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Edward A. Dauer

DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions

Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?

Ted, KN1CBR

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Dave Heil

Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in
industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them.

In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor
Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was
able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn.
You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders.

73,

Dave K8MN

On 19-Mar-18 15:09, Dauer, Edward wrote:

> My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions
>
> Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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Charlie T, K3ICH

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It should be a simple matter to pull it apart and clean the contacts with De-Oxit.

That said, the auto ranging, hand-held digital Chicom meters on ebay for under $25 are decent.
The non-auto-ranging types are under $10.
Or, you can get a free one at Harbor Freight.

I bought one of the HF top-of-the-line hand-held meters which measures everything you could ever want, temperature, sound pressure, light intensity, capacitors etc., for under $50 and beat the krapp out of it. It still works. The internal fuse has saved it on numerous "Oh shXX" happenings.

I have a lab standard (traceable) meter calibrator for Voltage that is good to 3 decimal places past zero, and my fancy Fluke is no more accurate than these cheap throw-away's.

MCM, now Newark, has the Tenma line that are also good meters. I also use a few of those, bench types on the test bench.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions

Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?

Ted, KN1CBR

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Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

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I own three DMMs and you can never have enough. Well, maybe you can. I use them because I am forever measuring multiple points in a circuit simultaneously. Not for ham radio but rather for hobby play with digital circuits.

My Fluke 179 is clearly the best of the lot and the auto-ranging feature is very nice. Many other features though I have not used. I also own a Triplett 9007 which is my second best and a BK Survivor model 2860A. I also have a Fluke clamp style current meter which I have never used. Bought it at a charity auction with a $20 bid and I think most others didn't even know what it was.

I also have a Triplett analog VOM and two other cheaper analog VOM type meters.

If you want to spend money, clearly by the Fluke but apart from auto-ranging (and there are probably other meters with that capability) I don't think it is that much more useful then my Triplett or my BK which are cheaper but not dirt cheap. Amazon has the Triplett for under $60.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Mar 19, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions
>
> Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

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+1 for the inexpensive offerings from Harbor Freight. I have several of these cheap knock offs. They’re certainly not professional grade instruments, but they are more than adequate for hobbiest level work. I use a small CEN-TECH model for quick voltage, resistance and current measurents. It works well and was actually FREE with a coupon. The readings are very close to my trusty, much more expensive, Fluke 79.
David, W4SMT

On Monday, March 19, 2018, 11:33 AM, Dave Heil <[hidden email]> wrote:

In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in
industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them.

In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor
Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was
able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn.
You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders.

73,

Dave K8MN

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Johan Ymerson

Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

There are certainly some decent cheap DMM's out there, but also some terrible.
I had one (CH-something) that was quite accurate when the batteries was new,
but when the battery voltage got lower, it showed >25% too much. It apparently
used the battery voltage as voltage reference...
Combined with no low-battery indication it was quite useless.

So if you need to trust the readings from the DMM, get one that has good
reputation (doesn't need to be Fluke).

73 de Johan SM0XHJ

On Monday, 19 March 2018 17:06:48 CET David Fleming via Elecraft wrote:

> +1 for the inexpensive offerings from Harbor Freight. I have several of
> these cheap knock offs. They’re certainly not professional grade
> instruments, but they are more than adequate for hobbiest level work. I use
> a small CEN-TECH model for quick voltage, resistance and current
> measurents. It works well and was actually FREE with a coupon. The
> readings are very close to my trusty, much more expensive, Fluke 79.
> David, W4SMT
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018, 11:33 AM, Dave Heil <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in
> industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them.
>
> In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor
> Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was
> able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn.
> You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave K8MN
>
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ae5ka

Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

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For a good solid multimeter whose safety and features were spec'ed by Dave
Jones of EEVBLOG fame, do a search on Amazon for
EEVblog Brymen BM235 Multimeter
That one will set you back $125, but it has just about all of what you need.

For a bit less than $60, the UNI-T UT61E is a favorite.

And for only about $20, look for the AN8008 or AN8009. They are sold under
various names, and the two differ slightly in features, but for a compact,
quicky DMM you won't be using on anything scarier than house wiring mains,
they should fit the bill.

You'll want to look carefully at all the features, but you won't go wrong
with the BM235. I have a UT61E and an AN8008, and they offer good value. I
have another Brymen meter similar to the BM235, and it is a very high
quality unit. They OEM for Greenlee and others, BTW.

If you are really picky about your features and specs, take a look at this:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/

73
Chip Stratton
AE5KA

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch
> contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will
> give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions
>
> Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging,
> all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency,
> and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke
> 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less
> expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the
> best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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ae5ka

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If looking for something more "name brand", the Greenlee DM-510A is made by
Brymen. I have this and have been very happy with it. Also on Amazon.

73
Chip
AE5KA

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EricJ

Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

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I have HB's top-of-the line autoranger for less than $40 and the next
one down which is not autoranging for less than $25. One for the
electronic shop and one for the garage. I build a LOT of electronic
stuff and find them completely adequate for hobby level work. I only use
AC/DC volts, amps, milliamps and resistance. I don't use any of the
other functions. I have better, specialized tools to take care of the rest.

BTW, you have to CAREFULLY research Fluke features. They make so many
different models with feature sets aimed at particular professions.
There are some that look great for ham use, but when you dig into the
features they don't even have a milliamp range!

No matter what meter you use, I don't think you should ever go in for a
measurement unless you have already estimated or calculated what you
expect to see. A weird reading could be caused by a circuit problem,
test equipment failure or a lack of understanding of the circuit
operation. Making a stab at it on paper first, makes it a lot easier to
eliminate two of those.

Eric KE6US

On 3/19/2018 9:06 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft wrote:

> +1 for the inexpensive offerings from Harbor Freight. I have several of these cheap knock offs. They’re certainly not professional grade instruments, but they are more than adequate for hobbiest level work. I use a small CEN-TECH model for quick voltage, resistance and current measurents. It works well and was actually FREE with a coupon. The readings are very close to my trusty, much more expensive, Fluke 79.
> David, W4SMT
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018, 11:33 AM, Dave Heil <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in
> industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them.
>
> In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor
> Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was
> able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn.
> You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave K8MN
>
>
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Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

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Ted
As a 32 year metrology lab supervisor, we used MANY Fluke DMM models. I can’t speak highly enough of this manufacturer. Their actual accuracy is usually much better than the published specs. And are very rugged. I would have no reservations in purchasing one.

Harlan
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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions
>
> Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

When I was in aerospace we used to say, "If it works, it's a Fluke."

On 3/19/2018 10:49 AM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote:
> Ted
> As a 32 year metrology lab supervisor, we used MANY Fluke DMM models. I can’t speak highly enough of this manufacturer. Their actual accuracy is usually much better than the published specs. And are very rugged. I would have no reservations in purchasing one.
>
> Harlan
> K4HES
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> But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only
> once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
I have a Fluke 85 that I got 30 years or more ago and have never had a
moment's problem/regret. In that time, I replaced many "off brand"
instruments that simply did not hold up for technicians in the shops I
supervised. While I'm sure there may be other good products out there,
unless the requirements call for some special feature not otherwise
available, I would still stick with the Fluke.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 3/19/2018 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

>
> My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions
>
> Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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alorona

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If we are to be consistent and follow advice from countless (delighted) Elecraft owners on this list, any buyer of test equipment like the DMM in question is going to ensure that the company will be easy to contact and work with and stand behind its product when necessary. Yes, many times I've thrown away twenty dollars here and there on cheap stuff, but I'm getting mighty tired of doing so.

Al W6LX
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I’ve been using a Fluke 87 that I bought at the Ft. Wayne hamfest about 20 years ago. The seller had dozens of them in a big pile. It was $100 which seemed like a lot for a used meter, condition somewhat unknown, but I’ve never regretted it.

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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only
>> once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
> I have a Fluke 85 that I got 30 years or more ago and have never had a
> moment's problem/regret. In that time, I replaced many "off brand"
> instruments that simply did not hold up for technicians in the shops I
> supervised. While I'm sure there may be other good products out there,
> unless the requirements call for some special feature not otherwise
> available, I would still stick with the Fluke.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>> On 3/19/2018 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>> My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions
>> Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
>> Ted, KN1CBR
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Edward R Cole

Re: DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

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I bought a Fluke-73 in 1984 and the dang thing took a lot of hits and
kept on working. In final years cracked case was held together with
electric tape until one day it died. I used is as professional
technician all those years and six years into retirement. So...I
bought another Fluke (on Amazon) and it was shipped from China
(instruction book in chinese). But the labels are all in
english. Spent $109 got model 17B auto-ranging mv, V, ua, ma, A,
ohms, diode test, continuity beeper, capacitance tester, AC and DC
plus temperature with probe. Maz/min, Hold, Relative
keys. Illuminated screen on/off. Came with rubber shock case.

It will be in my will as it will probably outlast me.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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I know, lets start a thread about whether test leads should be red (+) and black (-), or black (hot) and white (neutral) or maybe combine it all to Euro standards of wiring with a Blue & Brown leads?.

THAT should keep everyone busy at least till next Christmas, or as long as another "which mike is best?" question would.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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True RMS for $19.95?

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179?

In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in
industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them.

In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor
Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was
able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn.
You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders.

73,

Dave K8MN

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ae5ka

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True RMS for a $20 on Amazon multimeter.

Review here: https://youtu.be/xdGQEVdxmQQ

Chip
AE5KA

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> True RMS for $19.95?
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> In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in
> industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them.
>
> In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor
> Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was
> able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn.
> You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave K8MN
>
>
> On 19-Mar-18 15:09, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome – internal rotary switch
> contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will
> give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions
> >
> > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have
> autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing,
> frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the
> Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That’s about four times what the less
> expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it’s better to buy the
> best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price?
> >
> > Ted, KN1CBR
> >
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