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Jim Low man

Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

Good idea, Don - have your name, callsign and the Elecraft logo
embroidered on the cap, much like Rose does for the covers and carrying
cases for the Elecraft transceivers.

Dave, point taken. Whoever came up with the idea of using shirts, caps,
visors, etc. for advertising must be a millionaire.

I'm guilty of abetting numerous ham vendors, microbreweries, etc. by
buying T-shirts that advertise their company and products. I'm not big
on caps, but I did buy one of the caps from Lisa at the Elecraft booth.
Getting thinner on top is beginning to necessitate wearing one.

That said, a couple of things. First of all, I'm not certain that Yaesu
was giving away caps. I saw some, but they could have been from a prior
event.
Second, in talking with Lisa, she said that these were not $2 caps. I
can see that they are made very well, and the Elecraft name and logo are
embroidered. It's a dark blue color, which is my favorite. Third
(okay, I lied), Elecraft is not Yaesu -yet. I'm sure that it cost quite
a bit for booth space, travel, lodging and meals for the number of
staffers who came along, and for shipping all of their display equipment
both ways.

The first time I stopped to talk with Lisa, a guy bought a KX3 with -
cash! Wow! The second time, Lisa gave caps to another guy and his
YL/XYL (or he may have paid for them; I don't know) but she said that he
bought $10,000 worth of Elecraft products.

You know, when this discussion began, I felt a bit ashamed to be a
member of this fraternity. Same for whoever complained about not being
able to get the convention discount when he didn't attend the
convention. We hams have a reputation for being cheap, but if we can
afford to buy the various Elecraft products, can't we afford to pay for
a nicely-made cap?

73 de Jim - AD6CW
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Scott Manthe-2

Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

Nice post, Jim.

Yaesu was giving mousepads this year, not hats. So apparently, even the
new, independent Yaesu can't afford to give away hats. I bought a hat
from Elecraft this year and didn't mind doing it. I then went over to
the embroidery booth and spent another $10 putting my call on the hat,
so I actually was dumb enough to spend $22 on my hat.

Elecraft is never going to be Yaesu, and that suits me just fine.
Elecraft has sold 7100 K3s. Yaesu has probably sold ten times as many
FT2000/5000/9000s. Plus Yaesu sells HTs and mobiles along with hundreds
of overpriced accessories (check the price of the non-upgradable DMU2000
to prove my point). So one cannot really compare the two companies. I
also really like the fact that Elecraft upgrades the K3 and doesn't make
me buy a new rig every couple of years to keep up with improvements.
So, those people complaining about Elecraft's tight purse strings should
take a minute to stop and think about why.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 5/19/13 3:17 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:

> That said, a couple of things. First of all, I'm not certain that
> Yaesu was giving away caps. I saw some, but they could have been from
> a prior event.
> Second, in talking with Lisa, she said that these were not $2 caps. I
> can see that they are made very well, and the Elecraft name and logo
> are embroidered. It's a dark blue color, which is my favorite. Third
> (okay, I lied), Elecraft is not Yaesu -yet. I'm sure that it cost
> quite a bit for booth space, travel, lodging and meals for the number
> of staffers who came along, and for shipping all of their display
> equipment both ways.
>
> The first time I stopped to talk with Lisa, a guy bought a KX3 with -
> cash! Wow! The second time, Lisa gave caps to another guy and his
> YL/XYL (or he may have paid for them; I don't know) but she said that
> he bought $10,000 worth of Elecraft products.
>
> You know, when this discussion began, I felt a bit ashamed to be a
> member of this fraternity. Same for whoever complained about not
> being able to get the convention discount when he didn't attend the
> convention. We hams have a reputation for being cheap, but if we can
> afford to buy the various Elecraft products, can't we afford to pay
> for a nicely-made cap?
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

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We will have the hats on the web order form by Wed of this week. (After we recover from Dayton - Whew!)

Eric
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_..._

On May 18, 2013, at 3:17 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wayne could I pre-order 3 left over hats from Dayton when you get back? If
> so I would even prepay for them.....NOW
>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
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> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
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>
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> I thought you would be GIVING them away in Dayton, not SELLING them :.(
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NZ9E

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

<quote author="Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft">
We will have the hats on the web order form by Wed of this week. (After we recover from Dayton - Whew!)

Eric
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_..._

To Eric and all the Elecrafters at Dayton this weekend:

THANK YOU!!! And may you recover quickly.

I literally can't tell you how extremely useful Dayton was to me this year, because of the employees of Elecraft and related companies. And I thought last year at Dayton was good!

Thanks for putting up with all of us. I know the sheer numbers can be daunting; someone compared the tsunami of hamsters descending upon the Elecraft booth at 9:01 am to the Capital One Vikings commercial.

I really like Elecraft's designs, and their commitment to get it right. Where else would you find a for-profit company with customers volunteering to help at the booth?

73,
Bob NZ9E

Jim Low man

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

In reply to this post by Millerhill

I'd prefer a T-shirt to a polo, if you guys decide to get into the shirt
business. Cafepress probably could be helpful.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 5/14/2013 8:00 PM, Stephen Roberts wrote:
> Yeah boys....me too!!
>
>
> On May 14, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Harlan wrote:
>
>> Maybe the "bosses" can make both hats and shirts available for a nominal fee on the website...... 8>)
>>
>>

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k4win

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

Tee shirts and polos? I'm all in too!

Chris k4win

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On May 19, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Jim Lowman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'd prefer a T-shirt to a polo, if you guys decide to get into the shirt business. Cafepress probably could be helpful.
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
> On 5/14/2013 8:00 PM, Stephen Roberts wrote:
>> Yeah boys....me too!!
>>
>>
>> On May 14, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Harlan wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the "bosses" can make both hats and shirts available for a nominal fee on the website...... 8>)
>
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Bruce Beford-2

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

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Evangelizing customers is a very important part of the Elecraft business and
advertising model.
It works. A small company like Elecraft relies upon (and needs) enthusiastic
customers to help "spread the word". It's the best advertising money can't
buy.
Bruce
N1RX

> I really like Elecraft's designs, and their commitment to get it right.
> Where else would you find a for-profit company with customers volunteering
> to help at the booth?

> 73,
> Bob NZ9E

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Scott Dunlavey

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

sounds like we have taken a sip of the lemonade ...
scott
On 5/19/2013 7:42 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:

> Evangelizing customers is a very important part of the Elecraft business and
> advertising model.
> It works. A small company like Elecraft relies upon (and needs) enthusiastic
> customers to help "spread the word". It's the best advertising money can't
> buy.
> Bruce
> N1RX
>
>
>
>> I really like Elecraft's designs, and their commitment to get it right.
>> Where else would you find a for-profit company with customers volunteering
>> to help at the booth?
>
>> 73,
>> Bob NZ9E
>
>
>
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Harlan Sherriff

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Sip? No, I drank the whole bottle...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Scott W2NTV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>sounds like we have taken a sip of the lemonade ...
>scott
>On 5/19/2013 7:42 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:
>> Evangelizing customers is a very important part of the Elecraft business and
>> advertising model.
>> It works. A small company like Elecraft relies upon (and needs) enthusiastic
>> customers to help "spread the word". It's the best advertising money can't
>> buy.
>> Bruce
>> N1RX
>>
>>
>>
>>> I really like Elecraft's designs, and their commitment to get it right.
>>> Where else would you find a for-profit company with customers volunteering
>>> to help at the booth?
>>
>>> 73,
>>> Bob NZ9E
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Mark n2qt

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

By the way talking to prospective buyers at the elecraft booth as a volunteer is
actually a lot of fun, highly recommended!

Mark. N2QT

On May 19, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Harlan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sip? No, I drank the whole bottle...
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
> Scott W2NTV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> sounds like we have taken a sip of the lemonade ...
>> scott
>> On 5/19/2013 7:42 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:
>>> Evangelizing customers is a very important part of the Elecraft business and
>>> advertising model.
>>> It works. A small company like Elecraft relies upon (and needs) enthusiastic
>>> customers to help "spread the word". It's the best advertising money can't
>>> buy.
>>> Bruce
>>> N1RX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I really like Elecraft's designs, and their commitment to get it right.
>>>> Where else would you find a for-profit company with customers volunteering
>>>> to help at the booth?
>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Bob NZ9E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Bruce Beford-2

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

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Agreed. I enjoy helping out at the Elecraft booth at every New England ARRL
Convention. I always take time during the weekend to answer any questions I
can for prospective buyers. I try not to exaggerate or sugar-coat. I give my
opinions and relay my experience. I explain why Elecraft products have a
prominent role in my station, having tried many different radios. My station
is not exclusively Elecraft, but I do have now, and have had, many of their
products. I have built, owned and repaired the entire product line, at one
time or another.

It's not about drinking the Kool-Aid. Many of you are probably too young to
remember the true history of that reference anyway; (Jonestown, Guyana,
1978). (For me), volunteering at the Elecraft booth is about sharing your
experiences with others, and letting them make their own judgments.
Answering questions honestly, and saying "I don't know", when that's the
case.

I do it to help share my experience, if anyone should ask. It's a small way
of "giving back", and helping other's make their own informed decisions.

Bruce
N1RX

> By the way talking to prospective buyers at the elecraft booth as a
volunteer is
> actually a lot of fun, highly recommended!

> Mark. N2QT

On May 19, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Harlan <hsherriff at reagan.com
<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > wrote:

> Sip? No, I drank the whole bottle...
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
> Scott W2NTV <sdunlavey at optimum.net
<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > wrote:
>
>> sounds like we have taken a sip of the lemonade ...
>> scott

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N5NA

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Please bring some to Hamcom next month!

73, Alan N5NA

On 5/19/2013 7:02 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

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> From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft<[hidden email]>
> To: Fred Smith<[hidden email]>
> Cc: "<[hidden email]>"<[hidden email]>
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> We will have the hats on the web order form by Wed of this week. (After we recover from Dayton - Whew!)
>
> Eric
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kevinr@coho.net

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

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I thought the reference was to Ken Keasey and The Merry Pranksters from
the '60s.
Kevin. KD5ONS

On 5/19/2013 5:35 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:

> Agreed. I enjoy helping out at the Elecraft booth at every New England ARRL
> Convention. I always take time during the weekend to answer any questions I
> can for prospective buyers. I try not to exaggerate or sugar-coat. I give my
> opinions and relay my experience. I explain why Elecraft products have a
> prominent role in my station, having tried many different radios. My station
> is not exclusively Elecraft, but I do have now, and have had, many of their
> products. I have built, owned and repaired the entire product line, at one
> time or another.
>
> It's not about drinking the Kool-Aid. Many of you are probably too young to
> remember the true history of that reference anyway; (Jonestown, Guyana,
> 1978). (For me), volunteering at the Elecraft booth is about sharing your
> experiences with others, and letting them make their own judgments.
> Answering questions honestly, and saying "I don't know", when that's the
> case.
>
> I do it to help share my experience, if anyone should ask. It's a small way
> of "giving back", and helping other's make their own informed decisions.
>
> Bruce
> N1RX
>
>> By the way talking to prospective buyers at the elecraft booth as a
> volunteer is
>> actually a lot of fun, highly recommended!
>
>> Mark. N2QT
>
> On May 19, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Harlan <hsherriff at reagan.com
> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > wrote:
>
>> Sip? No, I drank the whole bottle...
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>> Scott W2NTV <sdunlavey at optimum.net
> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > wrote:
>>> sounds like we have taken a sip of the lemonade ...
>>> scott
>
>
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Bruce Beford-2

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If you mean Ken Kesey, then no, I don't think that's the relevant reference.
Ken Kesey (and the gang of Merry Pranksters) used LSD laced Kool-Aid to
promote communal tripping.

The Jonestown example was far darker, a case of blindly following a
misguided trust to oblivion. It was after that incident that "drinking the
Kool-Aid", took on a whole new meaning...

It remains a cautionary tale, with a sober lesson that people should think
for themselves.

> I thought the reference was to Ken Keasey and The Merry Pranksters from
> the '60s.
> Kevin. KD5ONS

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kevinr@coho.net

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

From your etymology no one could ever state, "I drank the Kool Aide."
Kevin.

On 5/19/2013 7:38 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:

> If you mean Ken Kesey, then no, I don't think that's the relevant reference.
> Ken Kesey (and the gang of Merry Pranksters) used LSD laced Kool-Aid to
> promote communal tripping.
>
> The Jonestown example was far darker, a case of blindly following a
> misguided trust to oblivion. It was after that incident that "drinking the
> Kool-Aid", took on a whole new meaning...
>
> It remains a cautionary tale, with a sober lesson that people should think
> for themselves.
>
>> I thought the reference was to Ken Keasey and The Merry Pranksters from
>> the '60s.
>> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
>
>
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Bruce Beford-2

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Agreed. Nor should they. -Bruce

> From your etymology no one could ever state, "I drank the Kool Aide."
> Kevin.

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k6dgw

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OK, it's 1945PDT Sun night out here on the western frontier, that would
be 2145CDT in Dayton, and Dayton is over. Possibly the "Hat Traffic" on
the list, with or without elevated or buried radials, will subside? It
was fun for awhile, a little old now.

I have been to Dayton at Hamvention-time many times. In the hotel
elevators, packed in with a bunch of guys with multiple HT's on their
belts ... they went to Hamvention, I went to work at WPAFB. One of
these days ... hat or no hat.

Actually, how did "Dayton" become the ham radio destination for the
world in May? I know, the W Bros and bikes and all, but NC claims
"First in Flight," with some justification. It's a real question, off
list would be fine, one of my subsidiary hobbies is historical trivia.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
- www.cqp.org

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> go out of my way to support and recommend those that provide me with good
> value for my money because I want them around in the future.

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?

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Folks - Time to close this thread.

This topic has been beaten to death and is drifting afield.. Let's let it to rest. :-)

I'm ready to get a good night's sleep once we get home tonight (after 12 midnight PDT, 3 AM EDT.. ) and traveling for over 13 hrs after a long 3 days.

It was great seeing everyone this weekend!

73,
Eric - your happy and exhausted moderator after a very successful Dayton. At 35000 ft with 'hours to go before I sleep..'

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On May 19, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> OK, it's 1945PDT Sun night out here on the western frontier, that would be 2145CDT in Dayton, and Dayton is over. Possibly the "Hat Traffic" on the list, with or without elevated or buried radials, will subside? It was fun for awhile, a little old now.
>
> I have been to Dayton at Hamvention-time many times. In the hotel elevators, packed in with a bunch of guys with multiple HT's on their belts ... they went to Hamvention, I went to work at WPAFB. One of these days ... hat or no hat.
>
> Actually, how did "Dayton" become the ham radio destination for the world in May? I know, the W Bros and bikes and all, but NC claims "First in Flight," with some justification. It's a real question, off list would be fine, one of my subsidiary hobbies is historical trivia.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 5/19/2013 7:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>> No matter what the product or service for my business or for my pleasure I
>> go out of my way to support and recommend those that provide me with good
>> value for my money because I want them around in the future.
>
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Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton? Drinking the Kool Aide

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Actually, both the Ken Kesey reference and the Jim Jones People's Temple reference are valid sources for the phrase "I drank the Kool Aide", or "...drinking the Kool Aide". Real truth can be found only through Google! I drank the Google Kool Aide.

On May 19, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Bruce Beford <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton? Drinking the Kool Aide

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Let's also close this offshoot thread in the interest of getting list SNR back to a reasonable level.

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On May 19, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Actually, both the Ken Kesey reference and the Jim Jones People's Temple reference are valid sources for the phrase "I drank the Kool Aide", or "...drinking the Kool Aide". Real truth can be found only through Google! I drank the Google Kool Aide.
>
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> On May 19, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Bruce Beford <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> If you mean Ken Kesey, then no, I don't think that's the relevant reference.
>> Ken Kesey (and the gang of Merry Pranksters) used LSD laced Kool-Aid to
>> promote communal tripping.
>>
>> The Jonestown example was far darker, a case of blindly following a
>> misguided trust to oblivion. It was after that incident that "drinking the
>> Kool-Aid", took on a whole new meaning...
>>
>> It remains a cautionary tale, with a sober lesson that people should think
>> for themselves.
>>
>>> I thought the reference was to Ken Keasey and The Merry Pranksters from
>>> the '60s.
>>> Kevin. KD5ONS
>>
>>
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