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Gary Smith-2

Elecraft Centric

Folks,

Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
here is why:

This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.

I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
hear information on that manufacturer's radios.

Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.

I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
the options available.

But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.

Just my 2 cents.

73 to all,

Gary
KA1J
K3s #10622
K3 #2382
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Ken G Kopp

Re: Elecraft Centric

Well-said, Gary ...

This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.

73

Ken - K0PP

73

Ken, K0PP
On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
> here is why:
>
> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.
>
> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>
> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
>
> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
> the options available.
>
> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
> K3s #10622
> K3 #2382
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Elecraft Centric

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Gary,

Although I only use Elecraft gear at this point --
and have been in that situation since my first K2
build increment in 1999 -- I'm always interested
in what else is out there, and don't regard this
reflector as "Holy Ground".

Nor have I seen any messages I would regard as
saying "how wonderful" any other (non-Elecraft)
rig is.

But, in the end, such judgments regarding
acceptable content and topics are made by Eric.

73, Phil W7OX

On 5/2/16 9:29 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

Jim Brown-10

Re: Elecraft Centric

In reply to this post by Gary Smith-2

On Mon,5/2/2016 9:29 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> I don't like seeing it used as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.

I don't have that objection as long as it doesn't consume the reflector.
I don't worship my radios nor the companies that build them. I do value
input from others when it is intelligent and based on facts and logic.
Because I own Ten Tec power amps (and used to own an Omni V+), I'm also
a member of a Ten Tec reflector. Those guys DO worship their radios AND
the company that bought the remains of the company that bought the
company that produced them decades ago.

There will always be new products and advertising for them that claims
they are the equal of the best of their competitors, or nearly as good
for a lot less money. Where else will we learn the facts? Certainly not
from the cheerleading email reflectors for the companies that sell them!

SDR technology IS important to advancing the state of our art, and there
are some pretty good SDR radios on the market now. Their capabilities
are currently limited by the chips that are currently available, but
that will not always be true.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Elecraft Centric

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Folks - Its within list guidelines for -short- discussions on topics only
peripherally related to Elecraft topics, but extended discussions pro/con etc on
competition etc should be limited here to a few posts and then taken to direct
personal email. Its certainly pertinent info on other products to be posted,m
but we do not want that to dominate list traffic.

Our goal is to first and foremost provide a forum for discussions of Elecraft
products, third party products for Elecraft rigs and discussion of related
technologies. We purposely do not 100% limit postings to Elecraft products
since both we and many readers benefit from these outside topics, including
competitive analysis. But when these OT threads get past 5-10 postings, please
limit them and take the conversation off list in the interest of keeping the
volume of list postings under control.

73,

Eric
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Re: Elecraft Centric

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Other than my mobile rig, I run Elecraft. I appreciate being able to keep
up with the news regarding Elecraft products.

However I appreciate that Eric has chosen to let this reflector be somewhat
open to general radio topics. By nature that sometimes includes discussion
of non-Elecraft products.

I have seen this reflector as much of being a 'club' rather than a forum
with a strictly focused on Elecraft. That factor may be useful for many,
particularly newer operators who might have questions along the lines of
antennas, operating circumstances and conventions, as well as accessories
(Elecraft or other).

I know it would be awkward for me to manage the forum via email. I choose
to view it via qth.com/pipermail. This is very easy and manageable for me.
I mostly keep up with the forum in a linear, time wise fashion. That my
browser highlights the last read post after I've selected it, I always know
where I've left off. http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft... is sent
as my homepage for my browser. Your experience may differ.

I'd like to encourage Eric and the powers that be to continue the somewhat
open perspective here, though I realize that one's mode of reception of the
posts may cause consternation for some.

Were I to offer complaint on content, it might be when people begin to
hammer at length on matters having to do with 'my radio is better than
theirs' when it relates to items well to the right of the decimal point.

In general, I think the somewhat open approach that has been allowed serves
amateur radio and Elecraft well.

73,

Dick - KA5KKT

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Re: Elecraft Centric

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I also have been thinking this lately
If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate forum.

From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

Well-said, Gary ...

This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.

73

Ken - K0PP

73

Ken, K0PP
On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Re: Elecraft Centric

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Hi Gary,

This will continue to happen until the moderator cracks the whip...

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On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 12:29 -0400, Gary Smith wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
> here is why:
>
> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to
> my
> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.
>
> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>
> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the
> TenTec
> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
>
> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to
> realize
> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all
> of
> the options available.
>
> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads
> about
> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
> K3s #10622
> K3 #2382
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David Gilbert

Re: Elecraft Centric

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Thankfully you don't get to make that call, and Eric has already laid
out the guidelines describing to what extent he considers pro/con
comments on other rigs to be appropriate for this list. For me, I find
it very valuable to understand how my K3 stacks up to other rigs as long
as such posts don't dominate the list. I prefer not to live in a silo.

Dave AB7E

On 5/2/2016 10:42 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

> I also have been thinking this lately
> If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate forum.
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric
>
> Well-said, Gary ...
>
> This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> 73
>
> Ken, K0PP
> On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
>> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
>> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
>> here is why:
>>
>> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
>> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
>> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.
>>
>> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
>> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
>> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
>> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>>
>> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
>> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
>> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
>> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
>> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
>> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
>> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
>> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
>> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
>>
>> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
>> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
>> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
>> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
>> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
>> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
>> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
>> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
>> the options available.
>>
>> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
>> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
>> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
>> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
>> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
>> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
>> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> 73 to all,
>>
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>> K3s #10622
>> K3 #2382
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joemoffatt

Re: Elecraft Centric

This is very true to me as well. One thing that I am seeing in several places online right now is that the 7300 Icom is a big competitor to the KX3. A lot of folks are saying that why spend the money for a KX3 when you can have a panadapter, 100 watts, etc built in for much less money than the KX3/PX3/KPA100 combination.

This is relative to Elecraft and the KX3 in particular because this may turn out to be a major competitor to the KX3 series, or not, but it is certainly a relative discussion.

Anyhow, I don't mean to hijack the list, but other products do affect Elecraft and their users.

Joe

From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 1:19 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

Thankfully you don't get to make that call, and Eric has already laid
out the guidelines describing to what extent he considers pro/con
comments on other rigs to be appropriate for this list. For me, I find
it very valuable to understand how my K3 stacks up to other rigs as long
as such posts don't dominate the list. I prefer not to live in a silo.

Dave AB7E

On 5/2/2016 10:42 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

> I also have been thinking this lately
> If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate forum.
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]%3e>
> To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric
>
> Well-said, Gary ...
>
> This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> 73
>
> Ken, K0PP
> On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]%3e> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
>> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
>> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
>> here is why:
>>
>> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
>> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
>> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.
>>
>> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
>> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
>> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
>> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>>
>> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
>> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
>> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
>> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
>> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
>> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
>> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
>> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
>> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
>>
>> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
>> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
>> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
>> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
>> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
>> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
>> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
>> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
>> the options available.
>>
>> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
>> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
>> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
>> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
>> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
>> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
>> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> 73 to all,
>>
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>> K3s #10622
>> K3 #2382
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Re: Elecraft Centric

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Nice bit about Ten-Tec on Elcraft reflector :)
I do not mind info about non Elecraft equipment in comparison with Elecraft
equipment. IMHO this is not OT at all.

73, Igor UA9CDC

> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
>

NK7Z

Re: Elecraft Centric

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I have to agree with AB7E here, I enjoy some of the off topic things,
and for those that I don't, I delete...
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On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 11:19 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:

> Thankfully you don't get to make that call, and Eric has already
> laid
> out the guidelines describing to what extent he considers pro/con
> comments on other rigs to be appropriate for this list.  For me, I
> find
> it very valuable to understand how my K3 stacks up to other rigs as
> long
> as such posts don't dominate the list.  I prefer not to live in a
> silo.
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
> On 5/2/2016 10:42 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> >
> > I also have been thinking this lately
> > If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate
> > forum.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >        From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
> > To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> > Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric
> >
> > Well-said, Gary ...
> >
> > This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Ken - K0PP
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Ken, K0PP
> > On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
> > > lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
> > > Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
> > > here is why:
> > >
> > > This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers
> > > to my
> > > questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it
> > > used
> > > as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft
> > > radios.
> > >
> > > I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length
> > > my
> > > and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer.
> > > The
> > > only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is
> > > to
> > > hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
> > >
> > > Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the
> > > TenTec
> > > reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer
> > > radios
> > > with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
> > > considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
> > > company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
> > > complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of
> > > updates
> > > and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With
> > > that
> > > being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam
> > > forums
> > > and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this
> > > reflector.
> > >
> > > I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my
> > > first
> > > K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
> > > pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were
> > > frequent,
> > > often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to
> > > realize
> > > I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
> > > needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
> > > overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a
> > > kit
> > > was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most
> > > all of
> > > the options available.
> > >
> > > But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum
> > > to
> > > hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
> > > discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is
> > > the
> > > purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
> > > equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
> > > rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads
> > > about
> > > how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> > >
> > > 73 to all,
> > >
> > > Gary
> > > KA1J
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Re: Elecraft Centric

In reply to this post by joemoffatt

Joe,

Crucial difference is that the KX3 system is
modular and the barefoot KX3 can be used very
effectively battery operated for SOTA, camping and
the like. I suspect the IC-7300 was not designed
for power efficiency :-)

So I see them as a very different class of rig.

73, Phil W7OX

On 5/2/16 11:48 AM, Joe Moffatt wrote:

> This is very true to me as well. One thing that I am seeing in several places online right now is that the 7300 Icom is a big competitor to the KX3. A lot of folks are saying that why spend the money for a KX3 when you can have a panadapter, 100 watts, etc built in for much less money than the KX3/PX3/KPA100 combination.
>
> This is relative to Elecraft and the KX3 in particular because this may turn out to be a major competitor to the KX3 series, or not, but it is certainly a relative discussion.
>
> Anyhow, I don't mean to hijack the list, but other products do affect Elecraft and their users.
>
> Joe
>
>
>

Wes Stewart-2

Re: Elecraft Centric

In reply to this post by NK7Z

Same here.

On 5/2/2016 12:45 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I have to agree with AB7E here, I enjoy some of the off topic things,
> and for those that I don't, I delete...

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Re: Elecraft Centric

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I think the 7300 could intrude against the KX3 in the "base station replacement" market, though. It's obviously an important enough market, in fact, that Elecraft developed the KXPA100 with built-in tuner to augment the KX3's attractiveness in that particular scenario. So I think the 7300 could pose a significant threat if you happen to like the built-in panadapter and touch screen etc.

An equivalent (using the term loosely of course) KX3 setup - rig + options, KXPA100 amp + tuner, PX3 panadapter - is $3200 and climbing. So at half that or possibly less, the 7300 could potentially become a problem for Elecraft in that particular space.

Now, would I go with a 7300 instead, no, of course not, because I'm aware of the superiority of Elecraft's rigs. But for those who aren't, this is probably a market reality that I'm sure has Eric and Wayne's attention on some level.

73,
LS
W5QD

Phil Wheeler-2 wrote

Joe,

Crucial difference is that the KX3 system is
modular and the barefoot KX3 can be used very
effectively battery operated for SOTA, camping and
the like. I suspect the IC-7300 was not designed
for power efficiency :-)

So I see them as a very different class of rig.

73, Phil W7OX

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Re: Elecraft Centric

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Guys,

Most of us all loyal Elecraft customers that love the company and their products. This type of post provides valuable feedback to Elecraft that will enable them to understand the type of feature that we would like to see in future products. Many of these features are only possible (at least economically feasible) using a direct-sampling SDR architecture. It would be very sad to see Elecraft fall behind the competition just because we gave them the false impression that we are too happy with our K3s and KX3s, combined with Elecraft's excellent customer support, to want to see technological innovation in their next generation of product. A good example of this would be Ten-Tec. I guess their clients didn't ask for more as long as they got the "legendary QSK". Of course, Wayne and Eric will not let that happen!

73,
Robert-KP4Y/W4

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> On May 2, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with AB7E here, I enjoy some of the off topic things,
> and for those that I don't, I delete...
> --
> 73's, and thanks,
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>> On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 11:19 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
>> Thankfully you don't get to make that call, and Eric has already
>> laid
>> out the guidelines describing to what extent he considers pro/con
>> comments on other rigs to be appropriate for this list. For me, I
>> find
>> it very valuable to understand how my K3 stacks up to other rigs as
>> long
>> as such posts don't dominate the list. I prefer not to live in a
>> silo.
>>
>> Dave AB7E
>>
>>
>>> On 5/2/2016 10:42 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>>
>>> I also have been thinking this lately
>>> If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate
>>> forum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric
>>>
>>> Well-said, Gary ...
>>>
>>> This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Ken - K0PP
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Ken, K0PP
>>>> On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
>>>> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
>>>> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
>>>> here is why:
>>>>
>>>> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers
>>>> to my
>>>> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it
>>>> used
>>>> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft
>>>> radios.
>>>>
>>>> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length
>>>> my
>>>> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer.
>>>> The
>>>> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is
>>>> to
>>>> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>>>>
>>>> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the
>>>> TenTec
>>>> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer
>>>> radios
>>>> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
>>>> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
>>>> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
>>>> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of
>>>> updates
>>>> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With
>>>> that
>>>> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam
>>>> forums
>>>> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this
>>>> reflector.
>>>>
>>>> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my
>>>> first
>>>> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
>>>> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were
>>>> frequent,
>>>> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to
>>>> realize
>>>> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
>>>> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
>>>> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a
>>>> kit
>>>> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most
>>>> all of
>>>> the options available.
>>>>
>>>> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum
>>>> to
>>>> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
>>>> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is
>>>> the
>>>> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
>>>> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
>>>> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads
>>>> about
>>>> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>
>>>> 73 to all,
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>> KA1J
>>>> K3s #10622
>>>> K3 #2382
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Re: Elecraft Centric

In reply to this post by Gary Smith-2

Well, the guys on the IC-7300 forum are fussing about all the Elecraft talk
over there.......

Chas

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary
Smith
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:30 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

Folks,

Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the lengthy
threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for Elecraft products. I
personally find these threads irritating and here is why:

This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used as a
platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.

I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my and
other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The only reason I
would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to hear information on
that manufacturer's radios.

Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios with
better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was considering the Orion
line. I had been disappointed with how that company at the time, was not
handling some of the long term complaints I was reading on their reflector
about a lack of updates and issues with end of life parts being soon
unobtanium. With that being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the
eHam forums and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this
reflector.

I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my pleasant
surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent, often daily
contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize I wasn't
interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my needs and it was
made in America and I wasn't going to buy from overseas if what I want was
made here. That an option to buy a kit was included made it a lock for me to
buy the K3 kit with most all of the options available.

But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to hear
about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy discussions about
competitors products. I still consider that is the purpose of this forum and
I am bemused why people tout other equipment here, it's just bad form. I
would consider myself being rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and
started threads about how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.

Just my 2 cents.

73 to all,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: Elecraft Centric

I am really "Elecraft Centric", but I believe with good reason -
Elecraft gear is the "best in the business" by Sherwood ratings and the
experience showing the standings in international extreme contesting as
well as being the choice of DXpedition and contest operators. Those
facts say a lot to me.

I exempt the over $10K transceivers from consideration because those are
not within the realm of affordability by most hams that I am familiar
with. Similar performance can be had from Elecraft at half that price
category.

I do like some limited discussion here about new transceivers just so we
have information about what new things the competition is doing. It is
also interesting to note that the lesser priced transceivers do not have
all the features of the K3S or the KX3 by a rather large margin and the
Sherwood ratings continue to keep the K3S and KX3 at the very top of the
list when $$$ are taken into consideration.

So yes, I believe it is appropriate for some discussion of the features
(or lack thereof) on the competition's announcements to take place - but
it should not be carried away with long extended threads. If the
competitive offering peaks your interest, then take extended discussion
of the pros and cons of that offering to the manufacturer's forums.

Unless something different comes along, the K3S and KX3 are still 'top
of the line' IMHO, even considering the new "pizzazz" features being
added by the competition.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/2/2016 10:58 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Well, the guys on the IC-7300 forum are fussing about all the Elecraft talk
> over there.......
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Re: Elecraft Centric

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I do too.... just saying what I've been reading a lot.

Joe

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

Joe,

Crucial difference is that the KX3 system is
modular and the barefoot KX3 can be used very
effectively battery operated for SOTA, camping and
the like. I suspect the IC-7300 was not designed
for power efficiency :-)

So I see them as a very different class of rig.

73, Phil W7OX

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Re: Elecraft Centric

Phil - yes, in much the same way as the K3S is not a SOTA rig :-)
I have a KX3 and also an IC-7300, and I don’t see either as competition
for one another - I will keep both.
Interestingly, the current draw on RX on the IC-7300 is amazingly low
taking into consideration the multi-functional large color display. It draws
only 900 ma, which is about half the current draw of the miniature IC-7000.
Of course the KX3 is the champion when current draw is the main
criteria.
So yes, I see myself using my KX3 for SOTA and other ultra light portable
operations, but I will take my IC-7300 to operate from park benches, camping
and holiday style Dxpeditions.

73
John

Joe,

Crucial difference is that the KX3 system is
modular and the barefoot KX3 can be used very
effectively battery operated for SOTA, camping and
the like. I suspect the IC-7300 was not designed
for power efficiency :-)

So I see them as a very different class of rig.

73, Phil W7OX

On 5/2/16 11:48 AM, Joe Moffatt wrote: