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Jim Littlefield

Data modes issue

Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.

Any suggestions?

--
73 de Jim Littlefield WN1X

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K5DNL

Re: Data modes issue

Jim,

Try turning on the VOX.

Ken K5DNL
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----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 12:47:37 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Data modes issue

Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.

Any suggestions?

--
73 de Jim Littlefield WN1X

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Jim Littlefield

Re: Data modes issue

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Yes, I definitely have the MIC SEL set to LINE IN and the LINE IN gain
at 30.

On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, John Ragle wrote:

> Check in particular...
>
> MIC SEL = LINE IN
>
> also
>
> LIN IN set to ~10-30 depending on band...
>
> My mic gain runs about "LINE 30" and the SignaLink (IF USING) has TX @
> 9 O'Clock and RX @ 11 or 12 O'Clock. (Again, IF USING SignaLink, both
> jumpers that deal with audio olume are set to the "high" setting...see
> instructions.)
>
> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>
> =====
>
> On 1/8/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
>> Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
>> data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
>> mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
>> monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
>> Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
>> have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>
>

Jim Littlefield

Re: Data modes issue

In reply to this post by K5DNL

Ken,

The rig is being keyed, but I just tried turning VOX on, but no change
in behavior. This really weird.

On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, Ken Roberson wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Try turning on the VOX.
>
> Ken K5DNL
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jim Littlefield<[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List<[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 12:47:37 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Data modes issue
>
> Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
> data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
> mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
> monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
> Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
> have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Data modes issue

In reply to this post by Jim Littlefield

Are you sure you're hearing the audio from the K3 monitor and
not from other speakers attached to the computer? What sound
card software are you using? Are you sure it is configured to
use the soundcard attached to the radio and not the computer
"default" sound card if you have more than one (e.g., an interface
with built-in sound card)?

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 1/8/2011 2:04 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:

> Yes, I definitely have the MIC SEL set to LINE IN and the LINE IN gain
> at 30.
>
>
> On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, John Ragle wrote:
>> Check in particular...
>>
>> MIC SEL = LINE IN
>>
>> also
>>
>> LIN IN set to ~10-30 depending on band...
>>
>> My mic gain runs about "LINE 30" and the SignaLink (IF USING) has TX @
>> 9 O'Clock and RX @ 11 or 12 O'Clock. (Again, IF USING SignaLink, both
>> jumpers that deal with audio olume are set to the "high" setting...see
>> instructions.)
>>
>> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>>
>> =====
>>
>> On 1/8/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
>>> Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
>>> data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
>>> mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
>>> monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
>>> Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
>>> have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Larry - K2GN

Re: Data modes issue

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Is the rig in the TEST Mode?

TX light blinking. If so, you've accidently hit the Mode Up switch and held
it in for too long.

de K2GN/Larry

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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 2:06 PM
To: Ken Roberson
Cc: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data modes issue

Ken,

The rig is being keyed, but I just tried turning VOX on, but no change
in behavior. This really weird.

On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, Ken Roberson wrote:

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Jim Littlefield

Re: Data modes issue

No, it us definitely not in test mode.

- Jim WN1X

On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:38 PM, "Larry - K2GN" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is the rig in the TEST Mode?
>
> TX light blinking. If so, you've accidently hit the Mode Up switch and held
> it in for too long.
>
> de K2GN/Larry
>
>
>
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Littlefield
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 2:06 PM
> To: Ken Roberson
> Cc: Elecraft Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data modes issue
>
>
>
> Ken,
>
> The rig is being keyed, but I just tried turning VOX on, but no change
> in behavior. This really weird.
>
>
> On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, Ken Roberson wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> Try turning on the VOX.
>>
>> Ken K5DNL
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jim Littlefield<[hidden email]>
>> To: Elecraft Mailing List<[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 12:47:37 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Data modes issue
>>
>> Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
>> data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
>> mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
>> monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
>> Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
>> have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>
>
> --
> 73 de Jim Littlefield WN1X
>
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Jim Littlefield

Re: Data modes issue

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Positive. My sound card is a US Interface Navigator. I can turn it's monitor speaker completely off and listen to the K3's monitor.

- Jim WN1X

On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:31 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Are you sure you're hearing the audio from the K3 monitor and
> not from other speakers attached to the computer? What sound
> card software are you using? Are you sure it is configured to
> use the soundcard attached to the radio and not the computer
> "default" sound card if you have more than one (e.g., an interface
> with built-in sound card)?
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
> On 1/8/2011 2:04 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
>> Yes, I definitely have the MIC SEL set to LINE IN and the LINE IN gain
>> at 30.
>>
>>
>> On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, John Ragle wrote:
>>> Check in particular...
>>>
>>> MIC SEL = LINE IN
>>>
>>> also
>>>
>>> LIN IN set to ~10-30 depending on band...
>>>
>>> My mic gain runs about "LINE 30" and the SignaLink (IF USING) has TX @
>>> 9 O'Clock and RX @ 11 or 12 O'Clock. (Again, IF USING SignaLink, both
>>> jumpers that deal with audio olume are set to the "high" setting...see
>>> instructions.)
>>>
>>> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>> On 1/8/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
>>>> Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
>>>> data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
>>>> mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
>>>> monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
>>>> Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
>>>> have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Data modes issue

In reply to this post by Jim Littlefield

Jim,

Are you getting enough audio into the K3? Set the K3 to TX TEST and
look at the ALC bargraph. You should have 4 bars lighting solid with
the 5th bar possibly blinking.
If you are not seeing that indication on the ALC meter in the K3, you
are not driving the Line-in with enough audio.

The K3 "ALC" meter is also a "VU" meter on the lower part of the scale.
Indication below 5 bars indicate no ALC is being generated - ALC action
begins with the 5th bar. So if you followed the old advice that you
should not have any ALC indication for DATA modes, that old advice must
be modified for the K3.

The K3 Line-in expects to see line level signals. If you are using an
external interface, some by default use microphone level for the output
and you must change a jumper in the box to bring it up to line level.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/8/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
> Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
> data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
> mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
> monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
> Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
> have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
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K5DNL

Re: Data modes issue

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Jim,

Check to see if audio is coming out of your computer,

And set up K3 in data mode.
Not sure what program you use, I'm using,
However I have not been on psk for a while.

Ken K5DNL
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----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Littlefield <[hidden email]>
To: Ken Roberson <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 1:06:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data modes issue

Ken,

The rig is being keyed, but I just tried turning VOX on, but no change
in behavior. This really weird.

On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, Ken Roberson wrote:

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Data modes issue

In reply to this post by Jim Littlefield

Jim,

I just checked the Navigator documentation on the website. It does not
state whether line level output is available or not, but there is an
option called RF ATTN which by default inserts 20 dB attenuation into
the audio output. For use with the K3, I would think that should be set
to No Attenuation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/8/2011 2:47 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
> Positive. My sound card is a US Interface Navigator. I can turn it's monitor speaker completely off and listen to the K3's monitor.
>
> - Jim WN1X
>
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K5DNL

Re: Data modes issue

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Jim,

I'm using MixW, I powered up the K3 and you do not need VOX
to Key the K3.
I think Don may have hit the nail on the Head , check ALC.

73 Ken K5DNL
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----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Littlefield <[hidden email]>
To: Ken Roberson <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 1:06:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data modes issue

Ken,

The rig is being keyed, but I just tried turning VOX on, but no change
in behavior. This really weird.

On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, Ken Roberson wrote:

KD8NNU

Re: Data modes issue

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Do you have line-in enabled so you are not looking for the input on the mic in

KD8NNU

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On Jan 8, 2011 2:58 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jim,

Are you getting enough audio into the K3? Set the K3 to TX TEST and

look at the ALC bargraph. You should have 4 bars lighting solid with

the 5th bar possibly blinking.

If you are not seeing that indication on the ALC meter in the K3, you

are not driving the Line-in with enough audio.

The K3 "ALC" meter is also a "VU" meter on the lower part of the scale.

Indication below 5 bars indicate no ALC is being generated - ALC action

begins with the 5th bar. So if you followed the old advice that you

should not have any ALC indication for DATA modes, that old advice must

be modified for the K3.

The K3 Line-in expects to see line level signals. If you are using an

external interface, some by default use microphone level for the output

and you must change a jumper in the box to bring it up to line level.

73,

Don W3FPR

On 1/8/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:

> Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card

> data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A

> mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the

> monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the

> Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I

> have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.

>

> Any suggestions?

>

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Jim Littlefield

Re: Data modes issue

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The attenuation was disabled. I xm surprised at how high a level is required to drive the K3. But everything is working now.

- Jim WN1X

On Jan 8, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I just checked the Navigator documentation on the website. It does not state whether line level output is available or not, but there is an option called RF ATTN which by default inserts 20 dB attenuation into the audio output. For use with the K3, I would think that should be set to No Attenuation.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/8/2011 2:47 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
>> Positive. My sound card is a US Interface Navigator. I can turn it's monitor speaker completely off and listen to the K3's monitor.
>>
>> - Jim WN1X
>>

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Data modes issue

Jim,

Line level is a LOT greater than microphone level.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/8/2011 3:45 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
> The attenuation was disabled. I xm surprised at how high a level is required to drive the K3. But everything is working now.
>
> - Jim WN1X
>
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Greg - AB7R

Re: Data modes issue

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Had a similar problem once. Somehow the mixer volume setting for the
signalink was reduced. It needs to be turned all the way up.

I'm not home right now but go to control panel, audio, it probably shows
whatever the default soundcard is on your system. Change that to the USB
Audio Codec. Open the playback settings and make sure the slider is all the
way to the top for volume.

Don't forget to change the default back to your system soundcard or your
computer audio will come out from the Signalink.

73
Greg
AB7R

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Are you sure you're hearing the audio from the K3 monitor and
> not from other speakers attached to the computer? What sound
> card software are you using? Are you sure it is configured to
> use the soundcard attached to the radio and not the computer
> "default" sound card if you have more than one (e.g., an interface
> with built-in sound card)?
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
> On 1/8/2011 2:04 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
> > Yes, I definitely have the MIC SEL set to LINE IN and the LINE IN gain
> > at 30.
> >
> >
> > On 1/8/2011 1:57 PM, John Ragle wrote:
> >> Check in particular...
> >>
> >> MIC SEL = LINE IN
> >>
> >> also
> >>
> >> LIN IN set to ~10-30 depending on band...
> >>
> >> My mic gain runs about "LINE 30" and the SignaLink (IF USING) has TX @
> >> 9 O'Clock and RX @ 11 or 12 O'Clock. (Again, IF USING SignaLink, both
> >> jumpers that deal with audio olume are set to the "high" setting...see
> >> instructions.)
> >>
> >> John Ragle -- W1ZI
> >>
> >> =====
> >>
> >> On 1/8/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Littlefield wrote:
> >>> Just got my new K3 and everything is great about it except, sound card
> >>> data modes (PSK31, etc.) are not working. I put the radio in Data A
> >>> mode. When I transmit, the rig is keyed, I can hear audio via the
> >>> monitor function, but nothing is transmitted. I have tried cranking the
> >>> Mic gain (actually the line in gain) way up, but that doesn't help. I
> >>> have also confirmed the transmitter is not in test mode.
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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