Elecraft CW Net Announcement
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Good Evening,
It has come upon us once again: Daylight Savings Time. Thanks to Benjamin Franklin we get to change our clocks to give us more working light. I am unsure why we still do this since we have electric lights but it somehow persists. The factories constructed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries had skylights and many large vertical windows to allow more natural light to shine within. The remaining structures from this period have had those large windows mostly or entirely bricked closed since we use artificial lighting within our modern day sweatshops. Next year we will have two more months of savings due to new rules. However, you folks in parts of Indiana, Hawaii, and Arizona don't need to worry about this since daylight savings does not occur in those places. After that long digression I will announce our new (?) times. I had been planning on moving the time back to where they were before due to the increase in daylight hours. This gives me the perfect reason to do so. I'll leave the net times at their UTC or Zulu times so you that have clocks set in this manner will not need to change anything. I will have to remember to change my internal clock. After Ms. Pat took leave of this world I have been very busy. 24 hours never seems like enough time to get all of our chores done. Moving the nets back to their old times will give me an extra hour on Sunday afternoon to clean, cook, wash, cut and split wood, and so on. Hopefully the propagation will keep improving but these step functions in time do play havoc with both folks' schedules and with our relationship with the ionosphere. The weather has been bouncing back and forth between downpour and very sunny today. I got some chores done early this morning but wood was not one of them; it rained far too much. Hopefully tomorrow morning will let me get a week's worth of wood split and carried into the house. Luckily it is warming up so I don't burn as much. In a month or two I may only have to have a fire a week to keep the chill off. We have had a few years where we went a month without a fire during the summer but that is not always true. The daffodils are starting to bloom at 1000 feet so I expect they will start blooming here in a week or two. Each one I see reminds me of her so I have a lot of memories these days ;) Please join us: Sunday 2300z (Sunday 4pm PDT) 14050 kHz Monday 0200z (Sunday 7pm PDT) 7045 kHz Until tomorrow, Kevin. KD5ONS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 4/2/06 12:59:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes: > I am unsure why we still do this since we have electric lights but > it somehow persists. Because we live by the clock and not by the sun. And because we're mostly 'evening people' If the sun rises an hour earlier, most folks won't get up/go out an hour earlier to enjoy it. But if it sets an hour later, they will stay up/go out an hour earlier. 73 de Jim, N2EY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 [hidden email] wrote:
> In a message dated 4/2/06 12:59:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > >> I am unsure why we still do this since we have electric lights but >> it somehow persists. > > Because we live by the clock and not by the sun. And because we're mostly > 'evening people' > > If the sun rises an hour earlier, most folks won't get up/go out an hour > earlier to enjoy it. But if it sets an hour later, they will stay up/go out an > hour earlier. And, in many cities, a later sunset simply means the chances of getting mugged are less....as the muggers sleep late...so they miss the sunrise. 73,Thom-k3hrn www.zerobeat.net Home of QRP Web Ring, Drakelist home page,Drake Web Ring, QRP IRC channel, Drake IRC Channel, Elecraft Owners Database www.tlchost.net/hosting/ *** Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 4/2/06 7:48:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes: > If the sun rises an hour earlier, most folks won't get up/go out an hour > earlier to enjoy it. But if it sets an hour later, they will stay up/go out > an > hour earlier. > DOH! Should read: If the sun rises an hour earlier, most folks won't get up/go out an hour earlier to enjoy it. But if it sets an hour later, they will stay up/stay out an hour later. 73 de Jim "time lagged" N2EY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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---- Kevin Rock <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Good Evening, However, you folks > in parts of Indiana, Hawaii, and Arizona don't need to worry about this > since daylight savings does not occur in those places. If the April 28, 2005, Indiana state legislation stands up, on April 2, 2006, Indiana will no longer be counted as one of three states which do not Spring ahead from "standard" to "daylight saving" time or Fall back from daylight to standard six months later. The Indiana Legislature voted to approve Daylight Saving Time for Indiana and to petition the US Department of Transporation to hold hearings to determine the location of the dividing line between the Eastern and Central time zones, relative to Indiana. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sunday, April 02, 2006 2:30 PM, Jim N2EY wrote:
> > DOH! > > Should read: > > If the sun rises an hour earlier, most folks won't get up/go out an hour > earlier to enjoy it. But if it sets an hour later, they will stay up/stay > out > an > hour later. > > 73 de Jim "time lagged" N2EY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- When I lived in Luxembourg, the start of summertime in the UK was on a different date from that used in Continental Europe. The official reason given by the UK government was that the cows in the UK needed their sleep, according to a LX ham who worked for the Luxembourg goverment. 73, Geoff GM4ESD _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Geoff:
Yes, it does seem that cattle raising entails some bizarre problems. Back when I worked for the Tennessee Valley Authority we held hearings on a proposed 500 KV transmission line, one end of which was to terminate at the Phipps Bend Nuclear Plant. One person objecting to the proposed installation was a dairy farmer through whose farm the line would pass. He was not worried about the proximity to stray voltage or the very large electric field associated with such lines. Despite the fact that he was over a hundred miles from the plant, his concern was that his cows would be exposed to all that radioactive electricity. 73, Steve AA4AK At 12:22 PM 4/2/2006, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: >On Sunday, April 02, 2006 2:30 PM, Jim N2EY wrote: >> >>DOH! >> >>Should read: >> >>If the sun rises an hour earlier, most folks won't get up/go out an hour >>earlier to enjoy it. But if it sets an hour later, they will stay up/stay out >>an >>hour later. >> >>73 de Jim "time lagged" N2EY > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >When I lived in Luxembourg, the start of summertime in the UK was on >a different date from that used in Continental Europe. The official >reason given by the UK government was that the cows in the UK needed >their sleep, according to a LX ham who worked for the Luxembourg goverment. > >73, >Geoff >GM4ESD > > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Meanwhile my dumb atomic clock has decided it doesn't believe in this
stuff either, right now I have it on mountain time to keep it ahead an hour of where it was. Is WWV/WWVH not sending info that accounts for daylight savings time any more? 73 de Alex NS6Y On Apr 2, 2006, at 8:48 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > ---- Kevin Rock <[hidden email]> wrote: > If the April 28, 2005, Indiana state legislation stands up, on April > 2, 2006, Indiana will no longer be counted as one of three states > which do not Spring ahead from "standard" to "daylight saving" time or > Fall back from daylight to standard six months later. The Indiana > Legislature voted to approve Daylight Saving Time for Indiana and to > petition the US Department of Transporation to hold hearings to > determine the location of the dividing line between the Eastern and > Central time zones, relative to Indiana. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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My Radio Shack desk Atomic Clock switched as required. Rich, KE0X -----Original Message----- Meanwhile my dumb atomic clock has decided it doesn't believe in this stuff either, right now I have it on mountain time to keep it ahead an hour of where it was. Is WWV/WWVH not sending info that accounts for daylight savings time any more? 73 de Alex NS6Y -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Mine has a bug in the DST function. I disable that feature and then do
what Alexandra does to make it read properly in the Spring/Summer. John AA0VE Rich Lentz wrote: > >My Radio Shack desk Atomic Clock switched as required. > >Rich, >KE0X > >-----Original Message----- >Meanwhile my dumb atomic clock has decided it doesn't believe in this stuff >either, right now I have it on mountain time to keep it ahead an hour of >where it was. Is WWV/WWVH not sending info that accounts for daylight >savings time any more? 73 de Alex NS6Y > > > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I just put mine on Mountain time, if I find it an hour fast later I'll
just put it back on Pacific time. Thanks for the answers all! 73 de Alex NS6Y. On Apr 2, 2006, at 3:36 PM, John R. Lonigro wrote: > Mine has a bug in the DST function. I disable that feature and then > do what Alexandra does to make it read properly in the Spring/Summer. > > John AA0VE _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Did WWV ever send any DST coding? I'll bet not. Setting DST is not rocket science, just a simple algorithm.
---- Alexandra Carter <[hidden email]> wrote: > Meanwhile my dumb atomic clock has decided it doesn't believe in this > stuff either, right now I have it on mountain time to keep it ahead an > hour of where it was. Is WWV/WWVH not sending info that accounts for > daylight savings time any more? 73 de Alex NS6Y > > On Apr 2, 2006, at 8:48 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > ---- Kevin Rock <[hidden email]> wrote: > > If the April 28, 2005, Indiana state legislation stands up, on April > > 2, 2006, Indiana will no longer be counted as one of three states > > which do not Spring ahead from "standard" to "daylight saving" time or > > Fall back from daylight to standard six months later. The Indiana > > Legislature voted to approve Daylight Saving Time for Indiana and to > > petition the US Department of Transporation to hold hearings to > > determine the location of the dividing line between the Eastern and > > Central time zones, relative to Indiana. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Yes, WWV does encode the DST bit. See
http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvtimecode.htm for more info on the format. Mark AD5SS On 4/3/06, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: > Did WWV ever send any DST coding? I'll bet not. Setting DST is not rocket science, just a simple algorithm. > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I didn't think so, but I did a Google search on "NIST 432" and got the
NIST Special Pub 432 - "Time and Frequency Services". It seems like WWVB bits 57 and 58 transmit the DST data (page 20). I have an older edition of the same publication (which is why I knew the publication number) and it is interesting reading. 73's, John AA0VE [hidden email] wrote: >Did WWV ever send any DST coding? I'll bet not. Setting DST is not rocket science, just a simple algorithm. > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I don't know if my previous post made it. If not, that's OK because
there was an omission: I did a Google search on "NIST 432" and got the NIST Special Pub 432 - "Time and Frequency Services". It seems like WWVB bits 57 and 58 transmit the DST data (page 20). WWV and WWVH have DST data on bit 55 (page 47). I have an older edition of the same publication (which is why I knew the publication number) and it is interesting reading. 73's, John AA0VE [hidden email] wrote: >Did WWV ever send any DST coding? I'll bet not. Setting DST is not rocket science, just a simple algorithm. > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> Setting DST is not rocket science Well, no, unless you live in Indiana, where it apparently depends on street address. I actually have done rocket science during Apollo, and I'll take that over street addresses anytime. Last I heard, they are going to do DST statewide but left it up to some legislature to determine the new boundary between EST and CST. I won't hold my breath for that action. Hawaii is easy ... no DST. I think AZ is similar if not the same. Where does all the "saved" daylight actually go? It was light when I got up, and dark around dinner at 1730 last week. Now it's dark when I get up and light until I get the dishes washed. I wasn't aware that WWV ever sent DST stuff ... thought it was programmed into some but not all of the "atomic" clocks. My "Atomic Clock" is on UTC in my shack, so it doesn't care, although it keeps pretty good time -- within about 3 sec. Wonder what chaos could be caused if UTC went to DST? Fred K6DGW Auburn CA CM98lw _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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--- Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Where does all the "saved" daylight actually go? It > was light when I > got up, and dark around dinner at 1730 last week. > Now it's dark when I > get up and light until I get the dishes washed. We never see it. All of the saved daylight ends up on the other side of the world. It's a little-known fact that Daylight Savings Time was invented by the government of Fernando do Torishima to scam an extra hour of daylight from the west to keep the 20m band open longer over there for visiting DXpeditions. Glad I was able to help... 73 - Ken, VE3HLS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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