ECO for SPOT Control
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I would like to suggest an "upgrade" for the SPOT control function. As you know, the SPOT function changes the Main VFO's frequency to "Beat Frequency" a CW signal. This function is wonderful when used to tune in a received signal within the CWT area. However, if after sending a CQ, and having someone answer you, you hit the SPOT control, you once again move your Main VFO off frequency. This risks the other party answering your CQ from being able to find you once again.
My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a RIT only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button is NOT engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. OR if the XIT button is engaged, then the SPOT function would also work as it does currently. Having the SPOT work as a RIT control when the RIT button is engaged, would make it MUCH easier for a user (contester etc..) to send a CQ, wait for an answer, then align the K3 to the answering parties BFO frequency, without moving the Main VFO frequency. Thus, Making the RIT knob a secondary tool for finding people too "off center" to capture in the CWT area. I would love to see some feedback on this new feature, and ask that it gets implemented in the software if enough people agree with me. If you don't understand, or need further explanation please let me know. Michael Aretsky N6MQL Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. See how it works. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi Michael,
That is a meaningful and outstanding suggestion. I would really like to see Elecraft add it to the "List". Frank - W6NEK ----- Original Message ----- From: The Smiths To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: [Elecraft] ECO for SPOT Control I would like to suggest an "upgrade" for the SPOT control function. As you know, the SPOT function changes the Main VFO's frequency to "Beat Frequency" a CW signal. This function is wonderful when used to tune in a received signal within the CWT area. However, if after sending a CQ, and having someone answer you, you hit the SPOT control, you once again move your Main VFO off frequency. This risks the other party answering your CQ from being able to find you once again. My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a RIT only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button is NOT engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. OR if the XIT button is engaged, then the SPOT function would also work as it does currently. Having the SPOT work as a RIT control when the RIT button is engaged, would make it MUCH easier for a user (contester etc..) to send a CQ, wait for an answer, then align the K3 to the answering parties BFO frequency, without moving the Main VFO frequency. Thus, Making the RIT knob a secondary tool for finding people too "off center" to capture in the CWT area. I would love to see some feedback on this new feature, and ask that it gets implemented in the software if enough people agree with me. If you don't understand, or need further explanation please let me know. Michael Aretsky N6MQL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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How would this differ from calling CQ and subsequently
operating throughout a QSO in SPLIT mode? This way, if the other guy drifts, the two of you don't leap-frog up or down in frequency. Using SPLIT seems much easier than twiddling ... and resetting ... the RIT, a control I never use. This is the way I always operate. I did turn on RIT once ... to see if it worked. I could well be missing something, though .... CWT remaining turned on in CW mode is GREAT! Thanks Wayne! CWT is probably my radio's most-used feature. (:-) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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As would I.
73 de K1ESE John W6NEK wrote: > Hi Michael, > That is a meaningful and outstanding suggestion. I would really like to see > Elecraft add it to the "List". > > Frank - W6NEK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Smiths > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:54 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] ECO for SPOT Control > > > I would like to suggest an "upgrade" for the SPOT control function. As you > know, the SPOT function changes the Main VFO's frequency to "Beat Frequency" > a CW signal. This function is wonderful when used to tune in a received > signal within the CWT area. However, if after sending a CQ, and having > someone answer you, you hit the SPOT control, you once again move your Main > VFO off frequency. This risks the other party answering your CQ from being > able to find you once again. > My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a RIT > only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button is NOT > engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. OR if the XIT button is > engaged, then the SPOT function would also work as it does currently. > Having the SPOT work as a RIT control when the RIT button is engaged, would > make it MUCH easier for a user (contester etc..) to send a CQ, wait for an > answer, then align the K3 to the answering parties BFO frequency, without > moving the Main VFO frequency. Thus, Making the RIT knob a secondary tool > for finding people too "off center" to capture in the CWT area. > I would love to see some feedback on this new feature, and ask that it gets > implemented in the software if enough people agree with me. If you don't > understand, or need further explanation please let me know. > Michael Aretsky > N6MQL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I think it is a good idea. I don't use CWT / auto-spot much and you've
just made me realize my reason. Once I call CQ and someone answers, I don't change my TX freq and the auto tune feature does just that. Instead, I make sure CWT is off and use the spot tone to tune the guy in with RIT. The other reason I don't use CWT is that I don't like it taking part of my S-meter away. If CWT used the VFO-B area to show it's tuning display that would be great. But then I'd want to separate CWT and SPOT so I could turn on the CWT display but have the SPOT button still just sound the side tone rather than engaging auto-tune. Ah, too many options and possibilities. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - > ----- Original Message ----- > > My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a > RIT only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button is > NOT engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. > Michael Aretsky > N6MQL > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Michael,
Operating modes do differ, but -- I would never even think to using Auto-Spot after I called CQ or after I established a QSO simply because I know it would change my transmit frequency. In other words, I would not tap the SPOT button after a CQ, but I still use the CWT indicator visually. If I must tune to center the replying station in the CWT display, that is fine, one can use RIT, or as I prefer, drop into SPLIT operation - just tap A>B, then hold A>B to get into split and then I can tune the station with the VFO A knob without altering my transmit frequency. I don't see enough added utility in this to add another degree of complexity to the user interface. 73, Don W3FPR The Smiths wrote: > I would like to suggest an "upgrade" for the SPOT control function. As > you know, the SPOT function changes the Main VFO's frequency to "Beat > Frequency" a CW signal. This function is wonderful when used to tune > in a received signal within the CWT area. However, if after sending a > CQ, and having someone answer you, you hit the SPOT control, you once > again move your Main VFO off frequency. This risks the other party > answering your CQ from being able to find you once again. > My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a > RIT only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button is > NOT engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. OR if the XIT > button is engaged, then the SPOT function would also work as it does > currently. > Having the SPOT work as a RIT control when the RIT button is engaged, > would make it MUCH easier for a user (contester etc..) to send a CQ, > wait for an answer, then align the K3 to the answering parties BFO > frequency, without moving the Main VFO frequency. Thus, Making the RIT > knob a secondary tool for finding people too "off center" to capture > in the CWT area. > I would love to see some feedback on this new feature, and ask that it > gets implemented in the software if enough people agree with me. If > you don't understand, or need further explanation please let me know. > Michael Aretsky > N6MQL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. See how it works. > <http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.17/1933 - Release Date: 02/02/09 07:51:00 > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Other problem of course: How to make it smart enough, in the presence
of other CW sigs to lock on to the one you want. More than likely it won't and you'll have to mess around with manual controls to fix it's mistake. A person using a knob can do the job much better than a ton of software. This problem was major in the days that the other guy drifted outside the passband even during a QSO. That was with 10KHz bandwidth filters too. No problem then with separate RX/TX. Note: It was always the other guy who drifted. It was never your RX. Things have come a long way. We expect a few Hz stability these days....... 73 de Brian/K3KO Don Wilhelm wrote: >Michael, > >Operating modes do differ, but -- >I would never even think to using Auto-Spot after I called CQ or after I >established a QSO simply because I know it would change my transmit >frequency. In other words, I would not tap the SPOT button after a CQ, >but I still use the CWT indicator visually. >If I must tune to center the replying station in the CWT display, that >is fine, one can use RIT, or as I prefer, drop into SPLIT operation - >just tap A>B, then hold A>B to get into split and then I can tune the >station with the VFO A knob without altering my transmit frequency. >I don't see enough added utility in this to add another degree of >complexity to the user interface. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >The Smiths wrote: > > >>I would like to suggest an "upgrade" for the SPOT control function. As >>you know, the SPOT function changes the Main VFO's frequency to "Beat >>Frequency" a CW signal. This function is wonderful when used to tune >>in a received signal within the CWT area. However, if after sending a >>CQ, and having someone answer you, you hit the SPOT control, you once >>again move your Main VFO off frequency. This risks the other party >>answering your CQ from being able to find you once again. >>My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a >>RIT only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button is >>NOT engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. OR if the XIT >>button is engaged, then the SPOT function would also work as it does >>currently. >>Having the SPOT work as a RIT control when the RIT button is engaged, >>would make it MUCH easier for a user (contester etc..) to send a CQ, >>wait for an answer, then align the K3 to the answering parties BFO >>frequency, without moving the Main VFO frequency. Thus, Making the RIT >>knob a secondary tool for finding people too "off center" to capture >>in the CWT area. >>I would love to see some feedback on this new feature, and ask that it >>gets implemented in the software if enough people agree with me. If >>you don't understand, or need further explanation please let me know. >>Michael Aretsky >>N6MQL >> >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Thanks Don and Ken. I don't know why, but I never thought of using split
like that - and it makes perfect sense. I liked Michael's suggestion because I have done the same thing - I intuitively hit Auto-Spot after someone came back to me a little off freq and then panicked because I couldn't remember exactly where I started sometimes. I've used RIT to manually tune in the other station, which isn't bad for me since my hearing and tuning is still pretty good, but I do like the Auto-Spot feature. Your suggestion still allows for that feature to work like a charm - and only three keystrokes! 73, Dave W8FGU Don Wilhelm wrote: > Michael, > > Operating modes do differ, but -- > I would never even think to using Auto-Spot after I called CQ or after I > established a QSO simply because I know it would change my transmit > frequency. In other words, I would not tap the SPOT button after a CQ, > but I still use the CWT indicator visually. > If I must tune to center the replying station in the CWT display, that > is fine, one can use RIT, or as I prefer, drop into SPLIT operation - > just tap A>B, then hold A>B to get into split and then I can tune the > station with the VFO A knob without altering my transmit frequency. > I don't see enough added utility in this to add another degree of > complexity to the user interface. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > The Smiths wrote: >> I would like to suggest an "upgrade" for the SPOT control function. As >> you know, the SPOT function changes the Main VFO's frequency to "Beat >> Frequency" a CW signal. This function is wonderful when used to tune >> in a received signal within the CWT area. However, if after sending a >> CQ, and having someone answer you, you hit the SPOT control, you once >> again move your Main VFO off frequency. This risks the other party >> answering your CQ from being able to find you once again. >> My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a >> RIT only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button is >> NOT engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. OR if the XIT >> button is engaged, then the SPOT function would also work as it does >> currently. >> Having the SPOT work as a RIT control when the RIT button is engaged, >> would make it MUCH easier for a user (contester etc..) to send a CQ, >> wait for an answer, then align the K3 to the answering parties BFO >> frequency, without moving the Main VFO frequency. Thus, Making the RIT >> knob a secondary tool for finding people too "off center" to capture >> in the CWT area. >> I would love to see some feedback on this new feature, and ask that it >> gets implemented in the software if enough people agree with me. If >> you don't understand, or need further explanation please let me know. >> Michael Aretsky >> N6MQL >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. See how it works. >> <http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.17/1933 - Release Date: 02/02/09 07:51:00 >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:41:36 -0800, you wrote:
Once you fellows start using split, you won't see a need for this addition. In the old days before XCVRS one would call CQ on the desired frequency and tune the RX to the answering station. Other than placing your TX frequency where a DX station is listening, using split to avoid the situation you describe is the common method. The reason for RIT and split in the beginning was to help eliminate the cost of, and desk top space taken by the RX. Tom, N5GE http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net >Hi Michael, >That is a meaningful and outstanding suggestion. I would really like to see >Elecraft add it to the "List". > >Frank - W6NEK > >----- Original Message ----- >From: The Smiths >To: [hidden email] >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:54 PM >Subject: [Elecraft] ECO for SPOT Control > > >I would like to suggest an "upgrade" for the SPOT control function. As you >know, the SPOT function changes the Main VFO's frequency to "Beat Frequency" >a CW signal. This function is wonderful when used to tune in a received >signal within the CWT area. However, if after sending a CQ, and having >someone answer you, you hit the SPOT control, you once again move your Main >VFO off frequency. This risks the other party answering your CQ from being >able to find you once again. >My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a RIT >only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button is NOT >engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. OR if the XIT button is >engaged, then the SPOT function would also work as it does currently. >Having the SPOT work as a RIT control when the RIT button is engaged, would >make it MUCH easier for a user (contester etc..) to send a CQ, wait for an >answer, then align the K3 to the answering parties BFO frequency, without >moving the Main VFO frequency. Thus, Making the RIT knob a secondary tool >for finding people too "off center" to capture in the CWT area. >I would love to see some feedback on this new feature, and ask that it gets >implemented in the software if enough people agree with me. If you don't >understand, or need further explanation please let me know. >Michael Aretsky >N6MQL [snip] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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> Once you fellows start using split, you won't see a need for this > addition. > > In the old days before XCVRS one would call CQ on the desired > frequency and tune the RX to the answering station. Other than > placing your TX frequency where a DX station is listening, using split > to avoid the situation you describe is the common method. > > The reason for RIT and split in the beginning was to help eliminate > the cost of, and desk top space taken by the RX. > > Tom, N5GE I often use the split mode on my K3, but also the RIT. In terms of sheer convenience, for casual CW contacts I prefer to use the RIT. Often my subreceiver is on another part of the band, often in a different mode, and I'd rather not change it. The proposed autospot feature does not add any operating complexity to the K3 and entails nothing extra to remember or learn. With this proposed feature, when autospot it enabled, AND the RIT is on, it would merely tweak the receiver frequency but leave the transmit frequency unchanged. I think it would be very handy. The benefit of the autospot feature is that it enables one to dial in the bandwidth without having the desired signal drop off the filter edge. To me, that is a very valuable feature. 73, Jim W8ZR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hmmmm. It's an interesting concept, but I don't like the idea of
adding yet another function to the SPOT button. In general, I dislike modal functions. That is, functions that work differently depending on the setting of some other control. I know they're unavoidable in some cases, but I like to keep them to a minimum. Tapping the SPOT button is already overloaded with two different functions. What happens when you tap SPOT depends on the state of CWT. If CWT is off, SPOT just turns on the sidetone. If CWT is on, it adjusts the TX & RX frequency to near zero-beat with a received signal. Adding a link to RIT now makes for 4 possible states: CWT off, RIT off; CWT on, RIT off; CWT off, RIT on; CWT on, RIT on. Knowing, me, I'd have RIT on but set to 0.0, hit SPOT, and then wonder why the guy whose CQ I just answered says I'm off frequency :-) 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Feb 3, 2009, at 8:54 PM, The Smiths wrote: > > I would like to suggest an "upgrade" for the SPOT control function. <snip> > My suggestion would be to allow for the SPOT button to function as a > RIT only control when the RIT button is engaged. If the RIT button > is NOT engaged, then the Main VFO would move as normal. <snip> > Michael AretskyN6MQL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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