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Peter Pauly

DX World Transceiver survey

Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do...

https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Peter W2IRT

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom,
82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.

- pjd

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Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do...

https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023)
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Michael P. Rioux

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Icom’s first place may reflect their position as a “primary “ sponsor of dx world🙄
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> Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do...
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> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

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And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either.
Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school
popularity contest.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom,
> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.
>
> - pjd
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Dennis Moore

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known
since I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason.

73, Dennis NJ6G

On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either.
> Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high
> school popularity contest.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX

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Ron Genovesi

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

Friends don’t let friends use Baofeng!

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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dennis Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known since I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason.
>
> 73, Dennis NJ6G
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>> On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
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Bill Gerth

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

Elecraft now in 1st place as of 1707 UTC.

73,
BILL
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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Ron Genovesi <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Friends don’t let friends use Baofeng!
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> Ron Genovesi
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>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dennis Moore <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known since I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason.
>>
>> 73, Dennis NJ6G
>>
>>
>>> On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
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Re: DX World Transceiver survey

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Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don’t usually publish volume or number of units sold. They will publish information on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type.

It is a totally different type of “survey” that reports on product comparisons including units sold and so forth. That kind of survey is what you would expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users.

Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no different then a high school popularity contest. And, most surveys are like this. Including those political polling surveys.

But, there are serious surveys too. I once did a survey for Consumer Reports on a new car purchase. It took me 30 minutes to finish. I think it had on the order of 100+ questions. It was years ago and not even an on-line survey. I can’t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared. I had to mark a whole lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
>> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom,
>> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.
>>
>> - pjd
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On Behalf Of Peter Pauly
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey
>>
>> Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do...
>>
>> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Peter W2IRT

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The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a website than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going to visit.

- pjd

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Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don’t usually publish volume or number of units sold. They will publish information on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type.

It is a totally different type of “survey” that reports on product comparisons including units sold and so forth. That kind of survey is what you would expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users.

Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no different then a high school popularity contest. And, most surveys are like this. Including those political polling surveys.

But, there are serious surveys too. I once did a survey for Consumer Reports on a new car purchase. It took me 30 minutes to finish. I think it had on the order of 100+ questions. It was years ago and not even an on-line survey. I can’t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared. I had to mark a whole lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen.

73, phil, K7PEH

Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023)
73, Peter W2IRT

Ian Kahn, KM4IK

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

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Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job
Elecrafters!

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
K3 #281, P3 #681

On 08/15/2018 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:

> Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do...
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> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Doug Turnbull

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

Dear OMs,
It is a bit like surveys the BBC occasionally runs. If there is an
Irish element to it then the whole of Ireland gangs up and skews it to
praise an Irishman, song, poem or what have you.

73 Doug EI2CN

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Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job
Elecrafters!

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
K3 #281, P3 #681

On 08/15/2018 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:

Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

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Total waste of time.......on about the same level as American Idol phone vote tabulations.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don’t usually publish volume or number of units sold. They will publish information on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type.

It is a totally different type of “survey” that reports on product comparisons including units sold and so forth. That kind of survey is what you would expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users.

Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no different then a high school popularity contest. And, most surveys are like this. Including those political polling surveys.

But, there are serious surveys too. I once did a survey for Consumer Reports on a new car purchase. It took me 30 minutes to finish. I think it had on the order of 100+ questions. It was years ago and not even an on-line survey. I can’t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared. I had to mark a whole lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
>> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes
>> for Icom,
>> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.
>>
>> - pjd
>>
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>> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey
>>
>> Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do...
>>
>> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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kstover

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

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It doesn't really mean anything. Nobody has ever heard of the website before
today and they've got to be giggling about the surge it website hits.

Now if this had been done on a high traffic site like QRZ.com and none of
the manufacturers in the survey were "major" contributors to the website I
might pay attention. I'll be willing to bet a huge can of worms that if
Elecraft hangs on for the win the survey will be buried in the bowels of the
internet never to see the light of day. If Icom pulls off a "miraculous"
comeback the survey will be much ballyhooed and quoted as gospel. Maybe
making the hallowed pages of QST.

Call me syndical.

R. Kevin Stover AC0H

ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC.
"If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the
20th.Just stop."

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To: 'Ian Kahn, KM4IK' <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Dear OMs,
It is a bit like surveys the BBC occasionally runs. If there is an
Irish element to it then the whole of Ireland gangs up and skews it to
praise an Irishman, song, poem or what have you.

73 Doug EI2CN

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Sent: 15 August 2018 20:48
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job
Elecrafters!

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
K3 #281, P3 #681

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> Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do...
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

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Folks - Lets end this thread now as its a bit OT and is way past the OT posting
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Edward A. Dauer

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It may be proof that foreign agents can hack and manipulate any American voting process.

Should DOJ be brought in?

Ted, KN1CBR

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The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a website than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going to visit.

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: DX World Transceiver Survey

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Thread closed. Folks, this is drifting way OT.

Eric
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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> It may be proof that foreign agents can hack and manipulate any American voting process.
>
> Should DOJ be brought in?
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> Ted, KN1CBR
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> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:53:36 -0400
> From: "Peter W2IRT" <[hidden email]>
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> The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a website than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going to visit.
>
> - pjd
>
>
>
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Gary Smith-2

Re: DX World Transceiver survey

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Elecraft is now at 32%. I voted but non
scientific studies are mostly for fun and
not a representative answer with validity.

73,

Gary
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