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g7vjr
Hi all,

I've just got back from YS1G, where the K3 was just perfect! Thanks again, Elecraft, for making the world's best expedition radio.

Ambient temperatures were 35C daytime, 25C night and we were right by the ocean. On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has done some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust. I am planning to change these for stainless steel screws and do a full health check inside and out on the whole radio. Anyone else got this problem or any suggestions?

73
Michael G7VJR
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Bill W4ZV

g7vjr wrote
Ambient temperatures were 35C daytime, 25C night and we were right by the ocean. On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has done some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust. I am planning to change these for stainless steel screws and do a full health check inside and out on the whole radio. Anyone else got this problem or any suggestions?
Thanks to Bob MD0CCE for his efforts on Topband!  He made quite a few guys happy in spite of the seasonal QRN at this time of the year.

I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's website:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu

P/N 96640A054
       
18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100
        $3.59 Pack

The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work (someone else please comment if not).  Unfortunately the Black-Oxide finish is not available in 3/16" stainless.  If these will work, hopefully Elecraft might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts.

73,  Bill
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KD4NUE
On the Stainless Screws, a Black Magic Marker does wonders.  

Use a piece of Styrofoam to push the screws into, and give the heads a
few coats.  

It is a renewable process that can be repeated every time they are
removed.

David
KD4NUE


>

Thanks to Bob MD0CCE for his efforts on Topband!  He made quite a few
guys happy in spite of the seasonal QRN at this time of the year.

I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's
website:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu

P/N 96640A054
       
18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide
Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100
        $3.59 Pack

The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might
work (someone else please comment if not).  Unfortunately the
Black-Oxide finish is not available in 3/16" stainless.  If these will
work, hopefully Elecraft might offer them in a small quantity as spare
parts.

73,  Bill
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w4nhj
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If you don't mind using a hex wrench/driver to tighten the screws check this
part number from McMaster 3/16" None 91253A104 6.33 per Pack of 50


Frank - W4NHJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting


>
>
>
> g7vjr wrote:
>>
>> Ambient temperatures were 35C daytime, 25C night and we were right by the
>> ocean. On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has
>> done some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust. I
>> am
>> planning to change these for stainless steel screws and do a full health
>> check inside and out on the whole radio. Anyone else got this problem or
>> any suggestions?
>>
>
> Thanks to Bob MD0CCE for his efforts on Topband!  He made quite a few guys
> happy in spite of the seasonal QRN at this time of the year.
>
> I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's
> website:
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu
>
> P/N 96640A054
>
> 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide
> Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100
> $3.59 Pack
>
> The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work
> (someone else please comment if not).  Unfortunately the Black-Oxide
> finish
> is not available in 3/16" stainless.  If these will work, hopefully
> Elecraft
> might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts.
>
> 73,  Bill
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Case-screws-rusting-tp2968823p2969712.html
> Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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David Pratt
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Bill - These have a head angle of 82 degrees rather than the 100 degrees
ones used by Elecraft.  The higher angle screws are necessary when used
with thin sheet metal. The 82 degree ones will most likely not seat
properly.  Has anyone tried them?

In a recent message, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote ...

>I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's
>website:
>
>http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu
>
>P/N 96640A054
>
>18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide
>Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100
>       $3.59 Pack
>
>The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work
>(someone else please comment if not).  Unfortunately the Black-Oxide finish
>is not available in 3/16" stainless.  If these will work, hopefully Elecraft
>might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts.

73
--
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Leeds, England, UK
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Re: Case screws rusting

Bill W4ZV
I did find some 100 degree ones on another website after I posted that so
indeed they are available.

http://www.fastener-express.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3485

*4-40 x 3/16 Flat Phil Mach. Screw Black Oxide S/S 100 Degree Qty. 100
$7.80*

73,  Bill

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM, David Pratt <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Bill - These have a head angle of 82 degrees rather than the 100 degrees
> ones used by Elecraft.  The higher angle screws are necessary when used with
> thin sheet metal. The 82 degree ones will most likely not seat properly.
>  Has anyone tried them?
>
> In a recent message, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>
>> I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's
>> website:
>>
>> http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu
>>
>> P/N 96640A054
>>
>> 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide
>> Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100
>>      $3.59 Pack
>>
>> The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work
>> (someone else please comment if not).  Unfortunately the Black-Oxide
>> finish
>> is not available in 3/16" stainless.  If these will work, hopefully
>> Elecraft
>> might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts.
>>
>
> 73
> --
> David G4DMP
> Leeds, England, UK
> ------
>
>
>
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hf4me
Will the 3/16 length be OK in ALL the cover locations?

May need to take caution for the first few people that try them that all is
in the clear for that length, or which ones aren't?  Coments here please?

Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tippett" <[hidden email]>
To: "David Pratt" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting


>I did find some 100 degree ones on another website after I posted that so
> indeed they are available.
>
> http://www.fastener-express.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3485
>
> *4-40 x 3/16 Flat Phil Mach. Screw Black Oxide S/S 100 Degree Qty. 100
> $7.80*
>
> 73,  Bill
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM, David Pratt
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> Bill - These have a head angle of 82 degrees rather than the 100 degrees
>> ones used by Elecraft.  The higher angle screws are necessary when used
>> with
>> thin sheet metal. The 82 degree ones will most likely not seat properly.
>>  Has anyone tried them?
>>
>> In a recent message, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>>
>>> I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's
>>> website:
>>>
>>> http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu
>>>
>>> P/N 96640A054
>>>
>>> 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide
>>> Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100
>>>      $3.59 Pack
>>>
>>> The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might
>>> work
>>> (someone else please comment if not).  Unfortunately the Black-Oxide
>>> finish
>>> is not available in 3/16" stainless.  If these will work, hopefully
>>> Elecraft
>>> might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts.
>>>
>>
>> 73
>> --
>> David G4DMP
>> Leeds, England, UK
>> ------
>>
>>
>>
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w4nhj
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Sorry gang, these have a head angle of 82 degrees.  Thanks to the gent that
said the K3 needed 100 degree flat heads.

Frank - W4NHJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Ross W4NHJ" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting


> If you don't mind using a hex wrench/driver to tighten the screws check
> this
> part number from McMaster 3/16" None 91253A104 6.33 per Pack of 50
>
>
> Frank - W4NHJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> g7vjr wrote:
>>>
>>> Ambient temperatures were 35C daytime, 25C night and we were right by
>>> the
>>> ocean. On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has
>>> done some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust. I
>>> am
>>> planning to change these for stainless steel screws and do a full health
>>> check inside and out on the whole radio. Anyone else got this problem or
>>> any suggestions?
>>>
>>
>> Thanks to Bob MD0CCE for his efforts on Topband!  He made quite a few
>> guys
>> happy in spite of the seasonal QRN at this time of the year.
>>
>> I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's
>> website:
>>
>> http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu
>>
>> P/N 96640A054
>>
>> 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide
>> Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100
>> $3.59 Pack
>>
>> The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might
>> work
>> (someone else please comment if not).  Unfortunately the Black-Oxide
>> finish
>> is not available in 3/16" stainless.  If these will work, hopefully
>> Elecraft
>> might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts.
>>
>> 73,  Bill
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://n2.nabble.com/Case-screws-rusting-tp2968823p2969712.html
>> Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
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David Pratt
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In a recent message, g7vjr <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has done
>some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust.

I cannot remember this ever being an issue with the K1 which uses
similar screws, nor with the pan-head screws on the K2.  The K1 is often
used for portable backpack use where moisture could be an issue. This
suggests that Elecraft could be supplying screws from an alternative
vendor for the K3.

As an alternative to the suggested stainless steel, are there any brass
100 degree countersunk screws available?  If so, they could be less
expensive.

73
--
David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK
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w7aqk
Hi All,

Wayne says he's looking into this, which would be great!
I'll tell you though, there is a big difference between just
plain old humidity and salt air!  I don't think backpacking
in damp forests will even come close to causing the problem
that just a little exposure to salt air will cause.  And if
the screws are rusting, you had better take a look-see
inside as well.

When we go to the Oregon coast during the summer, we are
only a little more than a hundred yards from the water.  I
can almost "watch" my stuff rusting and corroding right in
front of me!  Seriously, I put up a Buddipole for a couple
of days, and then took it down.  I couldn't even unscrew the
sections!  The antenna mount on my vehicle needs constant
treatment for rust and corrosion while I'm there.  Even my
tools, which are kept in a toolbox and inside the storage
area of my motorhome, get rusty and corroded.  You should
see what salt air does to chrome!

There is a product out there called "KwikLube", and it's
made by an outfit called Kwikee Products in Cottage Grove,
Oregon.  The guy who works on my motorhome up there swears
by this stuff.  There are other products out there, but he
insists this stuff does better than any of them.  It will
inhibit and/or stop rust and corrosion.  If you are going
into a salt water environment, you might want to
periodically daub a little of this on the screwheads.
Problem is, you can really protect everything that probably
needs protecting.  I also would be inclined to pull the
covers off afterward, and attend to any noticeable problems.

I was born in Oregon, but lived away from the coast.  Now I
live in the desert.  One of the big reasons the military
chose Tucson for its big aircraft storage location ("The
Boneyard"), is that they can even leave good planes out
there for years without worrying a lick about rust or
corrosion.  So, this has been a whole new experience for
me--keeping up with rust an corrosion in salt air
environments--and it can darn near be a full time job!

Dave W7AQK


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Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting


> In a recent message, g7vjr <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>>On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid
>>air has done
>>some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to
>>rust.
>
> I cannot remember this ever being an issue with the K1
> which uses
> similar screws, nor with the pan-head screws on the K2.
> The K1 is often
> used for portable backpack use where moisture could be an
> issue. This
> suggests that Elecraft could be supplying screws from an
> alternative
> vendor for the K3.
>
> As an alternative to the suggested stainless steel, are
> there any brass
> 100 degree countersunk screws available?  If so, they
> could be less
> expensive.
>
> 73
> --
> David G4DMP
> Leeds, England, UK
> ------
>
>
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Re: Case screws rusting

KENT TRIMBLE
Not being a metallurgist I have no business posting on this subject,
other than in recalling past experiences with dissimilar metals.

I specifically remember a stainless steel ball-mount quickly digesting
an aluminum bumper in the presence of everyday moisture and air.

For the price of a few screws from Elecraft (minimal if anything),
spending research effort on a few rusty screws seems to me a substantial
waste of everyone's time.

73,

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
Jefferson City, MO
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K3 xv144 vx432 question

Tom-5
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    So if one were to buy an XV144, and a XV432, could they be tied into
a K3 with a sub receiver so you can operate full duplex, to work the
satellites? I would just love to see a K3 work with SATPC32 or HRD to do
the birds.

    tom K8TB

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g7vjr
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Many thanks for the tips on the case screws.

An internal inspection shows nothing amiss so I will buy some stainless screws next time I have a chance.  

Cheers
Michael G7VJR

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Re: Case screws rusting

Terry Schieler
So, if I understand it correctly, I jumped the gun and ordered the 100
degree 4-40 x 3/16 Flat Head Phillips SS black machine screws from Fastener
Express based on info posted here, when, in fact, Wayne is saying now that
they should be 82 degree countersinks?

I'd suppose this is now the "final answer", and I'll plead for an exchange
from Fastener Express.  Correct?

Terry, W0FM

Very fast delivery from Fastener Express, by the way.  Maybe TOO fast for
this particular order.  :o)



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P.B. Christensen
> So, if I understand it correctly, I jumped the gun and ordered the 100
> degree 4-40 x 3/16 Flat Head Phillips SS black machine screws from
> Fastener
> Express based on info posted here, when, in fact, Wayne is saying now that
> they should be 82 degree countersinks?

Sounds like you and I ordered from the same supplier at the same time!  I've
used them in the past and I've been pleased with their service.

I believe their 82-degree 4-40 SS black-oxide screws only go down to 1/4".
I suspect that will still be fine but I'll be checking for any resistance
while inserting the screws.  I also ordered these in a hex socket head and
will choose one or the other after I try both.  I noticed some suppliers
even have them in a Torx style.

Paul, W9AC


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>
> I'd suppose this is now the "final answer", and I'll plead for an exchange
> from Fastener Express.  Correct?
>
> Terry, W0FM
>
> Very fast delivery from Fastener Express, by the way.  Maybe TOO fast for
> this particular order.  :o)
>
>
>
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