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Elecraft CW Net Report for July 27th & 28th, 2008

Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   Wow, that was noisy!  My ears are still ringing after my walk.  Tomorrow's chainsaw work will seem pleasant in comparison.  Trying to find the weak signals on 40 meters was not easy.  It did not help that I kept hearing dits and dahs in the noise.  I did hear a few requests for my rain to move further south.  Seems like the weather in California is above 80 degrees.  I have only seen the temperature that high a couple times this year.  This week it is still raining every morning with sun coming out around noon.  I will have enough wood ready for two years soon if this weather keeps up.  The prediction is for mid to low 70s until Thursday.  This is probably why the QRN is so high.  Luckily during the Flight of the Bumblebees it was not so bad.  I tried all of the bands but only 20 and 40 meters gained me any contacts.  Still learning N1MM which is much nicer than paper logging.  Much nicer than any other logging program I have ever used too!  The approximately 400 pages of documentation is too much to work through so I take it a little at a time.  

   On to the lists =>

On 14050 kHz at 2300z:
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657
K9DMV - Joe - IL - K2 - 5628
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798   * QNI #130 *
WA7BOC - Roger - WA - K3 - 75
K7GIM - Dave - AZ
KS7D - Mike - FL - K3 - 118
W6JD - Doug - CA - K3 - 23

On 7045 kHz at 0200z:
WC7S - Dale - WY - K2 - 4360
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457     ** QNI #235 **
N1AL - Al - CA - K3 847           QNI #5!
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657     * QNI #130 *
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
K9DMV - Joe - IL - K2 - 5628
N7AF - Dave - AZ - K2 - 4795
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 768
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866

   Hopefully the above lists are correct.  If not please send the changes to me via email.  As the second net was progressing the noise increased proportionately.  I am going to continue to take advantage of the very mild weather to do a little hiking.  I will also pack all the material for the roof up there now so I don't have to do so when the temperatures are in the 80s.  I expect it will get warmer when the dry season gets underway but that has yet to happen.  Fireweed just started blooming if that gives you any idea of the season up here.  Lots of errands to run this week so I had better get my home chores done tonight.  Thus saying I am off (more than you'll ever know :)  
   Have a good week and stay well,
      73,
         Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)


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Re: Elecraft CW Net Report for July 27th & 28th, 2008

Brett Howard
Tried and tried and tried...  No relays...  Oh well guess I'll have to
wait till Tom gets his K3 back.

On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 23:25 -0400, Kevin Rock wrote:

> Good Evening,
>    Wow, that was noisy!  My ears are still ringing after my walk.  Tomorrow's chainsaw work will seem pleasant in comparison.  Trying to find the weak signals on 40 meters was not easy.  It did not help that I kept hearing dits and dahs in the noise.  I did hear a few requests for my rain to move further south.  Seems like the weather in California is above 80 degrees.  I have only seen the temperature that high a couple times this year.  This week it is still raining every morning with sun coming out around noon.  I will have enough wood ready for two years soon if this weather keeps up.  The prediction is for mid to low 70s until Thursday.  This is probably why the QRN is so high.  Luckily during the Flight of the Bumblebees it was not so bad.  I tried all of the bands but only 20 and 40 meters gained me any contacts.  Still learning N1MM which is much nicer than paper logging.  Much nicer than any other logging program I have ever used too!  The approximately 400 pages of documentation is too much to work through so I take it a little at a time.  
>
>    On to the lists =>
>
> On 14050 kHz at 2300z:
> W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657
> K9DMV - Joe - IL - K2 - 5628
> N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
> W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
> KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798   * QNI #130 *
> WA7BOC - Roger - WA - K3 - 75
> K7GIM - Dave - AZ
> KS7D - Mike - FL - K3 - 118
> W6JD - Doug - CA - K3 - 23
>
> On 7045 kHz at 0200z:
> WC7S - Dale - WY - K2 - 4360
> W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457     ** QNI #235 **
> N1AL - Al - CA - K3 847           QNI #5!
> W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657     * QNI #130 *
> K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
> K9DMV - Joe - IL - K2 - 5628
> N7AF - Dave - AZ - K2 - 4795
> KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 768
> N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
>
>    Hopefully the above lists are correct.  If not please send the changes to me via email.  As the second net was progressing the noise increased proportionately.  I am going to continue to take advantage of the very mild weather to do a little hiking.  I will also pack all the material for the roof up there now so I don't have to do so when the temperatures are in the 80s.  I expect it will get warmer when the dry season gets underway but that has yet to happen.  Fireweed just started blooming if that gives you any idea of the season up here.  Lots of errands to run this week so I had better get my home chores done tonight.  Thus saying I am off (more than you'll ever know :)  
>    Have a good week and stay well,
>       73,
>          Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)
>
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Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

Brett Howard
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Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.  

My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

N4LQ-2
CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are
about the same level. Why would anyone want a fixed sidetone level? Changing
from speaker to headphones requires readjustment of the sidetone level. When
the xyl turns on the washing machine, I have to turn up the AF gain then the
sidetone is buried in noise so I have to crank it up.
Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone to
track with the AF gain. Kenwood got it right with tracking sidetone. I think
most Icoms do too. Yaesu was really bad. On the MP you had to reach behind
the rig and find a little knob to change sidetone level!!
So if there were some way to merge sidetone into AF gain, I would love
it...73
Steve Ellington
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> Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
> better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
> output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
> preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
> as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
> gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.
>
> My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
> is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
> and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
> than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
> curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.
>
> ~Brett (KC7OTG)
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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

David Pratt-2
In a recent message, n4lq <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they
>are about the same level.
...
>Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone
>to track with the AF gain.

Yes, Steve, but on here we're talking about the Elecraft K3 on which the
sidetone level is a simple matter of just pushing and turning a knob. Do
try a K3 sometime and you will find how simple it is.

73
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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

Jan Erik Holm
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n4lq wrote:
> CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they
> are about the same level.
>>
>
IMO absolutely not. Sidetone level should have a separate level adjust.

73 Jim SM2EKM

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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

N4LQ-2
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David
I do have the K3 and know how to adjust the sidetone. I just prefer having
the AF gain and sidetone track to one control. Also, I like to be able to
adjust the sidetone level while sending CW which you can't do on the K3.
When you push the mon button you get a constant sidetone. You cannot hear
the other guy sending no can you send cw yourself while doing this. This is
very weird and I have never seen a rig act like this. It's not a deal
breaker but it sure seems crude. Rigs such as the IC-756PRO have a little
sidetone level knob that allows you to simply increase or decrease the
sidetone level while sending or receiving with no interruptions. That's how
it should be.
Steve Ellington
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> In a recent message, n4lq <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>>CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they
>>are about the same level.
> ...
>>Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone to
>>track with the AF gain.
>
> Yes, Steve, but on here we're talking about the Elecraft K3 on which the
> sidetone level is a simple matter of just pushing and turning a knob. Do
> try a K3 sometime and you will find how simple it is.
>
> 73
> --
> David G4DMP
> Leeds, England, UK
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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

drewko
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I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to
have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference
audio level. Mine is set at 25.

What I would like is the option to adjust the PITCH without hearing
the sidetone. In other words, listening to a weak signal I want to
adjust it's pitch (offset) for best copy. Different signal conditions
can warrant the use of different pitches for optimum copy. But you
can't do this with the sidetone overriding the received audio. Even if
you set the sideone level to zero the received audio is blocked
whenever PITCH is on.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:53:14 -0700, Brett (KC7OTG) wrote:

>?Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
>better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
>output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
>preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
>as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
>gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.  
>
>My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
>is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
>and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
>than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
>curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.
>
>~Brett (KC7OTG)
>

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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

N4LQ-2
Again I agree. Changing the sidetone level or pitch requires us to listen to
the constant tone which covers up everything. I think the intent was good
but a bit impractical.
Steve Ellington
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>I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to
> have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference
> audio level. Mine is set at 25.
>
> What I would like is the option to adjust the PITCH without hearing
> the sidetone. In other words, listening to a weak signal I want to
> adjust it's pitch (offset) for best copy. Different signal conditions
> can warrant the use of different pitches for optimum copy. But you
> can't do this with the sidetone overriding the received audio. Even if
> you set the sideone level to zero the received audio is blocked
> whenever PITCH is on.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:53:14 -0700, Brett (KC7OTG) wrote:
>
>>?Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
>>better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
>>output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
>>preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
>>as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
>>gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.
>>
>>My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
>>is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
>>and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
>>than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
>>curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.
>>
>>~Brett (KC7OTG)
>>
>
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RE: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

John King-10
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I have to agree with Steve on this. I'm a CW operator.
I would like to have the sidetone track volume, while
still being able to adjust the mix ratio, preferably
while working CW.

After FD this year one fellow asked me an excellent
question: "What don't you like about the K3?"
I had been answering K3 questions all weekend, but I
wasn't prepared for that one. The single gripe I could
come up with was the sidetone volume adjustment.

As Steve says, it's not a deal breaker. We both own K3's.

73,
  john  WA1ABI


> I do have the K3 and know how to adjust the sidetone. I just
> prefer having
> the AF gain and sidetone track to one control. Also, I like to be able to
> adjust the sidetone level while sending CW which you can't do on the K3.
> When you push the mon button you get a constant sidetone. You cannot hear
> the other guy sending no can you send cw yourself while doing
> this. This is
> very weird and I have never seen a rig act like this. It's not a deal
> breaker

> Steve Ellington

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RE: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

Darwin, Keith
I too am a CW operator but I greatly prefer the sidetone NOT track with
the AF gain control.  I want them separate so that I can adjust the mix
on the fly.  Rather than trying to adjust sidetone volume, I set it and
leave it alone.  If I want more sidetone, I turn the AF gain down which
is simple rather than trying to turn the sidetone up.

- Keith N1AS -
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I have to agree with Steve on this. I'm a CW operator.
I would like to have the sidetone track volume, while still being able
to adjust the mix ratio, preferably while working CW.
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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

N4LQ-2
"If I want more sidetone, I turn the AF gain down which
is simple rather than trying to turn the sidetone up."

Obviously I missed something in life. Turning down the AF gain to get more
sidetone? Ok..I'm going to take a walk and get some fresh air.

Steve Ellington
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I too am a CW operator but I greatly prefer the sidetone NOT track with
the AF gain control.  I want them separate so that I can adjust the mix
on the fly.  Rather than trying to adjust sidetone volume, I set it and
leave it alone.  If I want more sidetone, I turn the AF gain down which
is simple rather than trying to turn the sidetone up.

- Keith N1AS -
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I have to agree with Steve on this. I'm a CW operator.
I would like to have the sidetone track volume, while still being able
to adjust the mix ratio, preferably while working CW.
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RE: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

Darwin, Keith
Before you put your waking shoes on, consider that just maybe I'm the
weird one LOL!

By turning down the AF gain, I'm increasing the sidetone-to-band-noise
ratio, making the sidetone easier to hear.  This assumes the sidetone is
loud enough but is being masked by the loud band noise since the AF gain
is way up to copy that weak signal.

Enjoy your walk.  I'm jealous.  I have to stay at my desk and keep
working ... :-)

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -


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"If I want more sidetone, I turn the AF gain down which is simple rather
than trying to turn the sidetone up."

Obviously I missed something in life. Turning down the AF gain to get
more sidetone? Ok..I'm going to take a walk and get some fresh air.

Steve Ellington
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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

Bob Cunnings NW8L
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Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO.

I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to
hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level
when I start sending, as would be the case if sidetone level tracked
the AF gain.  I don't want to have to adjust the AF gain control
between sending and receiving under those circumstances to control the
sidetone level.

Bob NW8L

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Brett Howard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
> better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
> output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
> preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
> as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
> gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.
>
> My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
> is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
> and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
> than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
> curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.
>
> ~Brett (KC7OTG)
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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

N4LQ-2
Good point and there's probably no one answer to this therefore it should be
made configurable.
At least, the constant tone feature for level and pitch should be optional.
Basically, if I could just reach for a knob and turn it when I want to
change sidetone level during a QSO, I would be happy. Oh..heck...I'm already
happy but this gives us something to discuss.

Steve Ellington
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> Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO.
>
> I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to
> hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level
> when I start sending, as would be the case if sidetone level tracked
> the AF gain.  I don't want to have to adjust the AF gain control
> between sending and receiving under those circumstances to control the
> sidetone level.
>
> Bob NW8L
>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Brett Howard <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
>> better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
>> output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
>> preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
>> as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
>> gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.
>>
>> My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
>> is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
>> and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
>> than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
>> curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.
>>
>> ~Brett (KC7OTG)
>>
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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:11 -0600, "Bob Cunnings" <[hidden email]>
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Folks,

After reading all the posts to date on this topic, I have decided what my
opinion is:

Go ahead and change it, but if you do, please add another feature that allows
myself and others who would surely not like it at all, to turn the "feature"
off.

I'm a 63 year old, 46 year CW operator and CW SWL buff, military trained.

73,

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

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RE: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

Brett Howard
After reading posts here I'm not 100% sure what my opinion is...  I'm pretty
happy either way...  I was mostly curious to hear what the peanut gallery
thought.  Seems this is another one that everyone is different on...

Thankfully its also another one that is easy to deal with if its not the way
you prefer.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

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Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:09 AM
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:11 -0600, "Bob Cunnings" <[hidden email]>
wrote:
Folks,

After reading all the posts to date on this topic, I have decided what my
opinion is:

Go ahead and change it, but if you do, please add another feature that
allows
myself and others who would surely not like it at all, to turn the "feature"
off.

I'm a 63 year old, 46 year CW operator and CW SWL buff, military trained.

73,

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

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Essential Liberty to
purchase a little Temporary
Safety deserve neither
Liberty nor Safety"

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written in 1755 from the
Assembly to the Governor
of Pennsylvania.

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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:11 -0600, "Bob Cunnings" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO.
>
>I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to
>hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level
>when I start sending, as would be the case if sidetone level tracked
>the AF gain.  I don't want to have to adjust the AF gain control
>between sending and receiving under those circumstances to control the
>sidetone level.
>
>Bob NW8L
>

Sorry Bob for deleting you response in my first reply.  Your explanation is spot
on.

Folks,

After reading all the posts to date on this topic, I have decided what my
opinion is:

Go ahead and change it, but if you do, please add another feature that allows
myself and others who would surely not like it at all, to turn the "feature"
off.

I'm a 63 year old, 46 year CW operator and CW SWL buff, military trained.

73,
Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

"Those who would give up
Essential Liberty to
purchase a little Temporary
Safety deserve neither
Liberty nor Safety"

An excerpt from a letter
written in 1755 from the
Assembly to the Governor
of Pennsylvania.

Support the entire Constitution, not
just the parts you like.

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Re: Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

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Allow the PITCH to be changed without having to listen to the tone .... or
with the tone.

Allow the sidetone level to be changed without having to listen to it ....
or with the tone..

Allow the sidetone to be independently controlled (and be able to change
it while you are transmitting) or AF Gain controlled.

Personally I like the PITCH to be adjustable without having to listen to it.
And the sidetone adjustable without having to listen to it.
And the sidetone level independent of the AF Gain control.

And I'd like to be able to record both the TX and RX audio at a fixed level
rather than have the level controlled by the AF Gain!


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>I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to
> have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference
> audio level. Mine is set at 25.
>
> What I would like is the option to adjust the PITCH without hearing
> the sidetone. In other words, listening to a weak signal I want to
> adjust it's pitch (offset) for best copy. Different signal conditions
> can warrant the use of different pitches for optimum copy. But you
> can't do this with the sidetone overriding the received audio. Even if
> you set the sideone level to zero the received audio is blocked
> whenever PITCH is on.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z

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