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How does the K3 stack up against this kit:
http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1 Dan To make a difference, one must first be different. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Dunno, but it looks awful!
Chris G3SJJ Dr. Dan Swartling wrote: > How does the K3 stack up against this kit: > http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1 > > Dan > > To make a difference, one must first be different. > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Indeed it does look awful, and I'm not just talking about its
appearance. First of all is the "traditional" triple conversion architecture with all the spurious problems that implies. The roofing filter is, of course, at high IF which makes high selectivity filters very difficult if not impossible. Digital mode PC capability is an option unlike the K3. And a 10watt KIT for almost $3K, I'd be ashamed to sell such a product. Keep in mind that the 10 watt version of the K3 costs $1399. How can there be a question?! Opinionated Doug. W6JD K3/100 #23 -------------- Original message -------------- From: G3SJJ <[hidden email]> > Dunno, but it looks awful! > > Chris G3SJJ > > > > Dr. Dan Swartling wrote: > > How does the K3 stack up against this kit: > > http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1 > > > > Dan > > > > To make a difference, one must first be different. > > _______________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Post to: [hidden email] > > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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And... Where's the beef? I assumed I was just being stupid because I couldn't
find the page with the engineering details on it -- you know, the lab measurements and so on. Couldn't find it, because there isn't any. Who on earth would lay out nearly $3000 for a transceiver sight unseen, with no reputation behind it, and with no published engineering lab specifications? Is this guy kidding, or what? Bill W5WVO [hidden email] wrote: > Indeed it does look awful, and I'm not just talking about its > appearance. First of all is the "traditional" triple conversion > architecture with all the spurious problems that implies. The roofing > filter is, of course, at high IF which makes high selectivity filters > very difficult if not impossible. Digital mode PC capability is an > option unlike the K3. > And a 10watt KIT for almost $3K, I'd be ashamed to sell such a > product. > > Keep in mind that the 10 watt version of the K3 costs $1399. How > can there be a question?! > > Opinionated Doug. W6JD > K3/100 #23 > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: G3SJJ <[hidden email]> > >> Dunno, but it looks awful! >> >> Chris G3SJJ >> >> >> >> Dr. Dan Swartling wrote: >>> How does the K3 stack up against this kit: >>> http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1 >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> To make a difference, one must first be different. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: [hidden email] >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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To begin with Elecraft published all the specs of the
K3 and has put some into the amateur community to be evaluated. DZ may make their specs available, but I have not seen them and don't know where to look. This is the first time that I have heard of the DZ kit. The K3 kit seems to be more complete with the boards pre-assembled and alligned. The price of the basic EZ is about the same as the K3 fleshed out with a reasonable amount of accessories. I ordered a 100 watt K3 with antenna tuner, second receiver, a cw filter, a microphone, a recorder and a headset for about the same price as the basic EZ. I have made my commitment to a K3 and am not tempted to change my mind with what I can see of the EZ. Cookie, K5EWJ --- "Dr. Dan Swartling" <[hidden email]> wrote: > How does the K3 stack up against this kit: > http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1 > > Dan > > To make a difference, one must first be different. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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It's apparently made by Brian Wood, W0DZ in
Loveland, CO. Looked up info in Buckmaster. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I had a chance to see a DZ kit Sienna at Pacificon in October. It was
powered up and operating -- and it is a kit! I can't comment on performance or design, as I neither operated it nor examined its specifications. I am encouraged to see that there is sufficient belief in the future of Amateur radio that American companies (as well as Asian and European) are investing in product development. 2007 was a banner year for new Amateur radio transceiver introductions. These products all take many person-years to develop. In the end, we all win. 73, Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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The DZ transceiver was at Dayton two years ago. Had a booth back by the GM exhibit. As I recall their manual was an exact look a like of the old Heathkit manual. The set was a busy looking set, but with a pile of "feature/benefits" including I believe a second receiver option. Interesting the PA board picture does have a copywrite date of 2007. Glad to see they are still alive....and as Lyle says we have another American effort in the HF biz. They did have spec sheets two years ago... Let's all wish them success.... I already have my compliment of K2s ,a K3 and a big Icom .. I am DONE SHOPPING. bill At 09:17 PM 12/29/2007, Lyle Johnson wrote: >I had a chance to see a DZ kit Sienna at Pacificon in October. It >was powered up and operating -- and it is a kit! I can't comment on >performance or design, as I neither operated it nor examined its >specifications. > >I am encouraged to see that there is sufficient belief in the future >of Amateur radio that American companies (as well as Asian and >European) are investing in product development. 2007 was a banner >year for new Amateur radio transceiver introductions. These >products all take many person-years to develop. > >In the end, we all win. > >73, > >Lyle KK7P > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Lyle Johnson wrote:
>I am encouraged to see that there is sufficient belief in the future of Amateur radio >that American companies (as well as Asian and European) are investing in product development. I find it fascinating to have watched many changes in ham radio over the last 40 years. I have represented Elecraft at several hamfests, and I always get the same complaint, that no one sells kits anymore. I very easily point to the K2 and state, not true. Here in the Grand Rapids, MI area, we, like most towns, had a ham radio store, three to four decades ago. You could go down there, buy enough parts to make a 10 watt cw transmitter. Today, you can't do that. But look at all the kits out that you can look at on the Internet, find reviews about, find a forum to ask questions, and then download the manual to decide before you buy. Ham Radio is much better today than it was 40 years ago in regards to freedom of choice. And pricing? The K3/100 is right on par with the great Heath SB-101 from the 1960-70's, when you factor in government CPI adjustments. But to me, the most amazing change is the flip of what happened 30-40 years ago when the offshore equipment pushed Heath and Hallicrafters out of the picture. Within the last few years, there are 3 companies that looked at Japan, and said, "Oh ya? Watch this!" Elecraft, Ten-Tec and Flex Radio. All 3 right here in America. (cue the patriotic music!) It does make me happy to see this. I am impressed with all three companies. A good friend of mine bought the SDR-5000 and it is a great radio. I, for my reasons, chose the K3. It is a joy to be able to have the choice. I have no complaints. vy 73 Tom K8TB K3 FB53 p.s. Lyle, about that DSP. I had a friend over, and while I don't have an antenna to transmit on 160, he was listening there, and the line noise here is S6. You could here some people talking buried under the noise. I tapped the NR button, and they jumped out. My buddy sat there and tapped the NR in and out. The look in his eyes was like that of a three year old on Christmas morning. One more K3 is ordered. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 12/30/07 11:33:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes: > And pricing? The K3/100 is right on par with the great Heath SB-101 > from the 1960-70's, when you factor in government CPI adjustments. > The SB-101 was from the mid-1960s. Replaced by the SB-102. IIRC, the bare-bones SB-101 kit cost $360 less shipping 40 years ago. That works out to $2160 today, adjusted for inflation. What you got was a good basic 100 watt SSB/CW transceiver that covered 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 meters. No RIT, no AGC choice, no noise blanker, no memories, no keyer, no sidetone on SSB, no built-in speaker, no ATU, no general coverage, no WARC bands, no second rx, etc. You could add one optional four-pole filter for CW ($22 then, $132 now), and a second VFO ($100 then, $600 now) could be added externally. Some years later, an external digital readout became available, for $180 IIRC (works out to about $900 today...). Of course both the SB-101 and K3 need power supplies if you want to run them from AC power. But the SB-101 also needed a power supply to run from 13.8 volts DC. And as much as I am a fan of Heath gear, the SB-101 was in no way competition grade. Not compared to rigs like the Drake twins, or the Collins S-line, whose receivers alone, with no options, cost much more than the SB-101. > But to me, the most amazing change is the flip of what happened > 30-40 years ago when the offshore equipment pushed Heath and > Hallicrafters out of the picture. > > Within the last few years, there are 3 companies that looked at > Japan, and said, "Oh ya? Watch this!" > > Elecraft, Ten-Tec and Flex Radio. All 3 right here in America. (cue > the patriotic music!) > Actually, Ten-Tec appeared in the late 1960s, with simple QRP rigs. By the 1980s they were making general-purpose HF transceivers like the Omni and Corsair. IMHO, it was Ten-Tec that pushed amateur HF transceiver design towards better CW performance. Before TT got into the act, manufactured HF transceivers were designed for SSB and had CW added as an afterthought. Nobody offered a transceiver with true QSK before TT did so. And it was Ten Tec that first pushed QRP out of the super-simple class. > It does make me happy to see this. I am impressed with all three > companies. A good friend of mine bought the SDR-5000 and it is a great > radio. I, for my reasons, chose the K3. It is a joy to be able to have > the choice. > Consider the choices in new ham rigs available in 1967 and the choices available now. And what they cost. Good times then - and good times now. 73 de Jim, N2EY ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hello Tom!
> p.s. Lyle, about that DSP. I had a friend over, and while I don't have > an antenna to transmit on 160, he was listening there, and the line > noise here is S6. You could here some people talking buried under the > noise. I tapped the NR button, and they jumped out. My buddy sat there > and tapped the NR in and out. The look in his eyes was like that of a > three year old on Christmas morning. One more K3 is ordered. Anecdotes like this are part of what keeps us going. Thank you! And have a gr8 '08! 73, Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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