Dropping the Code Test

[N2EY]

In a message dated 9/6/05 12:35:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:


> Yes Craig, and each and very one of those guys passed a code test!  

They also passed at least one, and usually several, written tests that
specifically included the regulations. Yet they broke the rules anyway.


Yes
>
> indeedy, that ole' Morse code sure does serve as a mighty fine filter to
> keep the riff raff out.
>


Apply the same logic to the written test. Should the writtens be eliminated
too, since they're not a perfect "riff-raff filter" either?

And note this:

What mode are those folks using on 75 meters? It sure isn't Morse Code?

Tune down to the low ends of the bands and see if you can find the same
behaviors from hams using Morse Code.

Read the FCC enforcement letters (ARRL website is one source) and see what
mode most of the alleged violators use. It's not Morse Code, and the disparity
is
not explained by the relative popularity of the modes.

73 de Jim, N2EY
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[daleputnam]

>Those who worry about ham radio becoming another citizen's band need only
>scan 75M at night. They're too late. :-)
>
>Craig
>
Until a cw op pops up in the middle... calls cq, gets and answer, has a
chat, sez 73, then moves on, and someone on ssb says, what was that?

The long haul cw nts ops are fading fast, the long haul cw need is fading
until you look at the contest and the niche need.

Yes, we need a long range, "big picture", type, that understands that
trunked radio is only the next step, not the end, and the lost cw
requirement can be phased out, along with the test. There are a whole truck
load of other "filters" or valid test questions that can be, and should be
put into the requirements for holding an amateur license.
(Tongue firmly placed) One of which could be, which dielect is necessary to
speak into a mic on 75 meters after 6 pm local time? Would it be more
correct to add a bit of a drawl too?

Humor, sometimes gets me past the sense of loss........

and it doesn't even have to be real good either.

Seriously, if VHF phone works best in most emergencies, then use it. If the
long haul ops are not used much in most, then by all means, let the traffic
pass as effeciently as possible. If data doesn't work well, in emergency
situations... and so far it doesn't, then find another proving ground for
it, rather than try to force it to work anyway.
Have we used all the feasible methods available to utilize the modes and
means we have? Have we really tried it all? Are we waiting for someone else
to do it first?  Hey George? Are you there?
Albert? Alexander? The Wright bros? Anyone listening yet?
You folks were all doing it first... gee... someone has to... why not us?
And Elecraft has done it first too... just look at the specs... try that
with any other...
But is Elecraft just sitting back and resting? I find that real tuff to
believe! So... with all the examples of how and why.... what are you doing ?
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Dale WC7S qrp in WY


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[Nick Waterman]

Dave Lowenstein wrote:
> The disadvantage of "no-code" is that if new hams aren't required to
> learn CW, how are they going to be able handle emergency traffic from
> our low-powered battery-operated K1's and K2's?

... because "no-code" is a gateway drug   ;-)

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[Ron D'Eau Claire-2]

I hope this isn't too far afield, but I'll take the chance in order for the
CW ops here looking for a new challenge to hear about it.

I do NOT want to start a long thread about the value of CW and emergency
nets. I DO want to pass along some information about a gang who isn't just
talking, but who are doing something about it: the gang at the National
Emergency Radio Network (NREN). Jim Wades at NREN is asking for more
participation from CW ops who want to get involved, up close and personal.

Most importantly, you do NOT have to be an experienced CW "hotshot" to be a
valuable participant.

 Here's what Jim has to say:

----------------------------------

Are you tired of the unprofessional methods heard during disaster
operations?

Numerous radio amateurs have complained about the lack of professionalism
present on various SSB nets during Hurricane Katrina.  While many of the
organizations sponsoring these nets have the best intentions, the fact
remains than an alternative is needed.

The answer to these problems is simple:   CW

The Amateur Radio response to Hurricane Katrina was problematic for several
reasons:

The lack of VHF coverage and repeaters, many of which were damaged or
destroyed, severely handicapped most ARES operators who had come to rely
extensively on VHF-FM.

Few HF phone operators in the disaster area could get up and running without
access to generators or the gasoline to run them.

Radio amateurs were unskilled in the use of proper message formats and
emergency communications methods.

NREN does not wish to compete with voice nets, many of which are doing the
best they can.  Likewise, we do not wish to replace existing ARES programs,
which serve a valuable local purpose.  Rather, our goal is to recruit CW
operators who wish to be properly trained and prepared to provide real,
professional grade emergency communications when the time comes.

CW offers many advantages for disaster communications.  Here are some facts:

CW Nets typically clear traffic three to four times faster than voice nets.

A simple, battery operated CW transceiver operating at 10-watts will have
the same reliability as a SSB station operating at 50 to 100-watts.  This
means a CW operator can establish and maintain communications for days
regardless of the availability of gasoline or AC mains.

CW Nets are typically uncluttered by the many inexperienced operators who
swoop down on unsuspecting voice nets only to clutter-up operations.

Portable CW equipment is simple, reliable, and consumes less power than
digital stations requiring notebook computers, printers, and other
peripherals.

How can you get involved?

Whether you are a CW operator, or you simply wish to become one, NREN is
developing a program to properly train radio amateurs to effectively handle
emergency communications via CW.  Our program will include practice
broadcasts with simulated messages, regular nets, periodic emergency drills,
and a periodic electronic newsletter with training information.

Our goal is not to compete with existing ARES, RACES or NTS programs, but
rather to compliment them with a quality grade of service.  We simply wish
to offer an alternative for the serious radio amateur; the radio amateur who
wants to provide a professional grade of service without disruption from
those that simply choose not to learn proper procedures and standard
methods.

NREN members will be encouraged to support local ARES and NTS groups, but we
hope NREN will be a primary resource for you in time of emergency.

Amateur Radio is full of competent CW operators including DX contesters,
"rag chewers," and others who regularly use CW.   These individuals can
easily develop the skills necessary to provide a real service to their
community if or when the "big one" hits.

If you were disappointed with the "Keystone Cops" style of response so
evident on 75 and 20-meter phone, register with NREN today!

Join by sending a simple e-mail to the NREN General Manage at:
[hidden email]

In the subject line, simply state "Join NREN" to be added to the list

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You can learn more about NREN at their website:
http://68.43.101.244:81/nren/

73,

Ron AC7AC

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[Kevin Rock]

Thank you Ron!!!
    My note is in the mail.
       VY 73,
          Kevin.   KD5ONS


On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:19:35 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> I hope this isn't too far afield, but I'll take the chance in order for
> the
> CW ops here looking for a new challenge to hear about it.
>
... (ancillary detail elided)

>
> Join by sending a simple e-mail to the NREN General Manage at:
> [hidden email]
>
> In the subject line, simply state "Join NREN" to be added to the list
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> You can learn more about NREN at their website:
> http://68.43.101.244:81/nren/
>
> 73,
>
> Ron AC7AC

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[EricJ-2]

I don't want to start up the CW vs SSB thread again either. But I have spent
at least an hour every day on google and Alta Vista since Katrina hit
searching for ANY evidence that hams used CW for Katrina traffic and I'm
coming up blank. I went to the NREN web site and their newsletter hasn't
been posted for a year. I went to their Announcements page and they listed
several dozen SSB nets covering the Gulf States, but not a single CW net.

Does NREN have any statistics about the number of messages they have been
able to handle concerning Hurricane Katrina?

Has anyone on here handled any Katrina traffic with CW?

I talked to everyone I could find in emergency communications at the SW ARRL
Convention here in Riverside this weekend. That included two clubs that are
very active in their respective cities, including receiving grants for
equipment. None of their specially designed emergency response trailers have
HF capability and none of them have ever used CW in a real or simulated
emergency. VHF, UHF, FM, packet, even ATV aboard police helicopters tied
into the FLIR camera, but no CW.

Would someone please tell me what is going on with CW in emergency
communications. I seem to be the only one who can't see any evidence of it
being used. I'm going to write Jim Wades as well. Maybe he can give me a
lead.

I would dearly like to write some articles showing CW's role in emergency
communication, but its tough without any facts to go on.

Offline answers would be great.

Eric
KE6US
www.ke6us.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:20 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] An Opportunity for CW Ops

I hope this isn't too far afield, but I'll take the chance in order for the
CW ops here looking for a new challenge to hear about it.

I do NOT want to start a long thread about the value of CW and emergency
nets. I DO want to pass along some information about a gang who isn't just
talking, but who are doing something about it: the gang at the National
Emergency Radio Network (NREN). Jim Wades at NREN is asking for more
participation from CW ops who want to get involved, up close and personal.
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[Ron D'Eau Claire-2]

Eric, KE6US wrote:
Does NREN have any statistics about the number of messages they have been
able to handle concerning Hurricane Katrina?

-----------------------------

You might ask NREN. My sense is that they're trying to stimulate interest in
using CW. Clearly, it is not a major traffic mode today. It requires
dedication and training to be ready to handle traffic. At one time I ran CW
nets for the US Army and I'm a commercial radiotelegraph licensee, but I can
tell you I'm scrambling when I try follow proper procedure on a directed net
today. My hat's off to any "casual" CW ops who stumble into a traffic net
and stick it out. The training program NREN is trying to set up sounds
great.

After all these years, I'll in as a student myself if I can schedule the
hours free (I work odd hours). It's been 30 years since I participated in a
CW traffic net.

Ron AC7AC

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[johnny-52]

Hi Group,

I have read so many message about emergency net in US.  I am interested in
knowing whether K2 has been greatly used in emergency communication.  Can I
have your advice?

73

Johnny Siu VR2XMC
builder of s/n 1146, 4225, 4165 .......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] An Opportunity for CW Ops


Eric, KE6US wrote:
Does NREN have any statistics about the number of messages they have been
able to handle concerning Hurricane Katrina?

-----------------------------

You might ask NREN. My sense is that they're trying to stimulate interest in
using CW. Clearly, it is not a major traffic mode today. It requires
dedication and training to be ready to handle traffic. At one time I ran CW
nets for the US Army and I'm a commercial radiotelegraph licensee, but I can
tell you I'm scrambling when I try follow proper procedure on a directed net
today. My hat's off to any "casual" CW ops who stumble into a traffic net
and stick it out. The training program NREN is trying to set up sounds
great.

After all these years, I'll in as a student myself if I can schedule the
hours free (I work odd hours). It's been 30 years since I participated in a
CW traffic net.

Ron AC7AC

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[Kevin Rock]

There are still a few traffic nets out there.  I worked with one for a few
years but have let my skills erode lately due to other endeavors.  
Training does take time and the skills need to be honed at least weekly if
not more often.

During last year's spate of hurricanes through Florida I worked a couple
of ops passing H&W traffic out of the area.  It is more difficult to
insert the messages into the NTS than to receive the traffic due to the
cyclic nature of NTS.  NREN wants to handle NTS format radiograms on a
more regular basis when needed and pass them into section and region NTS
nets when possible.  The site listed by Ron earlier today and by Conard on
the Glowbug list has all of the details.

CW is efficient but proficiency is required.  Even voice handling of
traffic takes training and practice to do correctly and efficiently.
    Kevin.  KD5ONS



On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:55:37 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Eric, KE6US wrote:
> Does NREN have any statistics about the number of messages they have been
> able to handle concerning Hurricane Katrina?
>
> -----------------------------
>
> You might ask NREN. My sense is that they're trying to stimulate
> interest in
> using CW. Clearly, it is not a major traffic mode today. It requires
> dedication and training to be ready to handle traffic. At one time I ran
> CW
> nets for the US Army and I'm a commercial radiotelegraph licensee, but I
> can
> tell you I'm scrambling when I try follow proper procedure on a directed
> net
> today. My hat's off to any "casual" CW ops who stumble into a traffic net
> and stick it out. The training program NREN is trying to set up sounds
> great.
>
> After all these years, I'll in as a student myself if I can schedule the
> hours free (I work odd hours). It's been 30 years since I participated
> in a
> CW traffic net.
>
> Ron AC7AC

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[EricJ-2]

Same here. I used to run a lot of CW traffic on ham bands and MARS when I
worked at K2USA. Three of us opened it a few days after the AK Earthquake in
Mar '64. We probably ran half our traffic on CW at the time. I hear all
kinds of optimistic figures about CW today, but frankly the throughput was
about the same on SSB/AM and CW with experienced operators at both ends. On
MARS frequencies, we had a couple of Army radio ops we borrowed from another
outfit on a semi-permanent basis. They ran traffic on the MATN net at
50-55wpm, but it didn't make that much difference at the end of the month. I
had the mandatory records to show it.

OK, thanks for the info. I'll contact Jim, but it looks like another dead
end as far as finding an actual use of CW during Hurricane Katrina. Time to
stick a fork in it and move on.

Eric
KE6US
www.ke6us.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 6:56 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] An Opportunity for CW Ops

Eric, KE6US wrote:
Does NREN have any statistics about the number of messages they have been
able to handle concerning Hurricane Katrina?

-----------------------------

You might ask NREN. My sense is that they're trying to stimulate interest in
using CW. Clearly, it is not a major traffic mode today. It requires
dedication and training to be ready to handle traffic. At one time I ran CW
nets for the US Army and I'm a commercial radiotelegraph licensee, but I can
tell you I'm scrambling when I try follow proper procedure on a directed net
today. My hat's off to any "casual" CW ops who stumble into a traffic net
and stick it out. The training program NREN is trying to set up sounds
great.

After all these years, I'll in as a student myself if I can schedule the
hours free (I work odd hours). It's been 30 years since I participated in a
CW traffic net.

Ron AC7AC

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[Stuart Rohre]

Craig,
You ARE on the wrong frequencies, listen on 40 by day and 80 by night to
Gulf Coast nets.
Stuart
K5KVH



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[Jason Artz]

I had some health and welfare traffic I wanted to get
onto NTS last week.  I have never operated on a
traffic net, and the instructions I found online for
checking into a CW NTS net were complicated and I
didn't feel confident about it.  I e-mailed the
traffic to another ham who was active on a voice NTS
net and got the traffic in that way.

My only rig is a K1 and I was looking forward to
submitting some traffic via CW, but I'll need to
practice net procedure/message formatting in advance.

73,
Jason
AK7V

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[M. P. Haynes]

Hi Jason and all Elecrafters,
 
I've been watching the thread regarding CW traffic nets.  My suggestion
is to get a copy of the Net Directory from ARRL at your next hamfest or
order one directly from Newington.  It lists all nets, both traffic and
casual nets, by frequency, function and scheduled times.  Then just dial
them up and listen to the proceedings.  The directory also includes a
good description of the NTS, net procedures and message format.  

There are any number of training nets (slow speed generally) as well as
section
and region nets.  You will hear lots of short cuts on some of the nets
while others follow a strict, military style.  Some things you will hear
may be confusing at first.  For instance the net control may call two
stations sequentially then tell them "U4 4RN2", which translated means up
four kilohertz and pass two messages for the fourth region.  You will
also need copies of the ARRL numbered Radiograms and the listing of "Q"
signals for net use.  All of this info is included in the Net Directory
as well as other ARRL publications like "the pink sheet", Operating An
Amateur Radio Station, the ARRL Handbook, Public Service Communications
as well as others.  

Listen a little and then jump in and get your feet
wet when you feel a little more comfortable.  You will be more than
welcome, believe me.
 
Pat Haynes, K4BEH
ORS, EC
Building K2 #5061
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[crmabbott]

Here is web page, just watch the steps it is straight forward and most NCS
like QMN, etc. will slow down and go at your speed...
http://www.qsl.net/w8ihx/procedur.html


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Artz" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] An Opportunity for CW Ops

>I had some health and welfare traffic I wanted to get
> onto NTS last week.  I have never operated on a
> traffic net, and the instructions I found online for
> checking into a CW NTS net were complicated and I
> didn't feel confident about it.  I e-mailed the
> traffic to another ham who was active on a voice NTS
> net and got the traffic in that way.
>
> My only rig is a K1 and I was looking forward to
> submitting some traffic via CW, but I'll need to
> practice net procedure/message formatting in advance.
>
> 73,
> Jason
> AK7V
>
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[Stuart Rohre]

hello all,
You can go to ARRL.org web site and download lists of nets by area, freq.,
mode, etc.

73,
Stuart
K5KVH



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[Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU]

Yesterday was AmTech day, a local operating event hosted by the FARS
club, on the site of Stanford's Linear Accelerator.  The site provides
park-like facilities, plus meeting rooms, but the hams provide the
rest.  It is a fun activity and something to cnsider for your own club,
especially if you open it to general hams as the FARS club does.

I brought my K2, KX1, and the antenna I made on FD morning with 44ft of
wire and 300 Ohm twinlead from The Wireman, supported by two fishing
poles and a tree.

There is a good mix of operating and eyeballing, and plenty of OMs and
YLs I know showed up, as well as a number of new faces.  I showed my K2
to quite a few people, and a few tried it in CPO mode but nobody used it
for a QSO.

I got back to casual contesting in the Salmon Run, and answered an OM in
Colorado, who gave me a 559, but when it was my turn to give the poutput
power (part of the exchange) I noticed that somehow the knob had gotten
turned all the way down!  So I sent 0R1W 1TTMW and had a good chuckle.  
I don't know the exact power out in this situation, so I just gave him
the requested power reading.

The talks were promising, but I arrived too late in the afternoon to
join them, and wanted to get operating.  I did get to see the K6WX
portable vertival beam in action (on a K2) and they worked the World
Bank in Washington, DC, and N6DQ reportedly showed his SDR1000 to a good
crowd as well.

73,
Leig / WA5ZNU
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[Nick Waterman]

Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:
> Yesterday was AmTech day, a local operating event hosted by the FARS
> club, on the site of Stanford's Linear Accelerator.  The site provides
> park-like facilities, plus meeting rooms, but the hams provide the
> rest.

Linear accelerator as in... stonking great electromagnets? Any
interesting QRM?   :-)

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[Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU]

Nick,
The linac part is long and mostly far away.
We were in the campus part.  They are pretty safety oriented there, so I
wasn't concerned.

When I was at MIT, the Plasma Fusion Center had their computation
facilities a floor above the magnets, and when there was a pulse, all
the monitors got really weird & wavy.  The place looked just like a
movie idea of a mad scientist's lair -- a raised dais with a semicircle
of 10ft tall racks of equipment with blinkenlights and oscilloscopes,
every one showing a sine wave.

0R73,
Leigh / WA5ZNU
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:45 am, Nick Waterman wrote:
> Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:
>> Yesterday was AmTech day, a local operating event hosted by the FARS
>> club, on the site of Stanford's Linear Accelerator.  The site provides
>> park-like facilities, plus meeting rooms, but the hams provide the
>> rest.
>
> Linear accelerator as in... stonking great electromagnets? Any
> interesting QRM?   :-)
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[rrennard]

The last time I visited SLAC was about a decade ago.  They were busy
building the nearly perfect aluminum coated quartz spheres that are the
essence of the free rotor gyroscopes flying on Gravity Probe B.  I think the
analogy regarding the sphericity was something like "if the spheres were as
large as the earth, the difference between the lowest ocean trench, and
highest peak was on the order of a few yards".

N7WY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leigh L Klotz, Jr." <[hidden email]>
To: "Nick Waterman" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AmTech K2 milliwatting

> Nick,
> The linac part is long and mostly far away.
> We were in the campus part.  They are pretty safety oriented there, so I
> wasn't concerned.
>
> When I was at MIT, the Plasma Fusion Center had their computation
> facilities a floor above the magnets, and when there was a pulse, all
> the monitors got really weird & wavy.  The place looked just like a
> movie idea of a mad scientist's lair -- a raised dais with a semicircle
> of 10ft tall racks of equipment with blinkenlights and oscilloscopes,
> every one showing a sine wave.
>
> 0R73,
> Leigh / WA5ZNU
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:45 am, Nick Waterman wrote:
> > Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:
> >> Yesterday was AmTech day, a local operating event hosted by the FARS
> >> club, on the site of Stanford's Linear Accelerator.  The site provides
> >> park-like facilities, plus meeting rooms, but the hams provide the
> >> rest.
> >
> > Linear accelerator as in... stonking great electromagnets? Any
> > interesting QRM?   :-)
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