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wayne burdick
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We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa  
Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have  
working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.

The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer  
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide  
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other  
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing  
angle.

Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:

   http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ

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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

Per Brix, OZ5ABO
Great - I was only minutes away from ordering the LP-Pan solution. I am sure its quite good, but I think I'll wait and see what the P3 is all about


Vy 73's de OZ5ABO, Per

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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

David Gilbert
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Two quick questions:

1.  Does it have any kind of point/click capability for tuning the K3 to a signal visible on the P3?

and/or

2.  Does it provide any capability to feed I/Q signals to a computer for use by third party software (such as CW Skimmer).

Thanks es 73,
Dave   AB7E




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Sent: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa  
Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have  
working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.

The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer  
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide  
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other  
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing  
angle.

Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:

   http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ

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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

Brett Howard
>From the description I'd almost guarantee the answer to number 1 is a no.

I'm still very interested.


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Two quick questions:

1.  Does it have any kind of point/click capability for tuning the K3 to a
signal visible on the P3?

and/or

2.  Does it provide any capability to feed I/Q signals to a computer for use
by third party software (such as CW Skimmer).

Thanks es 73,
Dave   AB7E




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Sent: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa  
Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have  
working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.

The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer  
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide  
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other  
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing  
angle.

Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:

   http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ

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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

NZ0T
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Could you please post a picture for those of us that can't see the P3 in person?
wayne burdick wrote
We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa  
Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have  
working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.

The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer  
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide  
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other  
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing  
angle.

Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:

   http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ

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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

wayne burdick
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Dave - AB7E wrote:

> 1.  Does it have any kind of point/click capability for tuning the  
> K3 to a signal visible on the P3?

Yes.

> 2.  Does it provide any capability to feed I/Q signals to a computer  
> for use by third party software (such as CW Skimmer).

Not at present, but this might be accommodated by a change to the I/O  
board on the rear panel.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday
>
> We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa
> Barbara hamfest....


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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

PA3CW
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I am so much looking forward to the panadapter ! Any news when it is available for shipment?
Dick pa3cw

wayne burdick wrote
We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa  
Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have  
working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.

The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer  
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide  
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other  
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing  
angle.

Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:

   http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ

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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

K2QI
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Now I see why everyone was dumping their LP-Pans!

This is definitely on my Christmas list.  I think I've just had a Kool-Aid
refill. :))

Wish I could make to the SB Hamfest.... too bad I'm in New York.  How about
a "sneak picture" for us East Coasters?
73 de James K2QI
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa
> Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have
> working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.
>
> The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer
> needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide
> -- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other
> accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing
> angle.
>
> Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:
>
>   http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm
>
> 73,
> Wayne, N6KR
> Eric, WA6HHQ
>
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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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Later this year. We'll post more details as that gets firmed up.

We'll take some pictures at the show this weekend.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
Elecraft



PA3CW wrote:

> I am so much looking forward to the panadapter ! Any news when it is
> available for shipment?
> Dick pa3cw
>
>
> wayne burdick wrote:
>  
>> We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa  
>> Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have  
>> working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.
>>
>> The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer  
>> needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide  
>> -- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other  
>> accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing  
>> angle.
>>
>> Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:
>>
>>    http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne, N6KR
>> Eric, WA6HHQ
>>
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P3 Info!

E72X
From: wayne burdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: April 28, 2007 11:25:51 AM PDT
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: K3 and its future external panadapter

Sometime in the future (give us at least six months!) we'll be
offering a very high-performance panadapter for the K3. Let's call it
a "P3" for now. The P3 will work with any radio that has an I.F. tap,
but it will be styled to match the K3. We're thinking 2/3rds of the
K3's width, but the same height and depth. It may have a speaker
and/or 20 A power supply. Your input on this would be very welcome.
Early on in the K3 design process, we decided not to include an
*internal* panadapter. Here's our reasoning:
 - A panadapter takes up a *lot* of front-panel real-estate. So, if
you want to
   keep the radio at compact desktop size, you have to displace a lot
of controls.
   The displaced controls end up buried in menus or "soft keys,"
making basic
   radio operation much more difficult. The K3 has a menu for things
rarely used,
   but since there's no huge display, we were able to put every
often-used control
   at your fingertips, optimally placed with respect to the LCD. A
good example
   is our filter passband graphic, which is centered directly above
the DSP controls.
 - An internal panadapter adds a lot of cost. Many customers, we felt,
would
   rather have such cost be optional. If you want a panadapter, you'll
be able
   get our P3 and set it beside the rig. Then, if you want to grab
your K3 and head
   for the hills, you can optionally leave the panadapter on the desk
(along with
   its speaker and power supply).

 - Internal panadapters often have severe performance compromises.
There's at least one
   very new radio on the market with a panadapter that takes over the
rig during sweeps.
   Many of them are sluggish or have user-interface issues due to lack
of panel space.
   Our external panadapter will be an entirely independent unit, so it
will not interfere
   with radio use at all, either operationally or due to overloading
of controls.
   That said, it will be highly integrated with, and controlled by,
the K3 (or
   attached computer).

 - We may use a display technology that offers faster rewrite speeds
than you can get
   in an inexpensive graphic LCD such as the type most often used for
internal panadapters.
   With the panadapter in a separate enclosure, we'll be able to use
very fast logic,
   and possibly an exotic display such as an OLED (organic LED),
without incurring
   any RFI problems.

73,
Wayne




     
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Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

Ken Kopp-3
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Boy, had we had a bit more advance notice, Rose and I would
be on the way to SB!  It's 1201 miles from here, but we'd likely
made the trip for a peek.

Also, we've just returned (Sunday) from the NW DX Convention
in Spokane.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

David Gilbert
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I certainly hope Elecraft decides to implement that capability.  There are enough very interesting SDR-type applications (with even more likely to surface) that it would be extremely difficult for me to justify buying a P3 (no matter how elegant) if it didn't have the ability to output the I/Q signals to a computer, given existing alternatives.

73,
Dave   AB7E




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> 2.  Does it provide any capability to feed I/Q signals to a computer  
> for use by third party software (such as CW Skimmer).

Not at present, but this might be accommodated by a change to the I/O  
board on the rear panel.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: P3 Info!

Doug Person
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Wayne,
I would vote for an included internal speaker since this would add
minimal cost and make available an optional power supply.

Doug -- K0DXV

Gordan Hribar wrote:

> From: wayne burdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: April 28, 2007 11:25:51 AM PDT
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: K3 and its future external panadapter
>
> Sometime in the future (give us at least six months!) we'll be
> offering a very high-performance panadapter for the K3. Let's call it
> a "P3" for now. The P3 will work with any radio that has an I.F. tap,
> but it will be styled to match the K3. We're thinking 2/3rds of the
> K3's width, but the same height and depth. It may have a speaker
> and/or 20 A power supply. Your input on this would be very welcome.
> Early on in the K3 design process, we decided not to include an
> *internal* panadapter. Here's our reasoning:
>  - A panadapter takes up a *lot* of front-panel real-estate. So, if
> you want to
>    keep the radio at compact desktop size, you have to displace a lot
> of controls.
>    The displaced controls end up buried in menus or "soft keys,"
> making basic
>    radio operation much more difficult. The K3 has a menu for things
> rarely used,
>    but since there's no huge display, we were able to put every
> often-used control
>    at your fingertips, optimally placed with respect to the LCD. A
> good example
>    is our filter passband graphic, which is centered directly above
> the DSP controls.
>  - An internal panadapter adds a lot of cost. Many customers, we felt,
> would
>    rather have such cost be optional. If you want a panadapter, you'll
> be able
>    get our P3 and set it beside the rig. Then, if you want to grab
> your K3 and head
>    for the hills, you can optionally leave the panadapter on the desk
> (along with
>    its speaker and power supply).
>
>  - Internal panadapters often have severe performance compromises.
> There's at least one
>    very new radio on the market with a panadapter that takes over the
> rig during sweeps.
>    Many of them are sluggish or have user-interface issues due to lack
> of panel space.
>    Our external panadapter will be an entirely independent unit, so it
> will not interfere
>    with radio use at all, either operationally or due to overloading
> of controls.
>    That said, it will be highly integrated with, and controlled by,
> the K3 (or
>    attached computer).
>
>  - We may use a display technology that offers faster rewrite speeds
> than you can get
>    in an inexpensive graphic LCD such as the type most often used for
> internal panadapters.
>    With the panadapter in a separate enclosure, we'll be able to use
> very fast logic,
>    and possibly an exotic display such as an OLED (organic LED),
> without incurring
>    any RFI problems.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>      
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Re: P3 Info!

P.B. Christensen
> Wayne,
> I would vote for an included internal speaker since this would add
> minimal cost and make available an optional power supply.

Great idea.  If it's decided to proceed in that direction, please include
K9YC as part of the acoustic enclosure design team!   It really doesn't cost
any more to turn a simple speaker driver into a high-grade audio device with
a baffled enclosure design.  A few key presses on an HP calculator and use
of the right materials goes a long way.

Paul, W9AC

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Re: P3 Info!

Bruce McLaughlin-2
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It sounds very exciting Wayne and something I am certainly going to be
looking for.  Of course, the display should be as detailed as possible, i.e.
better than most of the displays found on radios that feature pan adapters.
I don't think I need name them.  I will say the panadapter for the flex
radio is very nice, but of course it does run via the computer.  I don't
know whether it will be possible to have one as detailed as that but if it
is it surely would be most useful.  It also be nice if the K-3 could be
controlled through the panadapter with some sort of point and click routine.
I do think having an included power supply and speaker would be very useful.
It would be easier to cart the whole thing off for work in the field as
there would be no need for many boxes and many connecting wires.  The idea
of having an organic display is interesting -- perhaps it could then grow as
needs change.  Of course some means would have to be provided to control its
growth as it would be rather disconcerting to come into the ham shack some
evening to find that the pan adapter has grown to be 10 feet tall and 5 feet
wide and is growling at you!  Of course, perhaps your organic stuff would
not have those characteristics.

All joking aside, your ideas sound very exciting and I will look forward to
see how they develop and mature.

Bruce-W8FU

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:07 PM
To: Gordan Hribar
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Info!

Wayne,
I would vote for an included internal speaker since this would add
minimal cost and make available an optional power supply.

Doug -- K0DXV

Gordan Hribar wrote:

> From: wayne burdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: April 28, 2007 11:25:51 AM PDT
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: K3 and its future external panadapter
>
> Sometime in the future (give us at least six months!) we'll be
> offering a very high-performance panadapter for the K3. Let's call it
> a "P3" for now. The P3 will work with any radio that has an I.F. tap,
> but it will be styled to match the K3. We're thinking 2/3rds of the
> K3's width, but the same height and depth. It may have a speaker
> and/or 20 A power supply. Your input on this would be very welcome.
> Early on in the K3 design process, we decided not to include an
> *internal* panadapter. Here's our reasoning:
>  - A panadapter takes up a *lot* of front-panel real-estate. So, if
> you want to
>    keep the radio at compact desktop size, you have to displace a lot
> of controls.
>    The displaced controls end up buried in menus or "soft keys,"
> making basic
>    radio operation much more difficult. The K3 has a menu for things
> rarely used,
>    but since there's no huge display, we were able to put every
> often-used control
>    at your fingertips, optimally placed with respect to the LCD. A
> good example
>    is our filter passband graphic, which is centered directly above
> the DSP controls.
>  - An internal panadapter adds a lot of cost. Many customers, we felt,
> would
>    rather have such cost be optional. If you want a panadapter, you'll
> be able
>    get our P3 and set it beside the rig. Then, if you want to grab
> your K3 and head
>    for the hills, you can optionally leave the panadapter on the desk
> (along with
>    its speaker and power supply).
>
>  - Internal panadapters often have severe performance compromises.
> There's at least one
>    very new radio on the market with a panadapter that takes over the
> rig during sweeps.
>    Many of them are sluggish or have user-interface issues due to lack
> of panel space.
>    Our external panadapter will be an entirely independent unit, so it
> will not interfere
>    with radio use at all, either operationally or due to overloading
> of controls.
>    That said, it will be highly integrated with, and controlled by,
> the K3 (or
>    attached computer).
>
>  - We may use a display technology that offers faster rewrite speeds
> than you can get
>    in an inexpensive graphic LCD such as the type most often used for
> internal panadapters.
>    With the panadapter in a separate enclosure, we'll be able to use
> very fast logic,
>    and possibly an exotic display such as an OLED (organic LED),
> without incurring
>    any RFI problems.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>      
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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

Bruce McLaughlin-2
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Gosh, I wish I lived closer to Santa Barbara but 2500 miles is a bit too far
for a weekend jaunt!  It certainly sounds very exciting.  I am looking
forward to further details and developments as they occur and am very much
interested in acquiring one when it becomes available.

Bruce-W8FU

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Dave - AB7E wrote:

> 1.  Does it have any kind of point/click capability for tuning the  
> K3 to a signal visible on the P3?

Yes.

> 2.  Does it provide any capability to feed I/Q signals to a computer  
> for use by third party software (such as CW Skimmer).

Not at present, but this might be accommodated by a change to the I/O  
board on the rear panel.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday
>
> We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa
> Barbara hamfest....


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Re: P3 Info!

KK7P
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> ... The idea
> of having an organic display is interesting -- perhaps it could then grow as
> needs change.  Of course some means would have to be provided to control its
> growth as it would be rather disconcerting to come into the ham shack some
> evening to find that the pan adapter has grown to be 10 feet tall and 5 feet
> wide and is growling at you!

If you listen carefully, the growl is saying, "Feed me, Seymour!"

73,

Lyle KK7P  (who never studied dentistry...)

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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

AD4C2009
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ALELUYA !!! Finally what all of us has been waiting,a real panadapter to see the band,I will pray for some one who could go to that show and take good pictures to post on the web,I want to see how pretty that will look,I am on the list of future buyers for sure,congratulations once again Wayne and Eric.
 
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We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa 
Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have 
working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.

The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer 
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6" wide 
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other 
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing 
angle.

Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:

   http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ

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Re: Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

Fred Atchley
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Wayne & Eric, tell the BBQ man to bring more food. I wasn't planning to go
but now that you are going to unveil the P3, I'll be there with bells on.
You should probably get a kickback from SBARC for doubling the attendees as
a result of this announcement. 73, Fred AE6IC

 

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Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

Don Nesbitt
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OK - times up! It's after Noon out there! Surely there is someone at the
hamfest with an iPhone, Blackberry or something else that can snap a photo
and post it somewhere!  Or - did all the "feedback" cancel the showing?
Please, do it now and put us out of our collective misery - please!  73 --
Don N4HH K3/100 #83

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