
clicking. In desperation, I went to SSB mode and there was full output
power when I spoke into the MIC since obviously VOX was on in SSB mode.. I
did not consciously notice the VOX missing on the display in CW mode. I
went back to CW, and then I noticed the VOX was not displaying. I never
consciously turn off VOX but obviously I held the Band switch a bit too long
and turned off VOX during a band switch last week. I never use the QSK
option. So I experimented a little bit. I turned on VOX and QSK then I
turned off VOX, then turned off QSK, and SEMI appeared in the VFO B display
briefly for about a second. I keyed the K3 and the TX light flashed and no
RF output. Am I correct in thinking that you cannot be/should not be in
SEMI mode unless VOX is turned on. I am on firmware level 2.38. Without
VOX or QSK turned on, you should not be able to put the rig in transmit mode
by touching the key. I generally glace at the new firmware releases to see
if there are any relevant fixes I'm interested in. If not, I just choose
not to upgrade firmware. The funny thing was that I did remember to make
sure I was not in TEST mode since that essentially does the same thing.
Essentially, if VOX is off, QSK is off, and you are in CW mode, you are in
TEST mode by default. Has this been fixed in a subsequent firmware release.
It can be disconcerting to suddenly turn on the K3, get ready to chase a DX
station, only to find you have no RF output, but everything looks normal.
If in TEST mode, at least the TX symbol flashes.

John K8WDN

K3 #157

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dave.wilburn

Re: CW and VOX

Been a while since I was at that load, but I do know you cannot
transmit CW without VOX on. Several rigs I have used do this when
using their internal keyers.

What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.

According to Wayne, per mode VOX settings are in the pipeline, but are
not hear yet.

Dave Wilburn
NM4M

John Gaynard wrote:

> Yesterday, suddenly my K3 had no RF output on CW. It had been a few days
> since I was on so I was kind of mystified since it worked fine last week.
> The TX light was flashing, and I could hear the TX relay in the PW-1 amp
> clicking. In desperation, I went to SSB mode and there was full output
> power when I spoke into the MIC since obviously VOX was on in SSB mode.. I
> did not consciously notice the VOX missing on the display in CW mode. I
> went back to CW, and then I noticed the VOX was not displaying. I never
> consciously turn off VOX but obviously I held the Band switch a bit too long
> and turned off VOX during a band switch last week. I never use the QSK
> option. So I experimented a little bit. I turned on VOX and QSK then I
> turned off VOX, then turned off QSK, and SEMI appeared in the VFO B display
> briefly for about a second. I keyed the K3 and the TX light flashed and no
> RF output. Am I correct in thinking that you cannot be/should not be in
> SEMI mode unless VOX is turned on. I am on firmware level 2.38. Without
> VOX or QSK turned on, you should not be able to put the rig in transmit mode
> by touching the key. I generally glace at the new firmware releases to see
> if there are any relevant fixes I'm interested in. If not, I just choose
> not to upgrade firmware. The funny thing was that I did remember to make
> sure I was not in TEST mode since that essentially does the same thing.
> Essentially, if VOX is off, QSK is off, and you are in CW mode, you are in
> TEST mode by default. Has this been fixed in a subsequent firmware release.
> It can be disconcerting to suddenly turn on the K3, get ready to chase a DX
> station, only to find you have no RF output, but everything looks normal.
> If in TEST mode, at least the TX symbol flashes.
>
>
>
> John K8WDN
>
> K3 #157
>
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Bill W4ZV

Re: CW and VOX

In reply to this post by John Gaynard

John Gaynard wrote

Am I correct in thinking that you cannot be/should not be in
SEMI mode unless VOX is turned on. I am on firmware level 2.38. Without
VOX or QSK turned on, you should not be able to put the rig in transmit mode
by touching the key.

You CAN transmit by touching the key...IF your keyer has a PTT connection to the K3. I was tripped up by this yesterday while testing a new firmware release. I had forgotten I had connected my Winkeyer's PTT1 output to the K3 PTT In on the rear panel. I always have my foot switch connected via the front panel MIC connector using the Heil AD-1K adapter, but I had forgotten about the rear panel connection. This was with CONFIG PTT-KEY: OFF-OFF.

73, Bill W4ZV

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dave.wilburn

Re: CW and VOX

Good point, I had heard of folks using a foot switch for PTT instead
of VOX, but never tried it. Have to check that out at some point. I
just look forward to when I can force SSB Vox to always be off. Tired
of switching modes and finding out that the Vox is on when the phone
rings and the rig keys.

It is all coming down the pipe. I have really been enjoying the split
band feature. A VFO on different bands, jumping back and forth. The
rig just keeps getting better all the time.

Dave Wilburn
NM4M

Bill W4ZV wrote:

>
>
> John Gaynard wrote:
>> Am I correct in thinking that you cannot be/should not be in
>> SEMI mode unless VOX is turned on. I am on firmware level 2.38. Without
>> VOX or QSK turned on, you should not be able to put the rig in transmit
>> mode
>> by touching the key.
>>
>
> You CAN transmit by touching the key...IF your keyer has a PTT connection to
> the K3. I was tripped up by this yesterday while testing a new firmware
> release. I had forgotten I had connected my Winkeyer's PTT1 output to the
> K3 PTT In on the rear panel. I always have my foot switch connected via the
> front panel MIC connector using the Heil AD-1K adapter, but I had forgotten
> about the rear panel connection. This was with CONFIG PTT-KEY: OFF-OFF.
>
> 73, Bill W4ZV
>
> P.S. I believe Nabble has now fixed their quoted text attribution
> problems...we'll see if this post goes through correctly!
>
>
>

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: CW and VOX

In reply to this post by dave.wilburn

> What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
> SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.

Huh? My K3 maintains separate VOX status for CW and SSB. I can
(and do) leave VOX on for CW (semi break-in) and leave VOX off
(PTT operation) for SSB. The only linkage between modes is DATA
(AFSK A, DATA A), SSB, AM and FM. BTW, VOX is not available in
RTTY (FSK D).

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Wilburn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:57 AM
> To: Elecraft Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW and VOX
>
>
> Been a while since I was at that load, but I do know you cannot
> transmit CW without VOX on. Several rigs I have used do this when
> using their internal keyers.
>
> What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
> SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.
>
> According to Wayne, per mode VOX settings are in the
> pipeline, but are
> not hear yet.
>
> Dave Wilburn
> NM4M
>
> John Gaynard wrote:
> > Yesterday, suddenly my K3 had no RF output on CW. It had
> been a few
> > days since I was on so I was kind of mystified since it worked fine
> > last week. The TX light was flashing, and I could hear the
> TX relay in
> > the PW-1 amp clicking. In desperation, I went to SSB mode
> and there
> > was full output power when I spoke into the MIC since obviously VOX
> > was on in SSB mode.. I did not consciously notice the VOX
> missing on
> > the display in CW mode. I went back to CW, and then I
> noticed the VOX
> > was not displaying. I never consciously turn off VOX but
> obviously I
> > held the Band switch a bit too long and turned off VOX
> during a band
> > switch last week. I never use the QSK option. So I experimented a
> > little bit. I turned on VOX and QSK then I turned off VOX, then
> > turned off QSK, and SEMI appeared in the VFO B display briefly for
> > about a second. I keyed the K3 and the TX light flashed and no RF
> > output. Am I correct in thinking that you cannot be/should
> not be in
> > SEMI mode unless VOX is turned on. I am on firmware level 2.38.
> > Without VOX or QSK turned on, you should not be able to put
> the rig in
> > transmit mode by touching the key. I generally glace at the new
> > firmware releases to see if there are any relevant fixes I'm
> > interested in. If not, I just choose not to upgrade firmware. The
> > funny thing was that I did remember to make sure I was not in TEST
> > mode since that essentially does the same thing.
> Essentially, if VOX
> > is off, QSK is off, and you are in CW mode, you are in TEST mode by
> > default. Has this been fixed in a subsequent firmware
> release. It can
> > be disconcerting to suddenly turn on the K3, get ready to
> chase a DX
> > station, only to find you have no RF output, but everything looks
> > normal. If in TEST mode, at least the TX symbol flashes.
> >
> >
> >
> > John K8WDN
> >
> > K3 #157
> >
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dave.wilburn

Re: CW and VOX

If the rig is in Data mode, AFSK and VOX is turned on, then switch to
SSB mode VOX is on. Turn VOX off and switch back to Data mode, and
VOX is off.

I don't do FSK. I didn't do RTTY till I got the K3, and am very happy
with the AFSK. That may change one day, but I'm good for now.

I use DTR for keying from N1MM on CW contests, so don't want to mess
around with that. Have not gotten AFSK and DTR keying working in
conjunction with Logging software and MMTTY. Admittedly didn't give
it much effort, as VOX works fine.

Wayne has mentioned that independant VOX settings is on the list for
these modes, and I am happy to use it like it is now, until the
updates are made.

If there is a way to key for AFSK with MMTTY and DXLABs, or DXLABS and
WinWarbler, I would be happy to hear the setup. I just want to be
able to switch between N1MM for CW / RTTY contests (with MMTTY for the
RTTY contests) and DXLABS for casual opperating.

If there is a better RTTY software / setup that interfaces with N1MM
that makes this all easier, I am willing to give that a shot. I just
want something that I can setup and switch between my operating styles
with minimum hassle.

Dave Wilburn
NM4M

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
>> What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
>> SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.
>
> Huh? My K3 maintains separate VOX status for CW and SSB. I can
> (and do) leave VOX on for CW (semi break-in) and leave VOX off
> (PTT operation) for SSB. The only linkage between modes is DATA
> (AFSK A, DATA A), SSB, AM and FM. BTW, VOX is not available in
> RTTY (FSK D).
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Wilburn
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:57 AM
>> To: Elecraft Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW and VOX
>>
>>
>> Been a while since I was at that load, but I do know you cannot
>> transmit CW without VOX on. Several rigs I have used do this when
>> using their internal keyers.
>>
>> What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
>> SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.
>>
>> According to Wayne, per mode VOX settings are in the
>> pipeline, but are
>> not hear yet.
>>
>> Dave Wilburn
>> NM4M
>>
>> John Gaynard wrote:
>>> Yesterday, suddenly my K3 had no RF output on CW. It had
>> been a few
>>> days since I was on so I was kind of mystified since it worked fine
>>> last week. The TX light was flashing, and I could hear the
>> TX relay in
>>> the PW-1 amp clicking. In desperation, I went to SSB mode
>> and there
>>> was full output power when I spoke into the MIC since obviously VOX
>>> was on in SSB mode.. I did not consciously notice the VOX
>> missing on
>>> the display in CW mode. I went back to CW, and then I
>> noticed the VOX
>>> was not displaying. I never consciously turn off VOX but
>> obviously I
>>> held the Band switch a bit too long and turned off VOX
>> during a band
>>> switch last week. I never use the QSK option. So I experimented a
>>> little bit. I turned on VOX and QSK then I turned off VOX, then
>>> turned off QSK, and SEMI appeared in the VFO B display briefly for
>>> about a second. I keyed the K3 and the TX light flashed and no RF
>>> output. Am I correct in thinking that you cannot be/should
>> not be in
>>> SEMI mode unless VOX is turned on. I am on firmware level 2.38.
>>> Without VOX or QSK turned on, you should not be able to put
>> the rig in
>>> transmit mode by touching the key. I generally glace at the new
>>> firmware releases to see if there are any relevant fixes I'm
>>> interested in. If not, I just choose not to upgrade firmware. The
>>> funny thing was that I did remember to make sure I was not in TEST
>>> mode since that essentially does the same thing.
>> Essentially, if VOX
>>> is off, QSK is off, and you are in CW mode, you are in TEST mode by
>>> default. Has this been fixed in a subsequent firmware
>> release. It can
>>> be disconcerting to suddenly turn on the K3, get ready to
>> chase a DX
>>> station, only to find you have no RF output, but everything looks
>>> normal. If in TEST mode, at least the TX symbol flashes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John K8WDN
>>>
>>> K3 #157
>>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: CW and VOX

> If the rig is in Data mode, AFSK and VOX is turned on, then switch to
> SSB mode VOX is on. Turn VOX off and switch back to Data mode, and
> VOX is off.

That's correct but the title here is CW and VOX ...

> If there is a way to key for AFSK with MMTTY and DXLABs, or
> DXLABS and WinWarbler, I would be happy to hear the setup. I
> just want to be able to switch between N1MM for CW / RTTY
> contests (with MMTTY for the RTTY contests) and DXLABS for
> casual opperating.

I do it all the time. What interface are you using for PTT?
What interface for CAT?

Assuming you are using only a single serial port for both
control and PTT:

With DXLab/WinWarbler, set Commander for PTT on RTS
(Ports -> RTS = On to Transmit) and set WinWarbler
PTT Mode (PTT tab) to "XCVR Ctrl SW."

In N1MM simply set RTS to PTT on the radio port.

If you have two ports ...

In WinWarbler set PTT Mode = RTS and set FSK Control
(RTTY tab) to the port (other than control) that you
are using for PTT.

In N1MM, open the DI MMTTY configuration and set the
PTT (or PTT & FSK) port on the TX tab (again - set it
to the port you have selected for "Digital" in N1MM
hardware configuration).

> If there is a better RTTY software / setup that interfaces with
> N1MM that makes this all easier, I am willing to give that a shot.
> I just want something that I can setup and switch between my
> operating styles with minimum hassle.

N1MM/MMTTY and DXLab Suite/Commander/WinWarbler are extremely
simple and follow the radio seamlessly.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Wilburn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:25 AM
> To: Elecraft Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW and VOX
>
>
> If the rig is in Data mode, AFSK and VOX is turned on, then switch to
> SSB mode VOX is on. Turn VOX off and switch back to Data mode, and
> VOX is off.
>
> I don't do FSK. I didn't do RTTY till I got the K3, and am
> very happy
> with the AFSK. That may change one day, but I'm good for now.
>
> I use DTR for keying from N1MM on CW contests, so don't want to mess
> around with that. Have not gotten AFSK and DTR keying working in
> conjunction with Logging software and MMTTY. Admittedly didn't give
> it much effort, as VOX works fine.
>
> Wayne has mentioned that independant VOX settings is on the list for
> these modes, and I am happy to use it like it is now, until the
> updates are made.
>
> If there is a way to key for AFSK with MMTTY and DXLABs, or
> DXLABS and
> WinWarbler, I would be happy to hear the setup. I just want to be
> able to switch between N1MM for CW / RTTY contests (with
> MMTTY for the
> RTTY contests) and DXLABS for casual opperating.
>
> If there is a better RTTY software / setup that interfaces with N1MM
> that makes this all easier, I am willing to give that a shot. I just
> want something that I can setup and switch between my
> operating styles
> with minimum hassle.
>
> Dave Wilburn
> NM4M
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >
> >> What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
> >> SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.
> >
> > Huh? My K3 maintains separate VOX status for CW and SSB. I can
> > (and do) leave VOX on for CW (semi break-in) and leave VOX off
> > (PTT operation) for SSB. The only linkage between modes is DATA
> > (AFSK A, DATA A), SSB, AM and FM. BTW, VOX is not available in
> > RTTY (FSK D).
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> David Wilburn
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:57 AM
> >> To: Elecraft Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW and VOX
> >>
> >>
> >> Been a while since I was at that load, but I do know you cannot
> >> transmit CW without VOX on. Several rigs I have used do this when
> >> using their internal keyers.
> >>
> >> What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
> >> SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.
> >>
> >> According to Wayne, per mode VOX settings are in the
> >> pipeline, but are
> >> not hear yet.
> >>
> >> Dave Wilburn
> >> NM4M
> >>
> >> John Gaynard wrote:
> >>> Yesterday, suddenly my K3 had no RF output on CW. It had
> >> been a few
> >>> days since I was on so I was kind of mystified since it
> worked fine
> >>> last week. The TX light was flashing, and I could hear the
> >> TX relay in
> >>> the PW-1 amp clicking. In desperation, I went to SSB mode
> >> and there
> >>> was full output power when I spoke into the MIC since
> obviously VOX
> >>> was on in SSB mode.. I did not consciously notice the VOX
> >> missing on
> >>> the display in CW mode. I went back to CW, and then I
> >> noticed the VOX
> >>> was not displaying. I never consciously turn off VOX but
> >> obviously I
> >>> held the Band switch a bit too long and turned off VOX
> >> during a band
> >>> switch last week. I never use the QSK option. So I
> experimented a
> >>> little bit. I turned on VOX and QSK then I turned off VOX, then
> >>> turned off QSK, and SEMI appeared in the VFO B display
> briefly for
> >>> about a second. I keyed the K3 and the TX light flashed
> and no RF
> >>> output. Am I correct in thinking that you cannot be/should
> >> not be in
> >>> SEMI mode unless VOX is turned on. I am on firmware level 2.38.
> >>> Without VOX or QSK turned on, you should not be able to put
> >> the rig in
> >>> transmit mode by touching the key. I generally glace at the new
> >>> firmware releases to see if there are any relevant fixes I'm
> >>> interested in. If not, I just choose not to upgrade
> firmware. The
> >>> funny thing was that I did remember to make sure I was
> not in TEST
> >>> mode since that essentially does the same thing.
> >> Essentially, if VOX
> >>> is off, QSK is off, and you are in CW mode, you are in
> TEST mode by
> >>> default. Has this been fixed in a subsequent firmware
> >> release. It can
> >>> be disconcerting to suddenly turn on the K3, get ready to
> >> chase a DX
> >>> station, only to find you have no RF output, but everything looks
> >>> normal. If in TEST mode, at least the TX symbol flashes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John K8WDN
> >>>
> >>> K3 #157
> >>>
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dave.wilburn

Re: CW and VOX

You are correct, I do not have an interface. I stumbled across some
setup for N1MM when I first got the K3 that used OFF-DTR. So I have
never mucked about with that, since it was working.

What do I set the rig to? I'm not sure what the difference between
RTS-OFF and OFF-RTS is. I'll go download the latest manual and see if
I can figure that out.

I do have dual USB / serial ports available, but am only using one at
the moment. In the dual port scenario would the two serial ports on
the computer be connected to the one serial port on the rig with a
custom cable?

I was not aware that FSK could be done without a TNC or one of your boxes.

I'm going to come back to see you at some point when I try to get the
K2 and K3 to play together with SO2R. But that is down the road a bit.

Thanks again es 73

Dave Wilburn
NM4M

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dave.wilburn

Re: CW and VOX

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Oh, meant to ask, do your interfaces do ultimatic? That may be a two
bird with one stone deal.

Dave Wilburn
NM4M

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>> If the rig is in Data mode, AFSK and VOX is turned on, then switch to
>> SSB mode VOX is on. Turn VOX off and switch back to Data mode, and
>> VOX is off.
>
> That's correct but the title here is CW and VOX ...
>
>> If there is a way to key for AFSK with MMTTY and DXLABs, or
>> DXLABS and WinWarbler, I would be happy to hear the setup. I
>> just want to be able to switch between N1MM for CW / RTTY
>> contests (with MMTTY for the RTTY contests) and DXLABS for
>> casual opperating.
>
> I do it all the time. What interface are you using for PTT?
> What interface for CAT?
>
> Assuming you are using only a single serial port for both
> control and PTT:
>
> With DXLab/WinWarbler, set Commander for PTT on RTS
> (Ports -> RTS = On to Transmit) and set WinWarbler
> PTT Mode (PTT tab) to "XCVR Ctrl SW."
>
> In N1MM simply set RTS to PTT on the radio port.
>
> If you have two ports ...
>
> In WinWarbler set PTT Mode = RTS and set FSK Control
> (RTTY tab) to the port (other than control) that you
> are using for PTT.
>
> In N1MM, open the DI MMTTY configuration and set the
> PTT (or PTT & FSK) port on the TX tab (again - set it
> to the port you have selected for "Digital" in N1MM
> hardware configuration).
>
>> If there is a better RTTY software / setup that interfaces with
>> N1MM that makes this all easier, I am willing to give that a shot.
>> I just want something that I can setup and switch between my
>> operating styles with minimum hassle.
>
> N1MM/MMTTY and DXLab Suite/Commander/WinWarbler are extremely
> simple and follow the radio seamlessly.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Wilburn
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:25 AM
>> To: Elecraft Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW and VOX
>>
>>
>> If the rig is in Data mode, AFSK and VOX is turned on, then switch to
>> SSB mode VOX is on. Turn VOX off and switch back to Data mode, and
>> VOX is off.
>>
>> I don't do FSK. I didn't do RTTY till I got the K3, and am
>> very happy
>> with the AFSK. That may change one day, but I'm good for now.
>>
>> I use DTR for keying from N1MM on CW contests, so don't want to mess
>> around with that. Have not gotten AFSK and DTR keying working in
>> conjunction with Logging software and MMTTY. Admittedly didn't give
>> it much effort, as VOX works fine.
>>
>> Wayne has mentioned that independant VOX settings is on the list for
>> these modes, and I am happy to use it like it is now, until the
>> updates are made.
>>
>> If there is a way to key for AFSK with MMTTY and DXLABs, or
>> DXLABS and
>> WinWarbler, I would be happy to hear the setup. I just want to be
>> able to switch between N1MM for CW / RTTY contests (with
>> MMTTY for the
>> RTTY contests) and DXLABS for casual opperating.
>>
>> If there is a better RTTY software / setup that interfaces with N1MM
>> that makes this all easier, I am willing to give that a shot. I just
>> want something that I can setup and switch between my
>> operating styles
>> with minimum hassle.
>>
>> Dave Wilburn
>> NM4M
>>
>> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>>> What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
>>>> SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.
>>> Huh? My K3 maintains separate VOX status for CW and SSB. I can
>>> (and do) leave VOX on for CW (semi break-in) and leave VOX off
>>> (PTT operation) for SSB. The only linkage between modes is DATA
>>> (AFSK A, DATA A), SSB, AM and FM. BTW, VOX is not available in
>>> RTTY (FSK D).
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> David Wilburn
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:57 AM
>>>> To: Elecraft Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW and VOX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Been a while since I was at that load, but I do know you cannot
>>>> transmit CW without VOX on. Several rigs I have used do this when
>>>> using their internal keyers.
>>>>
>>>> What happens to me, since I use VOX in RTTY for keying, then go to
>>>> SSB, and turn VOX off, then go to CW and VOX is off.
>>>>
>>>> According to Wayne, per mode VOX settings are in the
>>>> pipeline, but are
>>>> not hear yet.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Wilburn
>>>> NM4M
>>>>
>>>> John Gaynard wrote:
>>>>> Yesterday, suddenly my K3 had no RF output on CW. It had
>>>> been a few
>>>>> days since I was on so I was kind of mystified since it
>> worked fine
>>>>> last week. The TX light was flashing, and I could hear the
>>>> TX relay in
>>>>> the PW-1 amp clicking. In desperation, I went to SSB mode
>>>> and there
>>>>> was full output power when I spoke into the MIC since
>> obviously VOX
>>>>> was on in SSB mode.. I did not consciously notice the VOX
>>>> missing on
>>>>> the display in CW mode. I went back to CW, and then I
>>>> noticed the VOX
>>>>> was not displaying. I never consciously turn off VOX but
>>>> obviously I
>>>>> held the Band switch a bit too long and turned off VOX
>>>> during a band
>>>>> switch last week. I never use the QSK option. So I
>> experimented a
>>>>> little bit. I turned on VOX and QSK then I turned off VOX, then
>>>>> turned off QSK, and SEMI appeared in the VFO B display
>> briefly for
>>>>> about a second. I keyed the K3 and the TX light flashed
>> and no RF
>>>>> output. Am I correct in thinking that you cannot be/should
>>>> not be in
>>>>> SEMI mode unless VOX is turned on. I am on firmware level 2.38.
>>>>> Without VOX or QSK turned on, you should not be able to put
>>>> the rig in
>>>>> transmit mode by touching the key. I generally glace at the new
>>>>> firmware releases to see if there are any relevant fixes I'm
>>>>> interested in. If not, I just choose not to upgrade
>> firmware. The
>>>>> funny thing was that I did remember to make sure I was
>> not in TEST
>>>>> mode since that essentially does the same thing.
>>>> Essentially, if VOX
>>>>> is off, QSK is off, and you are in CW mode, you are in
>> TEST mode by
>>>>> default. Has this been fixed in a subsequent firmware
>>>> release. It can
>>>>> be disconcerting to suddenly turn on the K3, get ready to
>>>> chase a DX
>>>>> station, only to find you have no RF output, but everything looks
>>>>> normal. If in TEST mode, at least the TX symbol flashes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John K8WDN
>>>>>
>>>>> K3 #157
>>>>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: CW and VOX

In reply to this post by dave.wilburn

> What do I set the rig to? I'm not sure what the difference
> between RTS-OFF and OFF-RTS is. I'll go download the latest
> manual and see if I can figure that out.

If you want to do only PTT via the RS-232 port you want
RTS-OFF.

There are two signals available ... the VFO B area shows
PTT - KEY (Key is CW). The options are:

Signal: PTT CW
OFF - OFF (no PTT or CW via RS-232)
RTS - OFF (PTT only via RTS)
DTR - OFF (PTT only via DTR)
OFF - RTS (CW via RTS - NO PTT)
OFF - DTR (CW via DTR - NO PTT)
RTS - DTR (PTT via RTS, CW via DTR - N1MM/WriteLog)
DTR - RTS (PTT via DTR, CW via RTS)

I would set the rig to RTS - DTR for N1MM and configure
DXLab/Commander/WinWarbler to PTT on RTS and use the "KY"
support (CW must use VOX/QSK).

> I was not aware that FSK could be done without a TNC or one
> of your boxes.

FSK can't be done without a TNC, a device like the microHAM
interface that generates FSK externally or a USB port with
the proper (EXTFSK) driver in MMTTY. The USB port requires
a transistor to convert the +/- 10V from the RS-232 port to
open collector switch closures for the FSK input of the K3.

FSK is not an absolute requirement for RTTY as you can use
AFSK (tones) if they are handled correctly.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Wilburn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:52 PM
> To: Elecraft Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW and VOX
>
>
> You are correct, I do not have an interface. I stumbled across some
> setup for N1MM when I first got the K3 that used OFF-DTR. So I have
> never mucked about with that, since it was working.
>
> What do I set the rig to? I'm not sure what the difference between
> RTS-OFF and OFF-RTS is. I'll go download the latest manual
> and see if
> I can figure that out.
>
> I do have dual USB / serial ports available, but am only using one at
> the moment. In the dual port scenario would the two serial ports on
> the computer be connected to the one serial port on the rig with a
> custom cable?
>
> I was not aware that FSK could be done without a TNC or one
> of your boxes.
>
> I'm going to come back to see you at some point when I try to get the
> K2 and K3 to play together with SO2R. But that is down the
> road a bit.
>
> Thanks again es 73
>
> Dave Wilburn
> NM4M
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >> If the rig is in Data mode, AFSK and VOX is turned on,
> then switch to
> >> SSB mode VOX is on. Turn VOX off and switch back to Data
> mode, and
> >> VOX is off.
> >
> > That's correct but the title here is CW and VOX ...
> >
> >> If there is a way to key for AFSK with MMTTY and DXLABs, or DXLABS
> >> and WinWarbler, I would be happy to hear the setup. I just want to
> >> be able to switch between N1MM for CW / RTTY contests (with MMTTY
> >> for the RTTY contests) and DXLABS for casual opperating.
> >
> > I do it all the time. What interface are you using for PTT? What
> > interface for CAT?
> >
> > Assuming you are using only a single serial port for both control
> > and PTT:
> >
> > With DXLab/WinWarbler, set Commander for PTT on RTS
> > (Ports -> RTS = On to Transmit) and set WinWarbler
> > PTT Mode (PTT tab) to "XCVR Ctrl SW."
> >
> > In N1MM simply set RTS to PTT on the radio port.
> >
> > If you have two ports ...
> >
> > In WinWarbler set PTT Mode = RTS and set FSK Control
> > (RTTY tab) to the port (other than control) that you
> > are using for PTT.
> >
> > In N1MM, open the DI MMTTY configuration and set the
> > PTT (or PTT & FSK) port on the TX tab (again - set it
> > to the port you have selected for "Digital" in N1MM
> > hardware configuration).
> >
> >> If there is a better RTTY software / setup that interfaces with
> >> N1MM that makes this all easier, I am willing to give that a shot.
> >> I just want something that I can setup and switch between my
> >> operating styles with minimum hassle.
> >
> > N1MM/MMTTY and DXLab Suite/Commander/WinWarbler are extremely simple
> > and follow the radio seamlessly.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> >
> <<SNIP>>
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