Collins S-Line Comparison
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As a follow up to my earlier posting, here is a similar costing for the Collins S-Line in 1966
Unit Number Description 1966 Price 2015 Price Equivalent 75S3-C RECEIVER $705.00 $5,107.00 CW AND AM FILTERS (1 EA) $101.20 $733.00 312B-4 SPEAKER/CONSOLE $195.00 $1,413.00 32S-3 TRANSMITTER $750.00 $5,433.00 512F-2 TX POWER SUPPLY $115.00 $833.00 180S-1 ANTENNA COUPLER $640.00 $4,636.00 TOTAL Equivalent 2015 Cost $18,155.00 73 & God Bless - ken, K6CTW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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That is an interesting comparison.
It becomes even more interesting when you consider that even a KX3 can do far more for far less than anything those radios of yesteryear ever thought about. Could that be why boatanchors have become obsolete and undesirable? Ken Miller K6CTW wrote: > As a follow up to my earlier posting, here is a similar costing for the Collins S-Line in 1966 > > Unit > Number Description 1966 Price 2015 Price Equivalent > > 75S3-C RECEIVER $705.00 $5,107.00 > CW AND AM FILTERS (1 EA) $101.20 $733.00 > 312B-4 SPEAKER/CONSOLE $195.00 $1,413.00 > 32S-3 TRANSMITTER $750.00 $5,433.00 > 512F-2 TX POWER SUPPLY $115.00 $833.00 > 180S-1 ANTENNA COUPLER $640.00 $4,636.00 > > TOTAL Equivalent 2015 Cost $18,155.00 > > 73 & God Bless - ken, K6CTW > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Intriguing Ken. In fairness, the 180S-1 was not a common component of
Collins ham stations, but it's still around $13K without it. I acquired an S-3 line in the mid-60's. The only way I did it was because I was single, getting combat pay and per diem because we were TDY all the time, and I didn't have any other use for the money. Didn't see the radio until I came home. Good that I did it then ... married my wife when I came home, made a couple of kids, adopted a couple more, and that's a big reason why my Collins ham station did NOT include a 180S-1. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 4/9/2015 4:00 PM, Ken Miller K6CTW wrote: > As a follow up to my earlier posting, here is a similar costing for the Collins S-Line in 1966 > > Unit > Number Description 1966 Price 2015 Price Equivalent > > 75S3-C RECEIVER $705.00 $5,107.00 > CW AND AM FILTERS (1 EA) $101.20 $733.00 > 312B-4 SPEAKER/CONSOLE $195.00 $1,413.00 > 32S-3 TRANSMITTER $750.00 $5,433.00 > 512F-2 TX POWER SUPPLY $115.00 $833.00 > 180S-1 ANTENNA COUPLER $640.00 $4,636.00 > > TOTAL Equivalent 2015 Cost $18,155.00 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I had the good luck to be able to test a few Collins radios that
were being sold in an estate sale. There is some magic in coming into a room by the light of the vacuum tubes, having to peak the output matching network every time you change frequencies, and having AM be a natural mode. I'm glad we still have enough bandwidth available so these old radios can be used on the air. And I'm glad there are people who love them and keep them running. However, for my own operations, I'll stick to newer radios which give better performance with less care and feeding. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/9/15 at 4:31 PM, [hidden email] (bs usb) wrote: >Could that be why boatanchors have become obsolete and undesirable? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hoping I don't hijack this thread and send it off in another direction,
but I do have to comment on that statement below. In my neck of the woods, boatanchors are not "obsolete and undesirable". Many are sought out by buyers for the 'fun of restoring and operating them'. I know at least 10% of my local ham club is doing just that, and several other ham buddies and acquaintances. I take a walk through the fleamarket areas at hamfests and see many of those boatanchors being purchased. Those indeed are not "undesirable". I take that walk myself to satisfy my nostalgia - I see transmitters and receivers that I used to drool over in my younger days knowing that I could not afford them. I resist buying first because I do not have the time and commitment to restore them, but also because I know they would not perform (even after restoration) to the level I have come to expect from my K3 and KX3. I think about bring my own expanded version of the HBR-16 receiver from time to time, just to see how the selectivity of my double-tuned 85kHz 2nd IF filter really is compared with my K2 - but so far that project is still on the 'dream horizon' and may never be realized. In the meantime, the receiver sits in the attic. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/9/2015 7:31 PM, bs usb wrote: > Could that be why boatanchors have become obsolete and undesirable? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I couldn't afford an S-Line then, AND
I would not be able to afford an S-Line now. Mis dos centavos. Milt, N5IA ================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Ken Miller K6CTW Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 4:00 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] Collins S-Line Comparison As a follow up to my earlier posting, here is a similar costing for the Collins S-Line in 1966 Unit Number Description 1966 Price 2015 Price Equivalent 75S3-C RECEIVER $705.00 $5,107.00 CW AND AM FILTERS (1 EA) $101.20 $733.00 312B-4 SPEAKER/CONSOLE $195.00 $1,413.00 32S-3 TRANSMITTER $750.00 $5,433.00 512F-2 TX POWER SUPPLY $115.00 $833.00 180S-1 ANTENNA COUPLER $640.00 $4,636.00 TOTAL Equivalent 2015 Cost $18,155.00 73 & God Bless - ken, K6CTW ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4328/9496 - Release Date: 04/09/15 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Collins S-Line Comparison
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A cost comparison in electronics.
Compare the price of a colour television in the 70's (translated some current price level) and that of a modern television of today. What a difference in price and performance! Nothing special about comparing the prices of a vintage Collins and a modern transceiver :-) 73 Arie PA3A ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 09/04/2015 20:15, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I resist buying first because I do not have the time and commitment to > restore them, but also because I know they would not perform (even > after restoration) to the level I have come to expect from my K3 and KX3. I recently put my Drake R4a back on line. It was one of the top of the line receivers when I bought it in 1967. One thing I notice is how much more crowded the CW bands are. With the R4a I can tune across the band and hear signals about everywhere. With the K3, the signals are still there but there are empty gaps between them, lot of room to operated because of the higher selectivity that was probably undreamed of 50 years ago. Ken WA8JXM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In 1967, our electronics lab instructor __borrowed__ a Techtronics
oscilloscope to demonstrate in class. He said the purchase price was the same as a new Corvette. Today, I think Corvettes range from $80K to well over $100K. Ken WA8JXM On 10/04/2015 05:58, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > A cost comparison in electronics. > > Compare the price of a colour television in the 70's (translated some > current price level) and that of a modern television of today. What a > difference in price and performance! > Nothing special about comparing the prices of a vintage Collins and a > modern transceiver :-) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Apologies for this sidetracked thought.
I was born into a world of Ham Radio where Collins, National and Halicrafters sat aside everything homebrew. You get a partial vision of my first memories on my QRZ page. Of all the memories I cherish of the tube radio era is the click of the switch, the following dead silence, the anticipation, especially the anticipation and finally that whoosh of audio as the tubes warmed to that perfect moment and as with Lazarus, the radio returns to life, from the dead. It's all a 20 second play but the magnificence and permission given by the crescendo greeting of that whoosh is forever lost, except for what we now call Boat anchors. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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You can still experience the anticipation of tube warm-up time by using a "radio" that has to boot up when you turn it on.
Al W6LX >>> "...the radio returns to life, from >>> the dead." ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Please.....I hate Wind-blows
:-) On 11/04/2015 6:14 AM, "Al Lorona" <[hidden email]> wrote: > You can still experience the anticipation of tube warm-up time by using a > "radio" that has to boot up when you turn it on. > Al W6LX > > >>> "...the radio returns to life, from > >>> the dead." > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 4/10/2015 6:46 AM, WA8JXM wrote:
> I recently put my Drake R4a back on line. It was one of the top of the > line receivers when I bought it in 1967. As far as receivers go, my "first" was a one-tube super-regen that I built form plans in Boys Life magazine in 1948. No dial. HS radio club had a Hallicrafters S20R. In college I had a used HRO Jr. After college I had a Hallicrafters SX101A - the one with the full-size linear dial and the built-in 2-meter converter that I used most of the time. Took a vacation from HF for a while, but came back with a Kenwood R-7000 that I bought used from HRO 30 years ago and is still in use today monitoring non-ham HF circuits. At work we had the following installed in mobile units over time: Collins 51S-1, National HRO-500, Drake R4C, and finally a series of Watkins-Johnson rack-mounted receivers. Current Elecraft is K2. If the Kenwood dies, I will need to replace it with an equal or better receiver. The 8 MHz "filter hole" in K3 coverage would not work for me because of a need to monitor 8416.5 MHz and 8433.0 MHz (Marine Safety SITOR broadcasts). Perhaps by that time a decent HF RX would be available at a reasonable price. :) I have a pair of Ten-Tec RX320D computer-controlled synthesized HF receivers but they were intended for MF and HF broadcast reception and lack squelch and high sensitivity. So goes 63+ years of Ham Radio..... :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I can pickup signals in that range on my KX3.
73 Bill AE6JV On 4/11/15 at 5:05 PM, [hidden email] (Phil Kane) wrote: > The 8 MHz "filter hole" in K3 > coverage would not work for me because of a need to monitor 8416.5 MHz > and 8433.0 MHz (Marine Safety SITOR broadcasts). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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