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Is there a way to lock the preamp and attenuator functions in the diversity
mode so I only have to hit the preamp to kill both RX preamps or add attenuation to both channels without hitting the B set? Thanks! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Double tap A>B sends all A settings to B but that may not be what you want. You could also set up MACROs for ATT and PRE which would do what you want but the operator would have to know which buttons (e.g. PF1 and PF2) you assign this to. 73, Bill |
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> Double tap A>B sends all A settings to B but that may not be what you
> want. Not. That writes A to B. > You could also set up MACROs for ATT and PRE which would do what you want I have them used up for filter/BW selections. I'm trying to get the radios set up for the 160 contests, and some of this stuff is killing me. The loud click over the air when the radio goes back to RX and the preamps are the major impediments I'm trying to solve. Why wouldn't the preamps/ attenuators track both channels when in diversity on external antennas?? Everything should track, except balance. :-) I guess I can build external attenuators/preamps, but I would rather use the internal. 73 Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Single Tap A>B writes frequency only to B...Double Tap A>B writes everything including PRE/ATT settings. Regarding ganging ATT/PRE in Diversity, I like it the way it is. I often switch from an RX antenna on Main to my TX antenna. I then set ATT on Main only so Gain stays balanced with the other RX antenna on Sub (normally no ATT). 73, Bill |
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> Single Tap A>B writes frequency only to B...Double Tap A>B writes
> everything > including PRE/ATT settings. Exactly, which is a real "operating mess" when someone only wants to turn the preamp on or off. This is unsutable for contest work, and barely useful for normal split operation. I can't think of many cases where, when in diversity on two RX antennas, changes in the preamps or attenuators (and all other controls) would not track. I can understand not tracking amplifier changes when a TX antenna is used with an RX antenna, but not with similar systems on both receivers. I think this is a needed firmware change. When the receivers are in diversity and not on the TX antenna, attenuators or preamps should track. It would much more often be the case, with a good system, that they should track. > Regarding ganging ATT/PRE in Diversity, I like it the way it is. I often > switch from an RX antenna on Main to my TX antenna. I then set ATT on > Main > only so Gain stays balanced with the other RX antenna on Sub (normally no > ATT). Well, it is a disappointing deal breaker for me. I either have to build a box with two preamps and two attenuators in it for two K3's, or use a different system. I cannot see a reason why, when the two external RX ports are selected, the receiver functions would not fully track in diversity. The case I can think of where they should not track is when the TX antenna is used for an RX channel. In that case there should a fixed attenuation offset to equalize the TX down to the RX antenna level, or the station builder should have amplified the RX up to the level of the TX antenna. A good system would have the noise floor of the two channels equalized, and any gain changes for condition changes would then track. I don't know why anyone would want to write the RX frequency into the TX, just so they can turn a preamp off or on when noise levels change or a strong station gets close. That might fly in single frequency operation, or casual operation, but not in a contest or during a pile up! I'd like to find a work around, other than building two boxes with two preamps and two attenuators in each one. Rewriting the TX frequency every time the preamp or attenuator is changed is unacceptable. 73 Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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If you need a macro, but have run out of macro storage, you might consider
developing a small piece of software that does the switching for you with a keystroke on the keyboard or a mouse click. I don't care much for macros (not that they don't serve a good purpose), so I wrote a program to replace macros for rig control. 73, Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:10:26 -0500, "Tom W8JI" <[hidden email]> wrote: W4ZV said: >> You could also set up MACROs for ATT and PRE which would do what you want > W8JI said: >I have them used up for filter/BW selections. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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http://www.autohotkey.com/ 73, Bill |
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>> If you need a macro, but have run out of macro storage, you might
>> consider >> developing a small piece of software that does the switching for you with >> a >> keystroke on the keyboard or a mouse click. >> > > http://www.autohotkey.com/ > > 73, Bill For contest use, with a variety of ops who are already not fond of radios with multiple function buttons, and for use with a variety of logging programs where most keys already do something, it pretty much needs to be a button on the radio or an external box (last resort) I build. The objective is to make things more intuitive and easier to remember and less bothersome. :-) 73 Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> > >I guess I can build external attenuators/preamps, but I would rather >use the internal. > That's funny - those same words are exactly my reason for wanting to keep the preamp/attenuator settings independent, and having them *not* track. As we so often see, there are valid reasons why different users need their K3 to behave in completely opposite ways, so any firmware change would need to be an option in the config menu. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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>>I guess I can build external attenuators/preamps, but I would rather
>>use the internal. >> > > That's funny - those same words are exactly my reason for wanting to > keep the preamp/attenuator settings independent, and having them *not* > track. > > As we so often see, there are valid reasons why different users need > their K3 to behave in completely opposite ways, so any firmware change > would need to be an option in the config menu. The real problem is not the independence, but the fact there is no practical way to change the sub receiver preamp without resetting VFO B to whatever is in VFO A. That totally ruins the ability to quickly throw a pad in on the second receiver during contacts when using split. or when retaining a frequency in VFO B. It is a terrible system when, just to change a preamp or pad, the operator is forced to accept unwanted changes to different settings. 73 Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I use B SET to adjust preamp and other settings when using diversity.
Double tapping to get the same settings is not the way to go for me. However to get both receivers to the same settings it is the best way to go. Perhaps I misunderstand your comment. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom W8JI Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:00 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Diversity mode preamp > Single Tap A>B writes frequency only to B...Double Tap A>B writes > everything including PRE/ATT settings. Exactly, which is a real "operating mess" when someone only wants to turn the preamp on or off. This is unsutable for contest work, and barely useful for normal split operation. I can't think of many cases where, when in diversity on two RX antennas, changes in the preamps or attenuators (and all other controls) would not track. I can understand not tracking amplifier changes when a TX antenna is used with an RX antenna, but not with similar systems on both receivers. I think this is a needed firmware change. When the receivers are in diversity and not on the TX antenna, attenuators or preamps should track. It would much more often be the case, with a good system, that they should track. > Regarding ganging ATT/PRE in Diversity, I like it the way it is. I > often switch from an RX antenna on Main to my TX antenna. I then set > ATT on Main only so Gain stays balanced with the other RX antenna on > Sub (normally no ATT). Well, it is a disappointing deal breaker for me. I either have to build a box with two preamps and two attenuators in it for two K3's, or use a different system. I cannot see a reason why, when the two external RX ports are selected, the receiver functions would not fully track in diversity. The case I can think of where they should not track is when the TX antenna is used for an RX channel. In that case there should a fixed attenuation offset to equalize the TX down to the RX antenna level, or the station builder should have amplified the RX up to the level of the TX antenna. A good system would have the noise floor of the two channels equalized, and any gain changes for condition changes would then track. I don't know why anyone would want to write the RX frequency into the TX, just so they can turn a preamp off or on when noise levels change or a strong station gets close. That might fly in single frequency operation, or casual operation, but not in a contest or during a pile up! I'd like to find a work around, other than building two boxes with two preamps and two attenuators in each one. Rewriting the TX frequency every time the preamp or attenuator is changed is unacceptable. 73 Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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And using B SET is about the most cumbersome operation imaginable to simply check (or set) subrx preamp. Barry N1EU |
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> And using B SET is about the most cumbersome operation imaginable to
> simply > check (or set) subrx preamp. Right. It is all too cumbersome for a contest change, although the push and hold A/B for B set at least does not rewrite the VFO. The problem is contest use, and complicated by guest ops. I want guests to like what they use, and not go away disliking something. It doesn't matter how great a non-contesting solution is, or a TX antenna solution. That isn't helpful to my situation, where it has to be easy and fast and only change one thing. \ :-) Anyway, this is enough for now. It looks like there is no solution at the moment and no need to drag this out further. Thanks, Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I rarely do contests, so I am not able to understand the "all too
cumbersome" comment. I find for my dx chasing, diversity, etc., the current set up is what I need. I don't disagree that some other menu settings might work better for what you want. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom W8JI Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:05 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Diversity mode preamp > And using B SET is about the most cumbersome operation imaginable to > simply check (or set) subrx preamp. Right. It is all too cumbersome for a contest change, although the push and hold A/B for B set at least does not rewrite the VFO. The problem is contest use, and complicated by guest ops. I want guests to like what they use, and not go away disliking something. It doesn't matter how great a non-contesting solution is, or a TX antenna solution. That isn't helpful to my situation, where it has to be easy and fast and only change one thing. \ :-) Anyway, this is enough for now. It looks like there is no solution at the moment and no need to drag this out further. Thanks, Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Macros?
Wayne N6KR On Nov 21, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Barry N1EU wrote: > > Bill K9YEQ wrote >> >> I use B SET to adjust preamp and other settings when using diversity. >> > And using B SET is about the most cumbersome operation imaginable to > simply > check (or set) subrx preamp. > > Barry N1EU > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Diversity-mode-preamp-tp7015033p7018101.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Wayne,
I would think that could work for those who need them... there are bunch already written and shared in the reflector that may address this. This may not apply to this thread... I don't know that all users have the time or are PC literate enough even when it comes to doing macros. That does for some require above low average PC knowledge. I don't write this to demean anyone, but I do work with many customers who need a significant amount of hand holding to understand the process and then the required steps. Perhaps there is an opportunity here. This is a radio which is SDR. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- Macros? Wayne N6KR On Nov 21, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Barry N1EU wrote: [WRJ] > And using B SET is about the most cumbersome operation imaginable to > simply check (or set) subrx preamp. > > Barry N1EU ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Maybe I am missing something but won't <A/B> <preamp/att on/off> <A/B> work? This should have no side effects at all. I don't have the subreceiver but often use split and I do any changes to the B side this way. BSET is another button I never use. AB2TC - Knut
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> Maybe I am missing something but won't <A/B> <preamp/att on/off> <A/B>
> work? > This should have no side effects at all. I don't have the subreceiver but > often use split and I do any changes to the B side this way. BSET is > another > button I never use. Because: 1.) the operator is busy making two or three QSO's per minute, barely keeping up with logging keystrokes 2.) unfamiliar with the radio already, and the buttons are close together and serve multiple functions 3.) has to remember what to do while distracted by a dozen other things 4.) will get totally hosed if something goes wrong by a mistake It is competition use under pressure where the operator barely keeps up, which is different from other use. I understand the goals of this are entirely different than a small front panel and people having time to think about what to do, and mistakes are not devastating. I don't think there is a solution here for now, because I think the problem is too specific to contesting with diversity on multiple receiving antennas. Thanks for all the responses. I'm fully satisfied and appreciate all the input. 73 Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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So, what the K3 really needs then is a contest oriented application on a computer. Maybe something rich like PowerSDR but works with the K3 in a manner where contesting features (logging and contest log management) along with sophisticated macro control from a visual controls perspective.
Indeed, now that I think about it, this would be a great application if it were designed to be configurable per each contester. Arrangements of controls on the screen, sophisticated macro control via custom U/I, and other nifty features. Thus, instead of sitting in front of the K3 with its small format presentation and the overload commands on the buttons, the computer would be much more useful if all K3 functions were available. Of course, it should be written on a Mac, or maybe an iPad. 73, phil, K7PEH On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: >> Maybe I am missing something but won't <A/B> <preamp/att on/off> <A/B> >> work? >> This should have no side effects at all. I don't have the subreceiver but >> often use split and I do any changes to the B side this way. BSET is >> another >> button I never use. > > > Because: > > 1.) the operator is busy making two or three QSO's per minute, barely > keeping up with logging keystrokes > > 2.) unfamiliar with the radio already, and the buttons are close together > and serve multiple functions > > 3.) has to remember what to do while distracted by a dozen other things > > 4.) will get totally hosed if something goes wrong by a mistake > > It is competition use under pressure where the operator barely keeps up, > which is different from other use. > > I understand the goals of this are entirely different than a small front > panel and people having time to think about what to do, and mistakes are not > devastating. > > I don't think there is a solution here for now, because I think the problem > is too specific to contesting with diversity on multiple receiving antennas. > > Thanks for all the responses. I'm fully satisfied and appreciate all the > input. > > 73 Tom > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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There are very few things important during a contest that N1MM does not already do, and the ones that it does not do would be very clumsy on a screen even if the K3 allowed it. And I own an iPad, but I cannot think of a less efficient interface for doing a serious contest. Dave AB7E On 11/22/2011 8:48 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > So, what the K3 really needs then is a contest oriented application on a computer. Maybe something rich like PowerSDR but works with the K3 in a manner where contesting features (logging and contest log management) along with sophisticated macro control from a visual controls perspective. > > Indeed, now that I think about it, this would be a great application if it were designed to be configurable per each contester. Arrangements of controls on the screen, sophisticated macro control via custom U/I, and other nifty features. > > Thus, instead of sitting in front of the K3 with its small format presentation and the overload commands on the buttons, the computer would be much more useful if all K3 functions were available. > > Of course, it should be written on a Mac, or maybe an iPad. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: > >>> Maybe I am missing something but won't<A/B> <preamp/att on/off> <A/B> >>> work? >>> This should have no side effects at all. I don't have the subreceiver but >>> often use split and I do any changes to the B side this way. BSET is >>> another >>> button I never use. >> >> Because: >> >> 1.) the operator is busy making two or three QSO's per minute, barely >> keeping up with logging keystrokes >> >> 2.) unfamiliar with the radio already, and the buttons are close together >> and serve multiple functions >> >> 3.) has to remember what to do while distracted by a dozen other things >> >> 4.) will get totally hosed if something goes wrong by a mistake >> >> It is competition use under pressure where the operator barely keeps up, >> which is different from other use. >> >> I understand the goals of this are entirely different than a small front >> panel and people having time to think about what to do, and mistakes are not >> devastating. >> >> I don't think there is a solution here for now, because I think the problem >> is too specific to contesting with diversity on multiple receiving antennas. >> >> Thanks for all the responses. I'm fully satisfied and appreciate all the >> input. >> >> 73 Tom >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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