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Able2fly

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Any comments on the following?

Am I out of line cross posting this?

73, Bill K3UJ

-----Original Message-----
From: george fritkin <[hidden email]>
To: TenTec_Eagle <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599

I have an Eagle and a TS590 and a pair of K3s along with 16 other transceivers
n my station, The other radios are just as new and cost many dollars more.
he only two radios I have had complements on the audio from DX stations are my
RION ll and my Eagle. The Eagle is a way under rated radio.
Actually I would rate the radios as follows......Eagle, TS590, K3. There is so
uch hype surrounding the Elecraft gear it is like a Cult
eorge, W6GF
-- On Sun, 4/24/11, k4rch <[hidden email]> wrote:
From: k4rch <[hidden email]>
ubject: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
o: [hidden email]
ate: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 11:34 AM

Wasn't the first run sold out? Wait for the QST review, then you'll see
ore comments. For me, I don't have time to write a review, I'm too busy
orking the world with my Eagle. :D

Chris, K4RCH

--- In [hidden email], "w4wfb" <w4wfb@...> wrote:
>
> It seems that the Eagle is having some difficulty. QTH.net reviews are few,
ut the reviews that are listed are very good (5/5). Perhaps the Eagle is too
xpensive and appeals to a niche market. The Kenwood 590 and the Elecraft K3
re selling the sox off their radios. I hope Ten-Tec will be able to get their
irmware straightened out. I like the total down conversion of the Eagle and
ope John Henry can get the Eagle to work smoothly in CW QSK with a linear amp.
oy W4WFB

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Jim Rogers, W4ATK

Re: Comments?

Everyone has their own opinion.

73s Jim
On Apr 24, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Bill wrote:

>
>
> Any comments on the following?
>
> Am I out of line cross posting this?
>
> 73, Bill K3UJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: george fritkin <[hidden email]>
> To: TenTec_Eagle <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 2:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
>
>
> I have an Eagle and a TS590 and a pair of K3s along with 16 other transceivers
> n my station, The other radios are just as new and cost many dollars more.
> he only two radios I have had complements on the audio from DX stations are my
> RION ll and my Eagle. The Eagle is a way under rated radio.
> Actually I would rate the radios as follows......Eagle, TS590, K3. There is so
> uch hype surrounding the Elecraft gear it is like a Cult
> eorge, W6GF
> -- On Sun, 4/24/11, k4rch <[hidden email]> wrote:
> From: k4rch <[hidden email]>
> ubject: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
> o: [hidden email]
> ate: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 11:34 AM
>
>
> Wasn't the first run sold out? Wait for the QST review, then you'll see
> ore comments. For me, I don't have time to write a review, I'm too busy
> orking the world with my Eagle. :D
>
> Chris, K4RCH
>
> --- In [hidden email], "w4wfb" <w4wfb@...> wrote:
>>
>> It seems that the Eagle is having some difficulty. QTH.net reviews are few,
> ut the reviews that are listed are very good (5/5). Perhaps the Eagle is too
> xpensive and appeals to a niche market. The Kenwood 590 and the Elecraft K3
> re selling the sox off their radios. I hope Ten-Tec will be able to get their
> irmware straightened out. I like the total down conversion of the Eagle and
> ope John Henry can get the Eagle to work smoothly in CW QSK with a linear amp.
> oy W4WFB
>
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Gary K9GS

Re: Comments?

In reply to this post by Able2fly

Well...not out of line Bill but George, W6GF is the one that bases his
opinion of transceiver selection solely on the audio reports he gets
from DX stations? If that were the case, the Collins S-Line would be
the best radio ever made (no I don't want to debate the audio
characteristics of Collins radios). I suspect that anyone that has 20
different radios is a gear collector and not a radio user. He probably
also has a whole collection of accessories like microphone eq's,
compressors, and "high end" microphones adding to the audio chain. I
suspect he never took the time to properly set up all of his radios and
probably got lucky with the Eagle, Orion II and TS-590.

To each their own and we all have different opinions on what makes a
radio "better" but I'll take a radio with receiver characteristics like
the K3 over "better sounding audio" on SSB any day.

It's a silly debate....similar to someone saying a Toyota Camry is the
best car ever made because it's blue.

On 4/24/2011 3:54 PM, Bill wrote:

>
> Any comments on the following?
>
> Am I out of line cross posting this?
>
> 73, Bill K3UJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: george fritkin<[hidden email]>
> To: TenTec_Eagle<[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 2:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
>
>
> I have an Eagle and a TS590 and a pair of K3s along with 16 other transceivers
> n my station, The other radios are just as new and cost many dollars more.
> he only two radios I have had complements on the audio from DX stations are my
> RION ll and my Eagle. The Eagle is a way under rated radio.
> Actually I would rate the radios as follows......Eagle, TS590, K3. There is so
> uch hype surrounding the Elecraft gear it is like a Cult
> eorge, W6GF
> -- On Sun, 4/24/11, k4rch<[hidden email]> wrote:
> From: k4rch<[hidden email]>
> ubject: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
> o: [hidden email]
> ate: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 11:34 AM
>
>
> Wasn't the first run sold out? Wait for the QST review, then you'll see
> ore comments. For me, I don't have time to write a review, I'm too busy
> orking the world with my Eagle. :D
>
> Chris, K4RCH
>
> --- In [hidden email], "w4wfb"<w4wfb@...> wrote:
>> It seems that the Eagle is having some difficulty. QTH.net reviews are few,
> ut the reviews that are listed are very good (5/5). Perhaps the Eagle is too
> xpensive and appeals to a niche market. The Kenwood 590 and the Elecraft K3
> re selling the sox off their radios. I hope Ten-Tec will be able to get their
> irmware straightened out. I like the total down conversion of the Eagle and
> ope John Henry can get the Eagle to work smoothly in CW QSK with a linear amp.
> oy W4WFB
>
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73,

Gary K9GS

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Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com

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David Gilbert

Re: Comments?

In reply to this post by Able2fly

Comment on what? Other than his statement about the audio he doesn't
say anything about why he rates one rig over another, so how would it be
possible to judge? And if he doesn't like the transmit audio on the K3
with all of the tailoring it allows, it's pretty obvious he doesn't know
how to set it up anyway.

I do agree that many reflector comments cross over into cult worship
territory, but that's true of any of the major selling brands.

Best to let it slide ..

73,
Dave AB7E

On 4/24/2011 1:54 PM, Bill wrote:

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Gary Gregory

Re: Comments?

I would suggest that ALL modern ERA radios have redeeming factors and the
user base will come to 'love' one and that will usually lead to overall
satisfaction.

As long as there is healthy debate on radio performance the engineers and
sales departments of all manufacturers will continue to strive to produce a
'better widget' and WE the CONSUMER are the major winner are we not?

Not too sure about 'worship' but once I got to speak the 'His Lordship' and
heard a rumour he was to get a pay rise. (Did you grant one
Wayne?)....Chuckle!

Just as a side note, I was listening to a couple of "senior citizens' who
were both retired Professional Engineers, one who was heavily involved with
TAIT electronics, and there comments on their K3's bordered on embarrassing.
Full of praise for the K3 performance on both CW and SSB and it is these
comments on 20M that are heard and listened too by many prospective
customers the manufacturers love to hear.

But your right I think Dave, best to let it slide, and get back to the
DX...using a K3 is even better than admiring one...:-)

73's to all,

Gary

On 25 April 2011 08:00, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Comment on what? Other than his statement about the audio he doesn't
> say anything about why he rates one rig over another, so how would it be
> possible to judge? And if he doesn't like the transmit audio on the K3
> with all of the tailoring it allows, it's pretty obvious he doesn't know
> how to set it up anyway.
>
> I do agree that many reflector comments cross over into cult worship
> territory, but that's true of any of the major selling brands.
>
> Best to let it slide ..
>
> 73,
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
>
> On 4/24/2011 1:54 PM, Bill wrote:
> >
> > Any comments on the following?
> >
> > Am I out of line cross posting this?
> >
> > 73, Bill K3UJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: george fritkin<[hidden email]>
> > To: TenTec_Eagle<[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 2:53 pm
> > Subject: Re: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
> >
> >
> > I have an Eagle and a TS590 and a pair of K3s along with 16 other
> transceivers
> > n my station, The other radios are just as new and cost many dollars
> more.
> > he only two radios I have had complements on the audio from DX stations
> are my
> > RION ll and my Eagle. The Eagle is a way under rated radio.
> > Actually I would rate the radios as follows......Eagle, TS590, K3. There
> is so
> > uch hype surrounding the Elecraft gear it is like a Cult
> > eorge, W6GF
> > -- On Sun, 4/24/11, k4rch<[hidden email]> wrote:
> > From: k4rch<[hidden email]>
> > ubject: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
> > o: [hidden email]
> > ate: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 11:34 AM
> >
> >
> > Wasn't the first run sold out? Wait for the QST review, then
> you'll see
> > ore comments. For me, I don't have time to write a review, I'm too busy
> > orking the world with my Eagle. :D
> >
> > Chris, K4RCH
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "w4wfb"<w4wfb@...> wrote:
> >> It seems that the Eagle is having some difficulty. QTH.net reviews are
> few,
> > ut the reviews that are listed are very good (5/5). Perhaps the Eagle is
> too
> > xpensive and appeals to a niche market. The Kenwood 590 and the Elecraft
> K3
> > re selling the sox off their radios. I hope Ten-Tec will be able to get
> their
> > irmware straightened out. I like the total down conversion of the Eagle
> and
> > ope John Henry can get the Eagle to work smoothly in CW QSK with a linear
> amp.
> > oy W4WFB
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:[hidden email]
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> >
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george fritkin

Re: Comments?

My thoughts are strictly subjective. I do not have the sophisticated equipment to evaluate radios. Besides that, the differences are rather small and almost within measurement accuracy. I just evaluated the radios strictly from an operating point of view. They are all top performers and anyone would be proud and pleased to own one.
George, W6GF

--- On Sun, 4/24/11, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Comments?
To: "David Gilbert" <[hidden email]>
Cc:
Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 3:38 PM

I would suggest that ALL modern ERA radios have redeeming factors and the
user base will come to 'love' one and that will usually lead to overall
satisfaction.

As long as there is healthy debate on radio performance the engineers and
sales departments of all manufacturers will continue to strive to produce a
'better widget' and WE the CONSUMER are the major winner are we not?

Not too sure about 'worship' but once I got to speak the 'His Lordship' and
heard a rumour he was to get a pay rise. (Did you grant one
Wayne?)....Chuckle!

Just as a side note, I was listening to a couple of "senior citizens' who
were both retired Professional Engineers, one who was heavily involved with
TAIT electronics, and there comments on their K3's bordered on embarrassing.
Full of praise for the K3 performance on both CW and SSB and it is these
comments on 20M that are heard and listened too by many prospective
customers the manufacturers love to hear.

But your right I think Dave, best to let it slide, and get back to the
DX...using a K3 is even better than admiring one...:-)

73's to all,

Gary

On 25 April 2011 08:00, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Comment on what? Other than his statement about the audio he doesn't
> say anything about why he rates one rig over another, so how would it be
> possible to judge?   And if he doesn't like the transmit audio on the K3
> with all of the tailoring it allows, it's pretty obvious he doesn't know
> how to set it up anyway.
>
> I do agree that many reflector comments cross over into cult worship
> territory, but that's true of any of the major selling brands.
>
> Best to let it slide ..
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
>
> On 4/24/2011 1:54 PM, Bill wrote:
> >
> > Any comments on the following?
> >
> > Am I out of line cross posting this?
> >
> > 73, Bill K3UJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: george fritkin<[hidden email]>
> > To: TenTec_Eagle<[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 2:53 pm
> > Subject: Re: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
> >
> >
> > I have an Eagle and a TS590 and a pair of K3s along with 16 other
> transceivers
> > n my station, The other radios are just as new and cost many dollars
> more.
> > he only two radios I have had complements on the audio from DX stations
> are my
> > RION ll and my Eagle. The Eagle is a way under rated radio.
> > Actually I would rate the radios as follows......Eagle, TS590, K3. There
> is so
> > uch hype surrounding the Elecraft gear it is like a Cult
> > eorge, W6GF
> > -- On Sun, 4/24/11, k4rch<[hidden email]> wrote:
> > From: k4rch<[hidden email]>
> > ubject: [TenTec_Eagle] Re: Eagle 599
> > o: [hidden email]
> > ate: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 11:34 AM
> >
> >
> >    Wasn't the first run sold out? Wait for the QST review, then
> you'll see
> > ore comments. For me, I don't have time to write a review, I'm too busy
> > orking the world with my Eagle. :D
> >
> > Chris, K4RCH
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "w4wfb"<w4wfb@...> wrote:
> >> It seems that the Eagle is having some difficulty. QTH.net reviews are
> few,
> > ut the reviews that are listed are very good (5/5). Perhaps the Eagle is
> too
> > xpensive and appeals to a niche market. The Kenwood 590 and the Elecraft
> K3
> > re selling the sox off their radios. I hope Ten-Tec will be able to get
> their
> > irmware straightened out. I like the total down conversion of the Eagle
> and
> > ope John Henry can get the Eagle to work smoothly in CW QSK with a linear
> amp.
> > oy W4WFB
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
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> >
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