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I cancelled my order as I could not take it anymore,
there are still no full specs on the radio, things that were supposed to work still dont, or have just started working. FM does not work, AM sync does not work, I dont now what the audio passband is (how low does it go?). The 2nd receiver is delayed, what about the variable filters? All this stuff was in the advertisements, nothing about it was not done yet, or would not be done before the first 500 radios slowly shipped. I think Elecraft is a great company making great radios, but I think they blew the release of this one. They should have been up front with saying its a CW radio for now, and we hope to get the other stuff working in a year or so. I cant think of any other manufacturer who could get away with selling so many radios so late, without major modes, options and features working, and without any communication about it except after the fact. I will want one, likely in a year or two after its done... Brett N2DTS >Issue 1: The K3 and selected accessories are not available as >promised. Yes, "bumps in the road" happen. Understood. >Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought >knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the >dark about the status of the K3. Additionally, it appears that t>hey've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the >KRX3 and the KDVR3. The details have been discussed many times >before, and it should be obvious to anyone. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Brett Gazdzinski wrote:
> I cancelled my order as I could not take it anymore, One of the differences between Elecraft and many other high-tech companies is this reflector, which creates expectations, transmits rumors, airs complaints, etc. (I believe that Tentec also has this phenomenon). I'm in the computer field, and I buy and recommend a lot of hardware and software products. The K3's state of readiness, delivery schedule, etc., compares favorably with most of them. The difference is that there is not a reflector on which issues, non-issues, suspected issues, predicted issues, imagined issues, motives, secret motives, etc. can be beaten to death. I've paid good money for products which not only do not meet specs when they come out, but *never* meet specs -- to the point that I would say "it doesn't work". This goes for ham stuff too. I have an antenna analyzer which has been out for more than a year and is too inaccurate to use due to a design flaw (I am not going to name it, but W3FPR knows what I'm talking about). A fix has been promised...and promised, but I'm still waiting. Personally, I find my K3 the best radio I've ever had, I'm happy to put up with the issues that are getting ironed out -- and they are, and I was not mortally wounded by having to wait longer than I expected to get it. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 10:06, Vic K2VCO wrote:
> I've paid good money for products which not only do not meet specs when > they come out, but *never* meet specs -- to the point that I would say > "it doesn't work". My favorite example of that was a little Sony FM radio I bought a couple years ago to use while bicycle touring. I chose that particular unit because it supposedly included all 7 NOAA weather channels. But when I got it home and tried it I noticed that I was hearing the same audio on all 7 channels with exactly the same weak signal level. I tested it with an HP signal generator, and sure enough it was actually receiving channel 1 on all 7 channels. Took it back to the store for a replacement. Second unit acted the same. Contancted Sony and they denied everything. Told me I must be doing something wrong. So they were shipping a radio with the main feature completely non-functional - and refusing to even acknowledge it as a problem. Do they figure most customers won't notice? Al N1AL _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Brett Gazdzinski
Initial reaction was, who cares. Then I thought, well, maybe there is
something to learn here. I said to myself, "Why the post that he had canceled his order?", the second post like this, if I recall. A - just wanted to blow off some steam, and tell people what he thinks. Great, all for it, been there myself. B - express his thoughts, and hope to convince others to do the same. Hmmmm, tough crowd for this one. But who can tell. C - trying to justify to himself, why he canceled the order. This falls into the category of, "things that make me go hmmmmm....." Interesting stuff. I don't agree, but that is the beauty of it. Especially when every NCJ I pick up, has at least one article in it, where the subject talks about their station setup, and it starts with, "A modified <insert Yaesu, Icom, or Kenwood> rig here...." meaning that these "delivery as soon as you order them" rigs, then had to be modified, to make them useful contest rigs. Dave Wilburn K4DGW K2/100 - S/N 5982 Brett Gazdzinski wrote: > I cancelled my order as I could not take it anymore, > there are still no full specs on the radio, things that were > supposed to work still dont, or have just started working. > FM does not work, AM sync does not work, I dont now > what the audio passband is (how low does it go?). > The 2nd receiver is delayed, what about the variable filters? > All this stuff was in the advertisements, nothing about it was not done > yet, or would not be done before the first 500 radios slowly shipped. > > I think Elecraft is a great company making great radios, but I > think they blew the release of this one. > They should have been up front with saying its a CW radio for now, > and we hope to get the other stuff working in a year or so. > > I cant think of any other manufacturer who could get away with selling > so many radios so late, without major modes, options and features > working, and without any communication about it except after the fact. > > I will want one, likely in a year or two after its done... > > Brett > N2DTS > > > >> Issue 1: The K3 and selected accessories are not available as >> promised. Yes, "bumps in the road" happen. Understood. > >> Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought >> knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the >> dark about the status of the K3. Additionally, it appears that > t>hey've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the >> KRX3 and the KDVR3. The details have been discussed many times >> before, and it should be obvious to anyone. > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:19:14 -0500, you wrote:
>Initial reaction was, who cares. Then I thought, well, maybe there is >something to learn here. [snip] Yes there is. Every time some one cancels their order, my order gets closer to the door. I'd like to thank Brett and all the others who cancelled their orders for moving me up one more position in the queue. >Brett Gazdzinski wrote: >> I cancelled my order as I could not take it anymore, >> there are still no full specs on the radio, things that were >> supposed to work still dont, or have just started working. >> FM does not work, AM sync does not work, I dont now >> what the audio passband is (how low does it go?). >> The 2nd receiver is delayed, what about the variable filters? >> All this stuff was in the advertisements, nothing about it was not done >> yet, or would not be done before the first 500 radios slowly shipped. >> >> I think Elecraft is a great company making great radios, but I >> think they blew the release of this one. >> They should have been up front with saying its a CW radio for now, >> and we hope to get the other stuff working in a year or so. >> >> I cant think of any other manufacturer who could get away with selling >> so many radios so late, without major modes, options and features >> working, and without any communication about it except after the fact. >> >> I will want one, likely in a year or two after its done... >> >> Brett >> N2DTS >> Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Yes, and I get closer to ordering one, myself!!! Once they get caught up I
will dive in too! Can't beat Elecraft stuff. I have been in Ham for 48 years licensed and have seen and owned a lot of stuff! Hard to say that or admit that I am only 62! 72, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35, K2 # 5279, KX1 #35, Mini Modules, etc. -----Original Message----- >Initial reaction was, who cares. Then I thought, well, maybe there is >something to learn here. [snip] Yes there is. Every time some one cancels their order, my order gets closer to the door. I'd like to thank Brett and all the others who cancelled their orders for moving me up one more position in the queue. >Brett Gazdzinski wrote: >> I cancelled my order as I could not take it anymore, _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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