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Hi all,
I've just got back from YS1G, where the K3 was just perfect! Thanks again, Elecraft, for making the world's best expedition radio. Ambient temperatures were 35C daytime, 25C night and we were right by the ocean. On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has done some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust. I am planning to change these for stainless steel screws and do a full health check inside and out on the whole radio. Anyone else got this problem or any suggestions? 73 Michael G7VJR |
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Thanks to Bob MD0CCE for his efforts on Topband! He made quite a few guys happy in spite of the seasonal QRN at this time of the year. I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's website: http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu P/N 96640A054 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100 $3.59 Pack The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work (someone else please comment if not). Unfortunately the Black-Oxide finish is not available in 3/16" stainless. If these will work, hopefully Elecraft might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts. 73, Bill |
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On the Stainless Screws, a Black Magic Marker does wonders.
Use a piece of Styrofoam to push the screws into, and give the heads a few coats. It is a renewable process that can be repeated every time they are removed. David KD4NUE > Thanks to Bob MD0CCE for his efforts on Topband! He made quite a few guys happy in spite of the seasonal QRN at this time of the year. I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's website: http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu P/N 96640A054 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100 $3.59 Pack The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work (someone else please comment if not). Unfortunately the Black-Oxide finish is not available in 3/16" stainless. If these will work, hopefully Elecraft might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Case-screws-rusting-tp2968823p2969712.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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If you don't mind using a hex wrench/driver to tighten the screws check this
part number from McMaster 3/16" None 91253A104 6.33 per Pack of 50 Frank - W4NHJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting > > > > g7vjr wrote: >> >> Ambient temperatures were 35C daytime, 25C night and we were right by the >> ocean. On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has >> done some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust. I >> am >> planning to change these for stainless steel screws and do a full health >> check inside and out on the whole radio. Anyone else got this problem or >> any suggestions? >> > > Thanks to Bob MD0CCE for his efforts on Topband! He made quite a few guys > happy in spite of the seasonal QRN at this time of the year. > > I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's > website: > > http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu > > P/N 96640A054 > > 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide > Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100 > $3.59 Pack > > The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work > (someone else please comment if not). Unfortunately the Black-Oxide > finish > is not available in 3/16" stainless. If these will work, hopefully > Elecraft > might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts. > > 73, Bill > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Case-screws-rusting-tp2968823p2969712.html > Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Bill - These have a head angle of 82 degrees rather than the 100 degrees
ones used by Elecraft. The higher angle screws are necessary when used with thin sheet metal. The 82 degree ones will most likely not seat properly. Has anyone tried them? In a recent message, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote ... >I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's >website: > >http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu > >P/N 96640A054 > >18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide >Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100 > $3.59 Pack > >The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work >(someone else please comment if not). Unfortunately the Black-Oxide finish >is not available in 3/16" stainless. If these will work, hopefully Elecraft >might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts. ... [show rest of quote] 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK ------ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I did find some 100 degree ones on another website after I posted that so
indeed they are available. http://www.fastener-express.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3485 *4-40 x 3/16 Flat Phil Mach. Screw Black Oxide S/S 100 Degree Qty. 100 $7.80* 73, Bill On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM, David Pratt <[hidden email]>wrote: > Bill - These have a head angle of 82 degrees rather than the 100 degrees > ones used by Elecraft. The higher angle screws are necessary when used with > thin sheet metal. The 82 degree ones will most likely not seat properly. > Has anyone tried them? > > In a recent message, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote ... > >> I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's >> website: >> >> http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu >> >> P/N 96640A054 >> >> 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide >> Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100 >> $3.59 Pack >> >> The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might work >> (someone else please comment if not). Unfortunately the Black-Oxide >> finish >> is not available in 3/16" stainless. If these will work, hopefully >> Elecraft >> might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts. >> > > 73 > -- > David G4DMP > Leeds, England, UK > ------ > > > ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________
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Will the 3/16 length be OK in ALL the cover locations?
May need to take caution for the first few people that try them that all is in the clear for that length, or which ones aren't? Coments here please? Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tippett" <[hidden email]> To: "David Pratt" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting >I did find some 100 degree ones on another website after I posted that so > indeed they are available. > > http://www.fastener-express.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3485 > > *4-40 x 3/16 Flat Phil Mach. Screw Black Oxide S/S 100 Degree Qty. 100 > $7.80* > > 73, Bill > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM, David Pratt > <[hidden email]>wrote: > >> Bill - These have a head angle of 82 degrees rather than the 100 degrees >> ones used by Elecraft. The higher angle screws are necessary when used >> with >> thin sheet metal. The 82 degree ones will most likely not seat properly. >> Has anyone tried them? >> >> In a recent message, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote ... >> >>> I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's >>> website: >>> >>> http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu >>> >>> P/N 96640A054 >>> >>> 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide >>> Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100 >>> $3.59 Pack >>> >>> The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might >>> work >>> (someone else please comment if not). Unfortunately the Black-Oxide >>> finish >>> is not available in 3/16" stainless. If these will work, hopefully >>> Elecraft >>> might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts. >>> >> >> 73 >> -- >> David G4DMP >> Leeds, England, UK >> ------ >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Sorry gang, these have a head angle of 82 degrees. Thanks to the gent that
said the K3 needed 100 degree flat heads. Frank - W4NHJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross W4NHJ" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting > If you don't mind using a hex wrench/driver to tighten the screws check > this > part number from McMaster 3/16" None 91253A104 6.33 per Pack of 50 > > > Frank - W4NHJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting > > >> >> >> >> g7vjr wrote: >>> >>> Ambient temperatures were 35C daytime, 25C night and we were right by >>> the >>> ocean. On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has >>> done some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust. I >>> am >>> planning to change these for stainless steel screws and do a full health >>> check inside and out on the whole radio. Anyone else got this problem or >>> any suggestions? >>> >> >> Thanks to Bob MD0CCE for his efforts on Topband! He made quite a few >> guys >> happy in spite of the seasonal QRN at this time of the year. >> >> I haven't tried these myself but found the following on McMaster-Carr's >> website: >> >> http://www.mcmaster.com/#96640a054/=20zftu >> >> P/N 96640A054 >> >> 18-8 SS (Stainless Steel) Flat Head Phillips Machine Screw Black-Oxide >> Finish, 4-40 Thread, 1/4" Length, Packs of 100 >> $3.59 Pack >> >> The standard Elecraft screws are 3/16" but I believe these 1/4" might >> work >> (someone else please comment if not). Unfortunately the Black-Oxide >> finish >> is not available in 3/16" stainless. If these will work, hopefully >> Elecraft >> might offer them in a small quantity as spare parts. >> >> 73, Bill >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n2.nabble.com/Case-screws-rusting-tp2968823p2969712.html >> Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In a recent message, g7vjr <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid air has done >some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to rust. I cannot remember this ever being an issue with the K1 which uses similar screws, nor with the pan-head screws on the K2. The K1 is often used for portable backpack use where moisture could be an issue. This suggests that Elecraft could be supplying screws from an alternative vendor for the K3. As an alternative to the suggested stainless steel, are there any brass 100 degree countersunk screws available? If so, they could be less expensive. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK ------ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi All,
Wayne says he's looking into this, which would be great! I'll tell you though, there is a big difference between just plain old humidity and salt air! I don't think backpacking in damp forests will even come close to causing the problem that just a little exposure to salt air will cause. And if the screws are rusting, you had better take a look-see inside as well. When we go to the Oregon coast during the summer, we are only a little more than a hundred yards from the water. I can almost "watch" my stuff rusting and corroding right in front of me! Seriously, I put up a Buddipole for a couple of days, and then took it down. I couldn't even unscrew the sections! The antenna mount on my vehicle needs constant treatment for rust and corrosion while I'm there. Even my tools, which are kept in a toolbox and inside the storage area of my motorhome, get rusty and corroded. You should see what salt air does to chrome! There is a product out there called "KwikLube", and it's made by an outfit called Kwikee Products in Cottage Grove, Oregon. The guy who works on my motorhome up there swears by this stuff. There are other products out there, but he insists this stuff does better than any of them. It will inhibit and/or stop rust and corrosion. If you are going into a salt water environment, you might want to periodically daub a little of this on the screwheads. Problem is, you can really protect everything that probably needs protecting. I also would be inclined to pull the covers off afterward, and attend to any noticeable problems. I was born in Oregon, but lived away from the coast. Now I live in the desert. One of the big reasons the military chose Tucson for its big aircraft storage location ("The Boneyard"), is that they can even leave good planes out there for years without worrying a lick about rust or corrosion. So, this has been a whole new experience for me--keeping up with rust an corrosion in salt air environments--and it can darn near be a full time job! Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pratt" <[hidden email]> To: "g7vjr" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting > In a recent message, g7vjr <[hidden email]> wrote ... >>On returning to England I can see that the salty, humid >>air has done >>some damage to the K3, and caused the black case screws to >>rust. > > I cannot remember this ever being an issue with the K1 > which uses > similar screws, nor with the pan-head screws on the K2. > The K1 is often > used for portable backpack use where moisture could be an > issue. This > suggests that Elecraft could be supplying screws from an > alternative > vendor for the K3. > > As an alternative to the suggested stainless steel, are > there any brass > 100 degree countersunk screws available? If so, they > could be less > expensive. > > 73 > -- > David G4DMP > Leeds, England, UK > ------ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Not being a metallurgist I have no business posting on this subject,
other than in recalling past experiences with dissimilar metals. I specifically remember a stainless steel ball-mount quickly digesting an aluminum bumper in the presence of everyday moisture and air. For the price of a few screws from Elecraft (minimal if anything), spending research effort on a few rusty screws seems to me a substantial waste of everyone's time. 73, Kent Trimble, K9ZTV Jefferson City, MO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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So if one were to buy an XV144, and a XV432, could they be tied into
a K3 with a sub receiver so you can operate full duplex, to work the satellites? I would just love to see a K3 work with SATPC32 or HRD to do the birds. tom K8TB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Many thanks for the tips on the case screws.
An internal inspection shows nothing amiss so I will buy some stainless screws next time I have a chance. Cheers Michael G7VJR |
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So, if I understand it correctly, I jumped the gun and ordered the 100
degree 4-40 x 3/16 Flat Head Phillips SS black machine screws from Fastener Express based on info posted here, when, in fact, Wayne is saying now that they should be 82 degree countersinks? I'd suppose this is now the "final answer", and I'll plead for an exchange from Fastener Express. Correct? Terry, W0FM Very fast delivery from Fastener Express, by the way. Maybe TOO fast for this particular order. :o) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> So, if I understand it correctly, I jumped the gun and ordered the 100
> degree 4-40 x 3/16 Flat Head Phillips SS black machine screws from > Fastener > Express based on info posted here, when, in fact, Wayne is saying now that > they should be 82 degree countersinks? Sounds like you and I ordered from the same supplier at the same time! I've used them in the past and I've been pleased with their service. I believe their 82-degree 4-40 SS black-oxide screws only go down to 1/4". I suspect that will still be fine but I'll be checking for any resistance while inserting the screws. I also ordered these in a hex socket head and will choose one or the other after I try both. I noticed some suppliers even have them in a Torx style. Paul, W9AC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Schieler" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Case screws rusting > > I'd suppose this is now the "final answer", and I'll plead for an exchange > from Fastener Express. Correct? > > Terry, W0FM > > Very fast delivery from Fastener Express, by the way. Maybe TOO fast for > this particular order. :o) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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