Digital software compatibility

[Iain Haywood]

My K3 kit is now working fine, just rigged up an inverted L and being
amazed how it can pick signals out of the quagmire.

Mind you, my last rig was 25 years ago, a yaseu FR50B and FL50B, dont
even compare.

I have read with interest the comments about the polling issues with
HRD. I myself cannot use this software as it crashes or takes up too
much memory due to memory leaks I presume.

Good idea but bad implementation,

As a programmer of PICS and microprocessors,  I cant abide bad code.

But as I just re-activate my licence after 25 years am a bit out of touch.

Any suggestions for a general HRD type software for windows that
implements the comms with the K3 is a good way that wont crash my poor
old overworked PC?

73's
--
*Iain Haywood* G4SGX
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-4]

 > Any suggestions for a general HRD type software for windows that
 > implements the comms with the K3 is a good way that wont crash my poor
 > old overworked PC?

DXLab Suite (www.dxlabsuite.com) provides logger, digital mode (RTTY,
PSK31) support, DX alerting and superb award tracking ... One of the
best written and best supported (http:/groups.yahoo.com/group/DXLab)
packages available.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/19/2011 3:27 PM, Iain Haywood wrote:

> My K3 kit is now working fine, just rigged up an inverted L and being
> amazed how it can pick signals out of the quagmire.
>
> Mind you, my last rig was 25 years ago, a yaseu FR50B and FL50B, dont
> even compare.
>
> I have read with interest the comments about the polling issues with
> HRD. I myself cannot use this software as it crashes or takes up too
> much memory due to memory leaks I presume.
>
> Good idea but bad implementation,
>
> As a programmer of PICS and microprocessors,  I cant abide bad code.
>
> But as I just re-activate my licence after 25 years am a bit out of touch.
>
> Any suggestions for a general HRD type software for windows that
> implements the comms with the K3 is a good way that wont crash my poor
> old overworked PC?
>
> 73's

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[K5DNL]

Iain,

Not sure what digi mode you work.
I use MixW for most modes and WSJT free software
for JT65B on 2M EME and JT65A for HF bands,
All run thru comm ports with HomeBrew interface.
On three computers and two K3's and HomeBrew
transciver on 20M .
GL 73 Ken K5DNL
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--- On Sun, 6/19/11, Iain Haywood <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Iain Haywood <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital software compatibility
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 2:27 PM
> My K3 kit is now working fine, just
> rigged up an inverted L and being
> amazed how it can pick signals out of the quagmire.
>
> Mind you, my last rig was 25 years ago, a yaseu FR50B and
> FL50B, dont
> even compare.
>
> I have read with interest the comments about the polling
> issues with
> HRD. I myself cannot use this software as it crashes or
> takes up too
> much memory due to memory leaks I presume.
>
> Good idea but bad implementation,
>
> As a programmer of PICS and microprocessors,  I cant
> abide bad code.
>
> But as I just re-activate my licence after 25 years am a
> bit out of touch.
>
> Any suggestions for a general HRD type software for windows
> that
> implements the comms with the K3 is a good way that wont
> crash my poor
> old overworked PC?
>
> 73's
> --
> *Iain Haywood* G4SGX
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[Tony Estep]

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Ken Roberson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> > ..crashes or  takes up too  much memory due to memory leaks....
>
=======
This is just the sort of thing I was talking about in my previous post about
how the reach of amateur programmers is exceeding their grasp. Sadly, it's
not in the cards that a guy armed with  a couple of manuals and some good
intentions can write real-time, mult-threaded, interrupt-driven software
with a GUI and a bunch of low-level driver interfaces. This is unfortunate,
but there is no relief on the horizon. A common response is to blame Windows
or the hardware or something, but the many bug-free commercial PC games
(about $10 billion sold this year) reveal this to be sour grapes. We need to
recruit some guys from Apple and Google and Intel and EA to get passionate
about ham radio!

Tony KT0NY
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[Don Putnick]

Kok Chen W7AN develops high-quality freeware on the Mac side of the house, cocoaModem for the digital modes for example. Unfortunately he doesn't have rig control software. What are people using for the Mac/K3 combination, short of running Windows apps under Wine?
73 Don NA6Z K3 #5495

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Estep <[hidden email]>
{snip]
>We need to
>recruit some guys from Apple and Google and Intel and EA to get passionate
>about ham radio!
>Tony KT0NY

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[Don Putnick]

Oops ... W7AY

-----Original Message----

>Kok Chen W7AN develops high-quality freeware on the Mac side of the house,
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[Rick Prather-2]

Usually I run CocoaModem for digital operation and RUMLog for logging and rig control.  

There are Apple Scripts that will transfer calls from CocoaModem to either RUMLog or MacLoggerDX.

Another option is fldigi.

Rick
K6LE

On 6/19/2011, at 3:26 , Don Putnick wrote:

> Kok Chen W7AN develops high-quality freeware on the Mac side of the house, cocoaModem for the digital modes for example. Unfortunately he doesn't have rig control software. What are people using for the Mac/K3 combination, short of running Windows apps under Wine?
> 73 Don NA6Z K3 #5495
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Estep <[hidden email]>
> {snip]
>> We need to
>> recruit some guys from Apple and Google and Intel and EA to get passionate
>> about ham radio!
>> Tony KT0NY
>
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[Bob Nielsen-2]

You might take a look at fldigi <www.w1hkj.com>.  Windows, Linux and OS X are all supported.

73,
Bob N7XY

On Jun 19, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Don Putnick wrote:

> Kok Chen W7AN develops high-quality freeware on the Mac side of the house, cocoaModem for the digital modes for example. Unfortunately he doesn't have rig control software. What are people using for the Mac/K3 combination, short of running Windows apps under Wine?
> 73 Don NA6Z K3 #5495
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Estep <[hidden email]>
> {snip]
>> We need to
>> recruit some guys from Apple and Google and Intel and EA to get passionate
>> about ham radio!
>> Tony KT0NY
>
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[Chuck Shefflette]

Personally, I use the knobs on the front panel for control of the rig. I use MacLoggerDX for logging (connected to the rig so it gets frequency/power automagically) and CocoaModem for what little PSK/RTTY I do. For me the computer is just another tool that happens to connect to the radio...

73,
Chuck - AA3CS

On 19 Jun 2011, at 18:26, Don Putnick wrote:

> Kok Chen W7AN develops high-quality freeware on the Mac side of the house, cocoaModem for the digital modes for example. Unfortunately he doesn't have rig control software. What are people using for the Mac/K3 combination, short of running Windows apps under Wine?

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[ac0h]

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:53:13 -0400
"Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>  > Any suggestions for a general HRD type software for windows that
>  > implements the comms with the K3 is a good way that wont crash my
>  > poor old overworked PC?
>
> DXLab Suite (www.dxlabsuite.com) provides logger, digital mode (RTTY,
> PSK31) support, DX alerting and superb award tracking ... One of the
> best written and best supported (http:/groups.yahoo.com/group/DXLab)
> packages available.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV

100% agree.



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[Don Wilhelm-4]

  Chuck,

Yes, the computer is just another tool that one can connect to the K3,
but it can be a very powerful tool.  For Data Modes, applications like
Fldigi, HRD/DM780. MixW, and many others can open a whole new path to
communications.  The there are the Joe Taylor applications for weak
signal work.  The world of ham radio has expanded tremendously beyond
the basics of AM, SSB and CW.  There is a whole new world out there to
be explored.

Yes, I know there are some that want to stick with the old "tried and
true" methods of communication, but that stance reminds me of the AM vs.
"Mickey Mouse Talk" back in the early days of SSB.  Let progress arise
and take advantage of whatever technology may offer.  It is not often
that we can detect signals that are buried under the band noise level,
the that is exactly what the "JT" modes offer - certainly they are not
for "slam-bang" QSOs, but they do add a lot to what can be accomplished
with ham radio.  Let the naysayers begin their "CW is the only mode"
tirades - CW is the original Data Mode, but those later data modes can
be very effective as well - even if they need a supporting computer for
decoding.

Congratulations to those who can easily do CW in their heads and pump
brass with a straight key or bug or paddles - no computer required.  But
to insist that is the only "real" data mode is just not logical to me.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/19/2011 7:33 PM, Chuck Shefflette wrote:
> For me the computer is just another tool that happens to connect to the radio...
>
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[Dave Perry N4QS]

I've tried DXLab Suite, but I prefer DX4WIN.

Dave, N4QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Kevin Stover" <[hidden email]>
To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital software compatibility

> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:53:13 -0400
> "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>  > Any suggestions for a general HRD type software for windows that
>>  > implements the comms with the K3 is a good way that wont crash my
>>  > poor old overworked PC?
>>
>> DXLab Suite (www.dxlabsuite.com) provides logger, digital mode (RTTY,
>> PSK31) support, DX alerting and superb award tracking ... One of the
>> best written and best supported (http:/groups.yahoo.com/group/DXLab)
>> packages available.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
> 100% agree.
>
>
>
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> AC0H
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[Don Wilhelm-4]

  Ian,

If your interest is mainly for digital modes, you might want to look at
Fldigi along with Hamlib.
If you want a K3 control application, then look at the N4PY software.
IMHO, HRD is the most complete, but it does have problems when coupled
with the P3 - the intense polling of HRD is its primary downfall, but
when it does the job, it does it quite well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/19/2011 3:27 PM, Iain Haywood wrote:
> Any suggestions for a general HRD type software for windows that
> implements the comms with the K3 is a good way that wont crash my poor
> old overworked PC?
>
> 73's
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[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2011 19 Jun 19:55 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>   Ian,
>
> If your interest is mainly for digital modes, you might want to look at
> Fldigi along with Hamlib.

I will caution that as of this time the Hamlib version, 1,2,12, compiled
with Fldigi does not have good K3 support.  I rewrote the K3 backend
over the winter and solved various issues including correctly supporting
the K3's DATA mode.  Unfortunately, Dave, W1HKJ wishes to have Hamlib
compiled as part of the Fldigi application for convenience of those
installing his Windows builds of Fldigi, but changes we needed to make
with the GNU Build System in Hamlib has left him unable to do so since
the release of Hamlib 1.2.13 back in February which has the improved K3
support.

We continue to work with Dave to resolve this issue.  Note that this
only affects the Windows, Mac OS/X, and binary tarball for Linux
releases directly from http://www.w1hkj.com  For those tracking Linux
distributions such as Debian Testing/Unstable, or one of the later
releases of Ubuntu and derivatives, this is not an issue as Hamlib is
updated separately.  Other distributions such as Fedora and OpenSUSE
also track Hamlib releases (the latest is Hamlib 1.2.13.1 which now
queries the K3 for the firmware version and is the only K3 update since
1.2.13).

I am hoping to convice Dave to link to Hamlib dynamically in the future
so that interested parties can download our Win32 Hamlib releases and
keep Hamlib up-to-date separately.  Hamlib 1.2.14 is in development and
is planned to be released around August 1, 2011.

For the Hamlib Group, http://www.hamlib.org

73, de Nate N0NB >>

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[M0XDF]

MacLoggerDX - best software support on a Mac imho.
and you can interface cocoaModem with it.
73 de M0XDF
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On 19 Jun 2011, at 23:26, Don Putnick wrote:

> Kok Chen W7AN develops high-quality freeware on the Mac side of the house, cocoaModem for the digital modes for example. Unfortunately he doesn't have rig control software. What are people using for the Mac/K3 combination, short of running Windows apps under Wine?
> 73 Don NA6Z K3 #5495
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Estep <[hidden email]>
> {snip]
>> We need to
>> recruit some guys from Apple and Google and Intel and EA to get passionate
>> about ham radio!
>> Tony KT0NY

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[VE3NFK]

TRX-Manager;  the author purchased a K3 when it first came out and it has complete
control of the rig  - including equalizer, STeppIR, etc.   I have had no issues. Not 'free',
but you can try it out first.

I am a beta tester.

73  John VE3NFK