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KGØUS

Dueling CQ During Mixed Mode 10 Meter Contest

I was hoping that there would be dueling CQ mode in Writelog when operating both
CW and Phone during the recent 10 meter contest. During slow times, I wanted
Writelog to alternate log entry focus between CW and Phone while alternately
transmitting CQ in CW using the K1EL keyer, and then in Phone using a
prerecorded wav file. I realize that there is a mode change involved but I
thought that it might be possible given that everything occurs on the same band.

Is this possible in any of the modern day contest logging programs?

73,
Dave KG0US
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Jim Rhodes-2

Re: Dueling CQ During Mixed Mode 10 Meter Contest

In RTTY contests we can define the 2 receivers as 2 different radios (2
instances of K3 in ports using same com port) I have not heard of anyone
doing this in any other mode and certainly not in mixed mode. But it might
be possible for the WriteLog code to be updated to allow this. Doesn't
happen in too many contests though. It would be waaay cool.

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On Dec 24, 2012 12:35 AM, "DR" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I was hoping that there would be dueling CQ mode in Writelog when
> operating both
> CW and Phone during the recent 10 meter contest. During slow times, I
> wanted
> Writelog to alternate log entry focus between CW and Phone while
> alternately
> transmitting CQ in CW using the K1EL keyer, and then in Phone using a
> prerecorded wav file. I realize that there is a mode change involved but I
> thought that it might be possible given that everything occurs on the same
> band.
>
> Is this possible in any of the modern day contest logging programs?
>
> 73,
> Dave KG0US
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Jim Rhodes-2

Re: Dueling CQ During Mixed Mode 10 Meter Contest

You know, it might just work. You have 2 entry windows and 2 rigs defined.
I am not home till Fri but will try it it then. Have to define 2 sets of
messages using only what keys you get. Would be killer if it works.

Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
On Dec 24, 2012 5:01 AM, "Jim Rhodes" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> In RTTY contests we can define the 2 receivers as 2 different radios (2
> instances of K3 in ports using same com port) I have not heard of anyone
> doing this in any other mode and certainly not in mixed mode. But it might
> be possible for the WriteLog code to be updated to allow this. Doesn't
> happen in too many contests though. It would be waaay cool.
>
> Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
> On Dec 24, 2012 12:35 AM, "DR" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I was hoping that there would be dueling CQ mode in Writelog when
>> operating both
>> CW and Phone during the recent 10 meter contest. During slow times, I
>> wanted
>> Writelog to alternate log entry focus between CW and Phone while
>> alternately
>> transmitting CQ in CW using the K1EL keyer, and then in Phone using a
>> prerecorded wav file. I realize that there is a mode change involved but
>> I
>> thought that it might be possible given that everything occurs on the
>> same band.
>>
>> Is this possible in any of the modern day contest logging programs?
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave KG0US
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Ted Bryant

Re: Dueling CQ During Mixed Mode 10 Meter Contest

This will work in N1MM Logger with two radios (SO2R)

Season's Greetings,
Ted W4NZ

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You know, it might just work. You have 2 entry windows and 2 rigs defined.
I am not home till Fri but will try it it then. Have to define 2 sets of
messages using only what keys you get. Would be killer if it works.

Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
On Dec 24, 2012 5:01 AM, "Jim Rhodes" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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jeff stai-2

Re: Dueling CQ During Mixed Mode 10 Meter Contest

In reply to this post by KGØUS

Sounds cool, and as noted is something we can do at least for RTTY, and
might work for other modes and mixed modes.

But given that you have to listen between CQs, that's a long time between
CQs in each mode:

CW-listen-phone-listen-CW-listen-phone...

I think you'd be better off just calling a tighter cycle in one mode at a
time, or using true SO2R with a second radio/antenna (if possible). Just my
opinion.

But that said... you would set up Writelog for two radios, and configure
the Ports menu as two K3s on the same control port. Then in the entry
windows L and R you can select the VFO and mode for each window.

At that point you may find that Writelog can handle the mixed mode, but if
it can't, you could diddle the mode between CQs (and hopefully don't mess
up...)

good luck and 73 - jeff wk6i

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KGØUS

Re: Dueling CQ During Mixed Mode 10 Meter Contest

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Thanks Ted.

I wanted to do SO2V mixed mode with a single K3 during the 10 meter contest.

I had not seriously done a 10 meter contest in a while and I was hoping that this was already perfected in N1MM or Writelog. I played around with it for a little while but I could not get it to work properly.

73,

Dave KG0US

KGØUS

Re: Dueling CQ During Mixed Mode 10 Meter Contest

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In reply to this post by jeff stai-2

Hi Jeff,

"But given that you have to listen between CQs, that's a long time between
CQs in each mode:

CW-listen-phone-listen-CW-listen-phone...

I think you'd be better off just calling a tighter cycle in one mode at a
time, or using true SO2R with a second radio/antenna (if possible). Just my
opinion."

I would mainly use the dueling CQ on mixed mode during the 10 meter contest when it would be very slow in an attempt to generate some activity.
Also, I would like to transmit the wav file first, then immediately transmit the CW using full QSK. Using full QSK, I would hopefully be able to hear a phone station coming back to me in between my CW dots and dashes. If I heard a phone station, I would simply hit the ESC key and work them. I would like a 1.5 second to 2 second pause after the CW transmission before continuing with the phone wav file transmission.

This might be totally crazy, and it may cause undesirable interference products, but I would like it if I could transmit both the wav CQ on phone and the CW CQ pseudo simultaneously. I know that the phone operators listening to my CQ would hear the CW gaps but I think that it would still be intelligible. If this where possible then there would only be one gap for listening.

Lastly, I did setup my K3 with phone on the main receiver and CW on the 2nd receiver. I was hoping to search up and down the CW portion of the band in the gaps between phone wav CQs. However Writelog would not transmit in CW after I found someone to work in the CW portion of the band. I switched focus to the second call entry window and pressed F4 (my callsign) and nothing happened.

73,
Dave KG0US

jeff stai-2

Re: Dueling CQ During Mixed Mode 10 Meter Contest

hi Dave - That was me, not Ted. No worries. Sometimes it hard to sort out.

The full QSK idea sounds worth trying once you get it all working. Since
most of my contesting is RTTY I hadn't considered that.

The interlaced CW and phone transmit sounds crazy but could work - as long
as it switches cleanly (as you noted). You could model it to hear how it
sounds by rigging a CW signal to selectively mute a received phone signal.
I don't have a clear idea on how to do that (as I type) but I bet someone
here does. I do think it would elicit a lot of "hey, your transmit audio is
all chopped up" reports, but in a slow band that's OK ;)

have fun and good luck! - jeff wk6i

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:38 PM, KGØUS <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Ted,
>
> "But given that you have to listen between CQs, that's a long time between
> CQs in each mode:
>
> CW-listen-phone-listen-CW-listen-phone...
>
> I think you'd be better off just calling a tighter cycle in one mode at a
> time, or using true SO2R with a second radio/antenna (if possible). Just my
> opinion."
>
> I would mainly use the dueling CQ on mixed mode during the 10 meter contest
> when it would be very slow in an attempt to generate some activity.
> Also, I would like to transmit the wav file first, then immediately
> transmit
> the CW using full QSK. Using full QSK, I would hopefully be able to hear a
> phone station coming back to me in between my CW dots and dashes. If I
> heard a phone station, I would simply hit the ESC key and work them. I
> would like a 1.5 second to 2 second pause after the CW transmission before
> continuing with the phone wav file transmission.
>
> This might be totally crazy, and it may cause undesirable interference
> products, but I would like it if I could transmit both the wav CQ on phone
> and the CW CQ pseudo simultaneously. I know that the phone operators
> listening to my CQ would hear the CW gaps but I think that it would still
> be
> intelligible. If this where possible then there would only be one gap for
> listening.
>
> Lastly, I did setup my K3 with phone on the main receiver and CW on the
> 2nd
> receiver. I was hoping to search up and down the CW portion of the band in
> the gaps between phone wav CQs. However Writelog would not transmit in CW
> after I found someone to work in the CW portion of the band. I switched
> focus to the second call entry window and pressed F4 (my callsign) and
> nothing happened.
>
> 73,
> Dave KG0US
>
>
>
>
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