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DATA A Reverse? AFSK A Reverse etc?

tomb18
Can someone explain exactly what the " Reverse" functions is?
I understand how it is used for CW but for all the data modes?
DATA A, PSK D, AFSK A, and FSK D can all be set as reverse.

Thanks, Tom VA2FSQ
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Re: DATA A Reverse? AFSK A Reverse etc?

Matt Zilmer
LSB (REV) instead of USB (NORMAL).

73,
matt W6NIA

On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:52:40 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Can someone explain exactly what the " Reverse" functions is?
>I understand how it is used for CW but for all the data modes?
>DATA A, PSK D, AFSK A, and FSK D can all be set as reverse.
>
>Thanks, Tom VA2FSQ
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Re: DATA A Reverse? AFSK A Reverse etc?

Don Wilhelm-4
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Tom,

For PSK the use of the upper sideband is normal and for RTTY (AFSK amd
FSK D) the lower sideband is normally used.
"Reverse
  is to use the non-normal sideband.  Hold the ALT button to change.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/8/2013 4:52 PM, tomb18 wrote:
> Can someone explain exactly what the " Reverse" functions is?
> I understand how it is used for CW but for all the data modes?
> DATA A, PSK D, AFSK A, and FSK D can all be set as reverse.
>
>

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Re: DATA A Reverse? AFSK A Reverse etc?

Richard Ferch
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"Reverse" is exactly the same in data modes as in CW - the "reverse"
setting uses the opposite sideband to the "normal" setting. Some digital
modes, e.g. BPSK, will work regardless of which sideband you use (like
CW). Others, notably RTTY, are sensitive to which sideband you use (like
SSB).

DATA A and PSK D are USB, so DATA A-REV and PSK D-REV are LSB. AFSK A
and FSK D are LSB, so AFSK A-REV and FSK D-REV are USB.

73,
Rich VE3KI


VA2FSQ wrote:

> Can someone explain exactly what the " Reverse" functions is?
> I understand how it is used for CW but for all the data modes?
> DATA A, PSK D, AFSK A, and FSK D can all be set as reverse.

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Re: DATA A Reverse? AFSK A Reverse etc?

alsopb
Keep in mind what's "normal" depends upon where you are.  My
recollection is that MTTY used to transmit on USB as non-inverted.   I
think USB RTTY is standard elsewhere too.

I don't think the argument has ever been settled which sideband is the
"normal" one for CW either.

I wonder if there is a correlation between which side of the road one
drives on that the proper sideband to use........

73 de Brian/K3KO



On 4/8/2013 21:28, Richard Ferch wrote:

> "Reverse" is exactly the same in data modes as in CW - the "reverse"
> setting uses the opposite sideband to the "normal" setting. Some digital
> modes, e.g. BPSK, will work regardless of which sideband you use (like
> CW). Others, notably RTTY, are sensitive to which sideband you use (like
> SSB).
>
> DATA A and PSK D are USB, so DATA A-REV and PSK D-REV are LSB. AFSK A
> and FSK D are LSB, so AFSK A-REV and FSK D-REV are USB.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> VA2FSQ wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain exactly what the " Reverse" functions is?
>> I understand how it is used for CW but for all the data modes?
>> DATA A, PSK D, AFSK A, and FSK D can all be set as reverse.
>
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Re: DATA A Reverse? AFSK A Reverse etc?

Richard Ferch
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The K3, like every other amateur transceiver I know of, uses LSB for its
RTTY-specific data modes (AFSK A and FSK D). This is the standard
amateur convention for RTTY. Note that RTTY outside the amateur bands
may be different; the choice of polarity for RTTY is an arbitrary
convention which is not the same in all services. Regardless of which
sideband the transceiver uses, if you are using software to decode and
encode signals the software usually provides a way to choose either
polarity.

The MMTTY software assumes the radio is in LSB. You can use MMTTY for
amateur RTTY with the radio in USB (FSK D-REV or AFSK A-REV), but to do
so you need to press the "Rev" button in MMTTY. Some multi-mode
digital-mode software assumes the radio is in USB for all data modes
including RTTY; there is usually a Reverse option in such software that
you can use so the software will work with the radio in LSB.

As for CW, you can use whichever sideband you prefer (e.g. depending on
whether you are tuning up the band or down the band, or on the presence
of nearby signals either above or below the desired signal's frequency).
The stations you are contacting cannot tell the difference. Be that as
it may, the K3 uses LSB for CW; CW-REV in the K3 is USB.

73,
Rich VE3KI


K3KO wrote:

> Keep in mind what's "normal" depends upon where you are.  My
> recollection is that MTTY used to transmit on USB as non-inverted.   I
> think USB RTTY is standard elsewhere too.

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Re: DATA A Reverse? AFSK A Reverse etc?

Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
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See you on the green keys....

-- Lynn

On 4/8/2013 3:40 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:

> The K3, like every other amateur transceiver I know of, uses LSB for its
> RTTY-specific data modes (AFSK A and FSK D). This is the standard
> amateur convention for RTTY. Note that RTTY outside the amateur bands
> may be different; the choice of polarity for RTTY is an arbitrary
> convention which is not the same in all services. Regardless of which
> sideband the transceiver uses, if you are using software to decode and
> encode signals the software usually provides a way to choose either
> polarity.
>
> The MMTTY software assumes the radio is in LSB. You can use MMTTY for
> amateur RTTY with the radio in USB (FSK D-REV or AFSK A-REV), but to do
> so you need to press the "Rev" button in MMTTY. Some multi-mode
> digital-mode software assumes the radio is in USB for all data modes
> including RTTY; there is usually a Reverse option in such software that
> you can use so the software will work with the radio in LSB.
>
> As for CW, you can use whichever sideband you prefer (e.g. depending on
> whether you are tuning up the band or down the band, or on the presence
> of nearby signals either above or below the desired signal's frequency).
> The stations you are contacting cannot tell the difference. Be that as
> it may, the K3 uses LSB for CW; CW-REV in the K3 is USB.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> K3KO wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind what's "normal" depends upon where you are.  My
>> recollection is that MTTY used to transmit on USB as non-inverted.   I
>> think USB RTTY is standard elsewhere too.
>
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Re: DATA A Reverse? AFSK A Reverse etc?

tomb18
Ok, thanks for the explanations.  Got it.