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k4tmc
Is Elecraft Support active on the weekends?  No response received from
a late Friday afternoon note about a missing part.

My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders have
this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?

73,
Henry - K4TMC
K3 #98
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RE: Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?

Simon Lewis-7
Are you putting in the 100w PA??

Simon Lewis
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Is Elecraft Support active on the weekends?  No response received from
a late Friday afternoon note about a missing part.

My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders have
this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?

73,
Henry - K4TMC
K3 #98
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Re: Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?

k4tmc
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Simon, et al,

Thanks for the quick responses.  I thought that with all of us building
these over the weekend, there would be someone answering support
questions.  But, I know they have been busy, and maybe need some time
off to deal with other issues.

I do have the KPA3 100 watt amp to install.

The assembly manual that came with the kit indicates that it is not
necessary if you are going to install the KPA3.  However, the picture
in the manual does show it already installed from Elecraft.

The latest assembly manual, from the web site, indicates that you will
still need the PA Jumper Block to do some initial testing before
installing the KPA3.

So, I am trying to get clarification as to whether I really need it.  
And, if I do, I need to get someone to ship me one.

As an aside, it sure would be nice to know what changed from manual
revision to revision.  That way I could just update the manual that
came with the kit originally.  In my full-time job, when a procedure is
changed, there is always a sheet describing what
paragraphs/sentences/pages were changed.  That makes it easy to see
where the differences exist.

73,
Henry - K4TMC
K3#98

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Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 3:22 pm
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You can continue, you will not need it if you have the 100W PA. It
should /
could be on the mainboard anyway.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV


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Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?



> Is Elecraft Support active on the weekends?  No response received
from a
> late Friday afternoon note about a missing part.

>

> My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders
have
> this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?

>

> 73,

> Henry - K4TMC

> K3 #98

>
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RE: Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?

Simon Lewis-7
Henry

I would install the PAIO board that's in the 100w pa kit and use that by
setting the right setting in the menu PAIO normal setting under the KPA
config item - That should work as intended but with no PA installed and
allow your basic tests

The PA jumper is only needed if the 100w pa is not installed and no PAIO
board is available as far as I can see.

I think you should not have any issue doing that and it would work fine

Rgds

Simon




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Simon, et al,

Thanks for the quick responses.  I thought that with all of us building
these over the weekend, there would be someone answering support
questions.  But, I know they have been busy, and maybe need some time
off to deal with other issues.

I do have the KPA3 100 watt amp to install.

The assembly manual that came with the kit indicates that it is not
necessary if you are going to install the KPA3.  However, the picture
in the manual does show it already installed from Elecraft.

The latest assembly manual, from the web site, indicates that you will
still need the PA Jumper Block to do some initial testing before
installing the KPA3.

So, I am trying to get clarification as to whether I really need it.  
And, if I do, I need to get someone to ship me one.

As an aside, it sure would be nice to know what changed from manual
revision to revision.  That way I could just update the manual that
came with the kit originally.  In my full-time job, when a procedure is
changed, there is always a sheet describing what
paragraphs/sentences/pages were changed.  That makes it easy to see
where the differences exist.

73,
Henry - K4TMC
K3#98

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Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?









You can continue, you will not need it if you have the 100W PA. It
should /
could be on the mainboard anyway.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV


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Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?



> Is Elecraft Support active on the weekends?  No response received
from a
> late Friday afternoon note about a missing part.

>

> My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders
have
> this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?

>

> 73,

> Henry - K4TMC

> K3 #98

>
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RE: Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?

Ed Muns, W0YK
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Install the KPAIO3.  Either it or the simple jumper that is usually there
will allow you to run the K3 without the KPA3 installed for the initial
tests.  With the KPAIO3 (only), set CONFIG:KPA3 to 'PAio nor'.  During
installation of the KPA3, you will change this CONFIG:KPA3 setting a few
times, eventually ending up with it at 'KPA3 nor'.

73,
Ed - W0YK

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> Sent: Saturday, 01 December, 2007 13:01
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?
>
>
> Simon, et al,
>
> Thanks for the quick responses.  I thought that with all of
> us building these over the weekend, there would be someone
> answering support questions.  But, I know they have been
> busy, and maybe need some time off to deal with other issues.
>
> I do have the KPA3 100 watt amp to install.
>
> The assembly manual that came with the kit indicates that it
> is not necessary if you are going to install the KPA3.  
> However, the picture in the manual does show it already
> installed from Elecraft.
>
> The latest assembly manual, from the web site, indicates that
> you will still need the PA Jumper Block to do some initial
> testing before installing the KPA3.
>
> So, I am trying to get clarification as to whether I really need it.  
> And, if I do, I need to get someone to ship me one.
>
> As an aside, it sure would be nice to know what changed from
> manual revision to revision.  That way I could just update
> the manual that came with the kit originally.  In my
> full-time job, when a procedure is changed, there is always a
> sheet describing what paragraphs/sentences/pages were
> changed.  That makes it easy to see where the differences exist.
>
> 73,
> Henry - K4TMC
> K3#98
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Brown (HB9DRV) <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 3:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You can continue, you will not need it if you have the 100W
> PA. It should / could be on the mainboard anyway.
>
>
> Simon Brown, HB9DRV
>
>
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>
> To: <[hidden email]>
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> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:09 PM
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?
>
>
>
> > Is Elecraft Support active on the weekends?  No response received
> from a
> > late Friday afternoon note about a missing part.
>
> >
>
> > My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders
> have
> > this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> > Henry - K4TMC
>
> > K3 #98
>
> >
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N5GE
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:00:35 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Simon, et al,
[snip]

>As an aside, it sure would be nice to know what changed from manual
>revision to revision.  That way I could just update the manual that
>came with the kit originally.  In my full-time job, when a procedure is
>changed, there is always a sheet describing what
>paragraphs/sentences/pages were changed.  That makes it easy to see
>where the differences exist.
>
[snip]

Go to the web site and download the errata for the manuals in question is how I
would find out.

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k4tmc
So... I am wasting my time trying to build my K3 with the Assembly
Manual (Rev B-1) that came in the box!

I really did not want to throw away the manual that came in the box,
but it apparently is of little value now.

I am now stopping work and printing a new manual.

73,
Henry - K4TMC
(while its printing I think I'll go kick the dog)


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While most revisions to a new letter involve incorporating the items
shown
in the errata, there was an additional major change made between Rev B
and
Rev C of the K3 Kit Assembly Manual.

The procedure was reorganized to allow builders with the KPA3 100 watt
amplifier module to install the KPA3 shield assembly during the initial
build. That avoids removing the bottom covers and KNB3 module and
standoff
later to install the shield. New steps were added to actually install
the
shield, a number of existing steps were moved to put them in the most
convenient order.

Almost every page in the assembly procedure was changed in order to
accomplish that.

Ron AC7AC

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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:00:35 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Simon, et al,
[snip]

>As an aside, it sure would be nice to know what changed from manual
>revision to revision.  That way I could just update the manual that
>came with the kit originally.  In my full-time job, when a procedure
is
>changed, there is always a sheet describing what
>paragraphs/sentences/pages were changed.  That makes it easy to see
>where the differences exist.
>
[snip]

Go to the web site and download the errata for the manuals in question
is
how I would find out.

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq


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M0XDF
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Sorry, I should have replied earlier on this - I think I remember Ron (wrote
assembly manuals) or someone else from Elecraft saying that the jumper would
not be included in the kit if you ordered a K3/100.

On 1/12/07 21:00, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> sent:
> My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders
> have this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?
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M0XDF
Sorry, better ignore that, I've just seen the mail from Ron saying it should
be there etc.
Back to waiting ...


On 2/12/07 11:51, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> sent:

> Sorry, I should have replied earlier on this - I think I remember Ron (wrote
> assembly manuals) or someone else from Elecraft saying that the jumper would
> not be included in the kit if you ordered a K3/100.
>
> On 1/12/07 21:00, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> sent:
>> My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders
>> have this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?

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RE: Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?

Ed K1EP
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You won't be able to do the low power tests without either the jumper
or the PAIO board.  The jumper was installed to make sure that you
could do the tests without doing the PA install AND to make sure that
you removed the jumper BEFORE doing any PA tests.


At 12/1/2007 04:12 PM, Simon Lewis wrote:

>Henry
>
>I would install the PAIO board that's in the 100w pa kit and use that by
>setting the right setting in the menu PAIO normal setting under the KPA
>config item - That should work as intended but with no PA installed and
>allow your basic tests
>
>The PA jumper is only needed if the 100w pa is not installed and no PAIO
>board is available as far as I can see.
>
>I think you should not have any issue doing that and it would work fine
>
>Rgds
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>
>Simon Lewis
>GM4PLM/DL4PLM
>http://www.dl4plm.net
>
>
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>To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?
>
>
>
>Simon, et al,
>
>Thanks for the quick responses.  I thought that with all of us building
>these over the weekend, there would be someone answering support
>questions.  But, I know they have been busy, and maybe need some time
>off to deal with other issues.
>
>I do have the KPA3 100 watt amp to install.
>
>The assembly manual that came with the kit indicates that it is not
>necessary if you are going to install the KPA3.  However, the picture
>in the manual does show it already installed from Elecraft.
>
>The latest assembly manual, from the web site, indicates that you will
>still need the PA Jumper Block to do some initial testing before
>installing the KPA3.
>
>So, I am trying to get clarification as to whether I really need it.
>And, if I do, I need to get someone to ship me one.
>
>As an aside, it sure would be nice to know what changed from manual
>revision to revision.  That way I could just update the manual that
>came with the kit originally.  In my full-time job, when a procedure is
>changed, there is always a sheet describing what
>paragraphs/sentences/pages were changed.  That makes it easy to see
>where the differences exist.
>
>73,
>Henry - K4TMC
>K3#98
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Simon Brown (HB9DRV) <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 3:22 pm
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>You can continue, you will not need it if you have the 100W PA. It
>should /
>could be on the mainboard anyway.
>
>
>Simon Brown, HB9DRV
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[hidden email]>
>
>To: <[hidden email]>
>
>Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:09 PM
>
>Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?
>
>
>
> > Is Elecraft Support active on the weekends?  No response received
>from a
> > late Friday afternoon note about a missing part.
>
> >
>
> > My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders
>have
> > this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> > Henry - K4TMC
>
> > K3 #98
>
> >
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RE: Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?

Simon Lewis-7
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Mine came with one and I ordered a pa - maybe they changed their mind!


Simon Lewis
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Ferrington,
M0XDF
Sent: Sonntag, 2. Dezember 2007 12:52
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?


Sorry, I should have replied earlier on this - I think I remember Ron (wrote
assembly manuals) or someone else from Elecraft saying that the jumper would
not be included in the kit if you ordered a K3/100.

On 1/12/07 21:00, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> sent:
> My RF board is missing the PA Jumper Block.  Any other K3 builders
> have this problem?  Is it safe to proceed with assembly?
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Re: Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?

David Pratt-2
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>Sorry, I should have replied earlier on this - I think I remember Ron (wrote
>assembly manuals) or someone else from Elecraft saying that the jumper would
>not be included in the kit if you ordered a K3/100.

Thank you, David, I wondering that myself.  Now we all know not to
expect the jumper with our K3/100s.

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Re: Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends? - Update

k4tmc
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Ron,

Thanks for the clarification on the changes.  I did find that the
changes are less significant than I first thought.  So, I am proceeding
with Rev B, but am also following the same steps in Rev C.  My
frustration was centered around the changes relative to the PA Jumper
Block.  One manual implied that I would not need it since I had the 100
watt amp, while the other clearly stated that I still needed it.  Then
I became concerned about what other similar changes that may be
forthcoming as I proceeded.  And, the manual information on the web
page would not allow me to track the changes between my manual and the
latest manual.

Coupled with that was finding the item missing from a board that was
supposed to be checked before shipment.  The jumper block is the only
thing that can be easily removed from the RF board.  Thusly, that
should be a high priority check before placing them into the bags.

As an aside for others, my professional background is quality
assurance/quality control, and these types of problems are normal
issues that develop in manufacturing new products or in low quantity
standard products.  This goes along with the already discussed product
delays.

For those concerned about the dog...she is fine.  I found that I did
not have to print the whole Rev C manual; therefore, I took her for a
walk.  The fresh air helped both of us!

Also, I did get a response from Elecraft Support on Saturday afternoon,
less than 24 hours after my separate note to them.  Realizing that it
is the weekend and the workload they may be experiencing, I find that
satisfactory.  I found that I have been spoiled by the quicker
responses from Elecraft users and experts like W3FPR, etc.

Lisa can expect a phone call from me Monday requesting a PA Jumper
Block.

Back to the workbench...and more frequent walks...

73,
Henry - K4TMC


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Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:23 pm
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Support on the Weekends?










Not a bit. Rev B will get you there perfectly. Rev C streamlines the
process
to remove perhaps 5 minutes of work, that's all.

Because many steps were moved around, if you've started assembly with
Rev B
I recommend you finish using that Rev to be sure you don't miss any
steps.

Ron AC7AC

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So... I am wasting my time trying to build my K3 with the Assembly
Manual (Rev B-1) that came in the box!

I really did not want to throw away the manual that came in the box,
but it apparently is of little value now.

I am now stopping work and printing a new manual.

73,
Henry - K4TMC
(while its printing I think I'll go kick the dog)


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Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 8:03 pm
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While most revisions to a new letter involve incorporating the items
shown
in the errata, there was an additional major change made between Rev B
and
Rev C of the K3 Kit Assembly Manual.

The procedure was reorganized to allow builders with the KPA3 100 watt
amplifier module to install the KPA3 shield assembly during the initial
build. That avoids removing the bottom covers and KNB3 module and
standoff
later to install the shield. New steps were added to actually install
the
shield, a number of existing steps were moved to put them in the most
convenient order.

Almost every page in the assembly procedure was changed in order to
accomplish that.

Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:00:35 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Simon, et al,
[snip]

>As an aside, it sure would be nice to know what changed from manual
>revision to revision.  That way I could just update the manual that
>came with the kit originally.  In my full-time job, when a procedure
is
>changed, there is always a sheet describing what
>paragraphs/sentences/pages were changed.  That makes it easy to see
>where the differences exist.
>
[snip]

Go to the web site and download the errata for the manuals in question
is
how I would find out.

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq


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