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Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

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Elecraft Mail LIST GUIDELINES 2010

For those of you who are new to the list, (and for those of us who have
rapidly failing memories..), here is a quick list of things to remember when
posting to this list. Please save this for future reference.

The most important thing to remember is that this is only a hobby - Let's
have fun! The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a forum for
discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to Elecraft, share
troubleshooting ideas etc.

1. YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED to the [Elecraft] list TO POST to it. (This is
done to stop advertising spammers from hitting the list.) Any postings sent
to [hidden email] by addresses different from the exact ones it
shows as subscribers will be rejected.

This includes alias (forwarded) addresses like [hidden email]. If you use an
alias to subscribe you must have it as your from: and return address too.
Subscribing with [hidden email] from your physical address of
[hidden email] will allow you to receive postings, but your postings to
the list will be rejected if their from: and reply to: address does not
match your subscribe address..

Go to http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft to subscribe and to
change your list preferences. To unsubscribe or to change your list
preferences (digest, no mail on/off etc.), scroll to the bottom of the page
and log in with your subscribed email address and the password that was sent
to you by email when you subscribed (and monthly afterwards.)

2. If you want to provide an attachment, .JPG picture or other large
file for use on the list, first post it to your personal web
page and then post a link to its address in an email to the list. The list
strips all attachments to prevent viruses from propagating and to keep
the archives at a reasonable size.

3. Please keep the amount of copied text from previous posts to an
-ABSOLUTE MINIMUM- in your replies.

Always delete -everything- from the prior
post except what is necessary to keep your reply in context. Most copied
messages can be reduced to one or two sentences to retain context. Remember to
delete the email list footer from the previous post and especially avoid
copying a long posting and adding 'Me Too!' or something similar. As the
number of users on this list grows (over 1500 now) we need to work to minimize
information overload... If a reply is -not- of interest to the list, just
reply directly to the posting party.

4. EMAIL OVERLOAD:
If you are overloaded by the volume of individual messages on the list,
You can view the daily Elecraft list messages for each month in web
format at: http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html . These archives are updated
hourly and list postings by subject. (the nabble archive looks very useful.)
Just click on the ones you are interested in to read.

You can also set your Elecraft list email preferences to 'no mail' delivery,
which still allows you to post to the list when reading via the digest.

You can also change your subscription to the DIGEST version, which sends you a
single compilation each day.

To change your email list options or to subscribe / unsubscribe, go to:
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Scroll to the bottom of the page to log into your preferences page and set
your mail options to 'no mail'.

4a. Please make an effort to keep list volume under control by resisting the
urge to post a comment on every long discussion thread (CW, Soldering etc.) With
close to 6,500 list subscribers volume can quickly get out of control if
everyone feels the need to comment. While we do not overly restrict the subject
matter on this list, please remember that its primary focus is on Elecraft
products, and their use. Many people rely on it for pointers on building and
troubleshooting their kits. Other ham Radio topics are OK, but please keep the
posts on non-Elecraft topics under control.

4b. *** [NEW] When emailing about a specific rig or option, please add the
rig/option name(s) to the first part of your email subject line. (K1, K2, K3,
KX1 etc.) This will be a huge help for those experiencing email overload and
will allow automatic filtering based on subject line.

Examples: "Subject: [K3] Filter Options"
"Subject: [KX1] How to use ped portable?"
"Subject: [XG2] Wow! Its a big help.

5. *** IMPORTANT - PLEASE KEEP ALL POSTINGS CORDIAL.

Restrain the urge to email someone admonishing them about a posting.
The last thing we want to do is to scare anyone off the list. Overly aggressive
postings and negative comments about other posters only serve to scare away new
potential list members.

Waiting over night before hitting 'send' really helps to put things in
perspective.. ;-)

If you have a complaint about someone or a thread please email it directly
to me ( eric(at)elecraft.com ) and I'll address it.

5a. Please do not post publicly or privately asking people to stop a particular
thread, no matter how long, off topic or repetitive it gets. Email me instead. I
will step in when I feel it is necessary to end a thread.
(eric(at)elecraft.com)

5a1. Please exercise restraint in posting when a thread is getting heavily
covered. 30 posts on one topic in a day (like the recurring CW thread) is
usually excessive. Please do not vote yay/nay or with 'me too' postings.

5b. Please do not post any direct attacks or snide comments directed at a
list member. Enthusiastic arguments are encouraged, but please keep
everything cordial. Members who verbally attack another (either via the list
or via direct email) may be removed from the list.

As the 'official' list moderator, I'll jump in as necessary to keep everything
orderly. I do this off line and occasionally to the list when it is
appropriate. Our goal is to keep the Elecraft list a fun, informative
central clearing house for Elecraft information and enthusiasm.

6. Please POST your technical questions and comments to the list.
Elecraft owners are your best source for quick answers (and they NEVER
sleep!) If you don't get the answers you need from the list please email us
direct at support(at)elecraft.com , which is our customer service address. We
do try to watch the list traffic, but we may not respond to everything
immediately and may miss some postings sent to the list or our personal
addresses.

7. Please post your experiences with your Elecraft kit, DX worked, crazy
ideas, product ideas, complaints (yes - we do want to hear them, but please keep
it polite :-) .

7. Commercial postings are allowed if they relate to Elecraft products, QRP,
QRO, home-brewing, building etc. and are of interest to this list's
membership. Please keep them as short as possible and provide web links to
more detailed information. I'll step in if we feel someone is posting too
many messages of this type.

7a. Please limit commercial postings to one per month per offering or
product area (i.e. Builder for Hire postings, ham radio related products etc.)

8. Personal attacks, flames, or strongly worded derogatory messages will not
be tolerated. Please do not criticize postings by others.

9. Send parts requests direct to [hidden email], not to the list.

10. If you don't get an answer to a question from the list, or by checking
the list archives, don't forget to check the Builder's Resource Page at
http://www.elecraft.com and our support email address: [hidden email]

11. And above all, HAVE FUN!. We hope that this list is both a good
technical resource and serves as a Elecraft community gathering place. We
enjoy reading it every day and it really helps us keep our energy level high
so we can continue getting exciting new kit projects out the door to you!

73, Eric WA6HHQ
Elecraft List Moderator

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Doug Turnbull

Short Wave Receiver

Hi Eric and Elecrafters,
I have just installed my second RX with the KBPF3. I am just now
listening to the shortwave broadcast bands and using the 13 KHz NBFM filter
and 6 kHz AM filter am surprised at how good the radio does with a pair of
micro KLH HiFi Speakers for SWLing. This is not my normal hobby but I
wonder if as others have suggested if Elecrafter may have a ready made
product for a market which may be larger than the ham market. A top end
SWL receiver might not be too difficult for Elecraft to eventually add to
their product line.

The K3 is certainly providing me with entertainment. My normally
feeling is that all bands must take second place to HF amateur bands. Six
and two meters are for me very much secondary to the best performance on the
HF bands for which no compromise should be made. The K3 however seems to
do it all. Wayne and Eric at Elecraft are truly fine engineers.

73 Doug EI2CN

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Paul - WW2PT

Re: Short Wave Receiver

As an SWL since childhood, this is a subject near and dear to my
heart... :-)

After JRC and Drake abandoned the consumer HF receiver market there
has been a dearth of great tabletop receivers for the SWL. There are
commercial receivers but they cost multi-kilobucks, leaving little in
the middle between pro receivers and portables -- Icom R75 being the
only amateur manufacturer to offer any HF receivers, and I never cared
for their past offerings like the R71A and R72. I know many non-ham
SWLs who are using transceivers in order to get the advanced features
needed for serious SWLing (good filtering, noise reduction, notch,
passband shift, etc) without having to spend upwards of $4000 for a
pro box.

I don't know that removing the transmitter section from the K3 and
repackaging it as a receiver would knock enough off the price of a
basic K3 with KBPF3 and a 6 kHz filter (approx. $1700) to make it a
worthwhile venture for Elecraft. The $1700 price is actually quite
attractive, considering that's about what a JRC NRD-535D sold for
nearly 20 years ago. I've recommended the K3 to several SWLs recently;
whether any of them bought one is uncertain, but the price tag
certainly didn't scare anyone away.

73,
Paul WW2PT

On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:

> Hi Eric and Elecrafters,
> I have just installed my second RX with the KBPF3. I am just now
> listening to the shortwave broadcast bands and using the 13 KHz NBFM
> filter
> and 6 kHz AM filter am surprised at how good the radio does with a
> pair of
> micro KLH HiFi Speakers for SWLing. This is not my normal hobby
> but I
> wonder if as others have suggested if Elecrafter may have a ready made
> product for a market which may be larger than the ham market. A
> top end
> SWL receiver might not be too difficult for Elecraft to eventually
> add to
> their product line.

Bob & Debbie Fish

Re: Short Wave Receiver

Hi Guys,

I also was an SWL'er as a kid but haven't done much of it recently
because most of my rigs over the years have been Ham band only.
I did, however order my K3 with the General Coverage option. I am also
very impressed with the great sound when a good pair of tabletop
speakers are added to the rig. I have done a limited amount of searching
at night between 40 and 80 meters. In the day I have looked a bit between
30 and 15 meters. I have had a hard time finding interesting English
language programming. Which brings me to the question, for those of you
that enjoy
SWL'ing, what are your favorite programs. What Freq are they on and
when? I did stumble across a Morning show from an African Station one
evening late here in Ca.
I think they were in Zimbabwe. They had traffic reports, financial
reports and a couple of guys joking around in between, just like a
drive time show here in the
states I found it fascinating. So what do you SWL'ers listen to?

Sorry if this is Off Topic or too long,

Bob K6GGO

> As an SWL since childhood, this is a subject near and dear to my
> heart... :-)
>
>
>
>
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Dave KQ3T

Re: Short Wave Receiver

In reply to this post by Paul - WW2PT

What about the Ten-Tec RX320D
<http://radio.tentec.com/amateur/receivers/RX320D>?

73,
Dave

WW2PT wrote:
> ...

> There are
> commercial receivers but they cost multi-kilobucks, leaving little in
> the middle between pro receivers and portables -- Icom R75 being the
> only amateur manufacturer to offer any HF receivers,

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Paul - WW2PT

Re: Short Wave Receiver

I hereby revise and extend my remarks to read, "Icom being the only
amateur manufacturer to offer any HF receivers with knobs and
buttons." ;-)

Admittedly, I considered the Ten-Tec RX-340 ($4000+, clearly falls
into the "pro" category) but forgot about the 320D which I'm sure is a
fine radio.

73,
Paul WW2PT

On Feb 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Dave KQ3T wrote:

> What about the Ten-Tec RX320D
> <http://radio.tentec.com/amateur/receivers/RX320D>?
>
> 73,
> Dave
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Paul - WW2PT

Re: Short Wave Receiver

In reply to this post by Bob & Debbie Fish

Bob, try these two web sites:

http://www.short-wave.info/

http://www.primetimeshortwave.com/

Not sure if that helps with the "interesting" part, but certainly
helps you find English broadcasts!

My favorite stations have always been Radio Australia and Radio New
Zealand. They come pounding into Texas early mornings on the 31m band.
Haven't done much SWBC DXing in recent years but found RA and RNZ
while testing out the K3's AM synch detection and ended up staying up
until dawn listening to them, feeling nostalgic about the old days
when I used to do the same thing with a DX-160...

73!
Paul WW2PT

On Feb 17, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Robert Fish wrote:

> I have had a hard time finding interesting English language
> programming.

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w7aqk

Re: Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

In reply to this post by Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Eric and all,

I'm probably going to be "hooted" for this post, but I think it is
pertinent.

First, let me say that I love this reflector. It is a bastion of excellent
info, even when it doesn't absolutely, directly, involve an Elecraft
product. I thank you for allowing it to be "flexible". I also think you
exercise reasonable restraint on topics that tend to wander.

I have one really big problem with this reflector--that is the fact that it
is so popular! That's a "plus", and it's a "minus", depending on the time
of day, the number of sunspots, and so on!

So, what's my problem? It's the volume of info that comes across this
reflector. I don't mind the volume so much as I do the way the host ISP
handles it. I have chosen to receive each message as posted because the
alternative, receiving the digest, is very awkward! I would much prefer to
receive the digest, and then just scroll down until I see something that
doesn't seem to be of interest. However, If I use the digest mode, and if
something is seemingly of interest, I have to scroll down (endlessly)
through all the posts to get to that particulart post. So, I subscribe to
the alternative that sends me every post, and I wear out my delete key!

The Yahoo groups have a much better system. If you opt for the digest mode,
you can simply scroll through a summary of the posts, and click on the post
you want to view, then go directly to that post. That is a huge advantage
on those reflectors, particular if they are anywhere as popular as this one.

I'm sure I'm spitting in the wind, but I wish so much that this reflector
was hosted by Yahoo, or some other system that provided that sort of
benefit. I think it would alleviate a lot of the complaints we see/hear
from others about various "OT' posts as well.

This is a very big reflector (as far as the number of daily posts--I
frequently get a hundred or more posts each day on this reflector alone),
and I think it is worthy of a better system for managing the monitoring
process.

I am not suggesting Yahoo specifically, but surely there is a choice out
there that excels over QTH.com. If cost is a factor, I would gladly
contribute to alleviate any concerns that might create.

I realize that changing hosts can be a significant decision, but I think it
is justified. You have created a premier reflector, and I think it deserves
a premier host! I don't know if there are issues with Yahoo that make it a
bad choice, but I can't believe there isn't a better host that QTH with more
user friendly features.

My apologies if this is an issue that has been discussed and abandoned
before--if it is, I don't recall. My apologies if this is invasive of your
reflector management. I'm simply trying to express my feelings as an
appreciative user.

So, shoot me!

Dave W7AQK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

> Elecraft Mail LIST GUIDELINES 2010
>
> For those of you who are new to the list, (and for those of us who have
> rapidly failing memories..), here is a quick list of things to remember
> when
> posting to this list. Please save this for future reference.
>
> The most important thing to remember is that this is only a hobby - Let's
> have fun! The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a forum for
> discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to Elecraft,
> share
> troubleshooting ideas etc.
>
> 1. YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED to the [Elecraft] list TO POST to it. (This is
> done to stop advertising spammers from hitting the list.) Any postings
> sent
> to [hidden email] by addresses different from the exact ones it
> shows as subscribers will be rejected.
>
> This includes alias (forwarded) addresses like [hidden email]. If you use
> an
> alias to subscribe you must have it as your from: and return address too.
> Subscribing with [hidden email] from your physical address of
> [hidden email] will allow you to receive postings, but your postings to
> the list will be rejected if their from: and reply to: address does not
> match your subscribe address..
>
> Go to http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft to subscribe and to
> change your list preferences. To unsubscribe or to change your list
> preferences (digest, no mail on/off etc.), scroll to the bottom of the
> page
> and log in with your subscribed email address and the password that was
> sent
> to you by email when you subscribed (and monthly afterwards.)
>
>
> 2. If you want to provide an attachment, .JPG picture or other large
> file for use on the list, first post it to your personal web
> page and then post a link to its address in an email to the list. The list
> strips all attachments to prevent viruses from propagating and to keep
> the archives at a reasonable size.
>
>
> 3. Please keep the amount of copied text from previous posts to an
> -ABSOLUTE MINIMUM- in your replies.
>
> Always delete -everything- from the prior
> post except what is necessary to keep your reply in context. Most copied
> messages can be reduced to one or two sentences to retain context.
> Remember to
> delete the email list footer from the previous post and especially avoid
> copying a long posting and adding 'Me Too!' or something similar. As the
> number of users on this list grows (over 1500 now) we need to work to
> minimize
> information overload... If a reply is -not- of interest to the list, just
> reply directly to the posting party.
>
>
> 4. EMAIL OVERLOAD:
> If you are overloaded by the volume of individual messages on the list,
> You can view the daily Elecraft list messages for each month in web
> format at: http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html . These archives are updated
> hourly and list postings by subject. (the nabble archive looks very
> useful.)
> Just click on the ones you are interested in to read.
>
> You can also set your Elecraft list email preferences to 'no mail'
> delivery,
> which still allows you to post to the list when reading via the digest.
>
> You can also change your subscription to the DIGEST version, which sends
> you a
> single compilation each day.
>
> To change your email list options or to subscribe / unsubscribe, go to:
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Scroll to the bottom of the page to log into your preferences page and set
> your mail options to 'no mail'.
>
> 4a. Please make an effort to keep list volume under control by resisting
> the
> urge to post a comment on every long discussion thread (CW, Soldering
> etc.) With
> close to 6,500 list subscribers volume can quickly get out of control if
> everyone feels the need to comment. While we do not overly restrict the
> subject
> matter on this list, please remember that its primary focus is on Elecraft
> products, and their use. Many people rely on it for pointers on building
> and
> troubleshooting their kits. Other ham Radio topics are OK, but please keep
> the
> posts on non-Elecraft topics under control.
>
> 4b. *** [NEW] When emailing about a specific rig or option, please add the
> rig/option name(s) to the first part of your email subject line. (K1, K2,
> K3,
> KX1 etc.) This will be a huge help for those experiencing email overload
> and
> will allow automatic filtering based on subject line.
>
> Examples: "Subject: [K3] Filter Options"
> "Subject: [KX1] How to use ped portable?"
> "Subject: [XG2] Wow! Its a big help.
>
> 5. *** IMPORTANT - PLEASE KEEP ALL POSTINGS CORDIAL.
>
> Restrain the urge to email someone admonishing them about a posting.
> The last thing we want to do is to scare anyone off the list. Overly
> aggressive
> postings and negative comments about other posters only serve to scare
> away new
> potential list members.
>
> Waiting over night before hitting 'send' really helps to put things in
> perspective.. ;-)
>
> If you have a complaint about someone or a thread please email it directly
> to me ( eric(at)elecraft.com ) and I'll address it.
>
> 5a. Please do not post publicly or privately asking people to stop a
> particular
> thread, no matter how long, off topic or repetitive it gets. Email me
> instead. I
> will step in when I feel it is necessary to end a thread.
> (eric(at)elecraft.com)
>
> 5a1. Please exercise restraint in posting when a thread is getting heavily
> covered. 30 posts on one topic in a day (like the recurring CW thread) is
> usually excessive. Please do not vote yay/nay or with 'me too' postings.
>
> 5b. Please do not post any direct attacks or snide comments directed at a
> list member. Enthusiastic arguments are encouraged, but please keep
> everything cordial. Members who verbally attack another (either via the
> list
> or via direct email) may be removed from the list.
>
> As the 'official' list moderator, I'll jump in as necessary to keep
> everything
> orderly. I do this off line and occasionally to the list when it is
> appropriate. Our goal is to keep the Elecraft list a fun, informative
> central clearing house for Elecraft information and enthusiasm.
>
> 6. Please POST your technical questions and comments to the list.
> Elecraft owners are your best source for quick answers (and they NEVER
> sleep!) If you don't get the answers you need from the list please email
> us
> direct at support(at)elecraft.com , which is our customer service address.
> We
> do try to watch the list traffic, but we may not respond to everything
> immediately and may miss some postings sent to the list or our personal
> addresses.
>
> 7. Please post your experiences with your Elecraft kit, DX worked, crazy
> ideas, product ideas, complaints (yes - we do want to hear them, but
> please keep
> it polite :-) .
>
> 7. Commercial postings are allowed if they relate to Elecraft products,
> QRP,
> QRO, home-brewing, building etc. and are of interest to this list's
> membership. Please keep them as short as possible and provide web links to
> more detailed information. I'll step in if we feel someone is posting too
> many messages of this type.
>
> 7a. Please limit commercial postings to one per month per offering or
> product area (i.e. Builder for Hire postings, ham radio related products
> etc.)
>
> 8. Personal attacks, flames, or strongly worded derogatory messages will
> not
> be tolerated. Please do not criticize postings by others.
>
> 9. Send parts requests direct to [hidden email], not to the list.
>
> 10. If you don't get an answer to a question from the list, or by checking
> the list archives, don't forget to check the Builder's Resource Page at
> http://www.elecraft.com and our support email address:
> [hidden email]
>
> 11. And above all, HAVE FUN!. We hope that this list is both a good
> technical resource and serves as a Elecraft community gathering place. We
> enjoy reading it every day and it really helps us keep our energy level
> high
> so we can continue getting exciting new kit projects out the door to you!
>
> 73, Eric WA6HHQ
> Elecraft List Moderator
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>
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AD4C2009

Re: Short Wave Receiver

In reply to this post by Paul - WW2PT

I own an Icom IC-R75 loaded with filters for both IF and I do love it either for AM broadcast signals or SSB but certainly IF Elecraft could develop let say the "K3R" I will be the first to purchase one,it would be like having again another K3 without the TX inside,it could be even smaller,half the K3 size,with same slots for roofers,same DSP,same audio PA.
I am sure would be a total sucess.

AD4C

"For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, WW2PT <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: WW2PT <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Short Wave Receiver
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:34 PM

As an SWL since childhood, this is a subject near and dear to my
heart... :-)

After JRC and Drake abandoned the consumer HF receiver market there
has been a dearth of great tabletop receivers for the SWL. There are
commercial receivers but they cost multi-kilobucks, leaving little in
the middle between pro receivers and portables -- Icom R75 being the
only amateur manufacturer to offer any HF receivers, and I never cared
for their past offerings like the R71A and R72. I know many non-ham
SWLs who are using transceivers in order to get the advanced features
needed for serious SWLing (good filtering, noise reduction, notch,
passband shift, etc) without having to spend upwards of $4000 for a
pro box.

I don't know that removing the transmitter section from the K3 and
repackaging it as a receiver would knock enough off the price of a
basic K3 with KBPF3 and a 6 kHz filter (approx. $1700) to make it a
worthwhile venture for Elecraft. The $1700 price is actually quite
attractive, considering that's about what a JRC NRD-535D sold for
nearly 20 years ago. I've recommended the K3 to several SWLs recently;
whether any of them bought one is uncertain, but the price tag
certainly didn't scare anyone away.

73,
Paul WW2PT

On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:

> Hi Eric and Elecrafters,
>    I have just installed my second RX with the KBPF3.   I am just now
> listening to the shortwave broadcast bands and using the 13 KHz NBFM
> filter
> and 6 kHz AM filter am surprised at how good the radio does with a
> pair of
> micro KLH HiFi Speakers for SWLing.   This is not my normal hobby
> but I
> wonder if as others have suggested if Elecrafter may have a ready made
> product for a market which may be larger than the ham market.   A
> top end
> SWL receiver might not be too difficult for Elecraft to eventually
> add to
> their product line.

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Re: Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

In reply to this post by w7aqk

FWIW, I find Yahoo Groups difficult to "slog" through,
not user-friendly and seldom use it. I'd not want to
miss out on all the info that appears here, but I wouldn't
deal with Yahoo to read it.

I -would- have more time in my day, but I'd be less aware.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

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Dave,

Please *not* Yahoo groups!
While it is popular, it has many drawbacks for me. I find it just as
difficult (and even more) to find a particular post on the web version
as it is in the digest form of this or any other reflector. At least
some of the formats of this reflector offer threaded posts which are
helpful in some instances and the search function on the archives is
handy at times too. I have not found equivalents in the Yahoo groups.
For the Yahoo groups that I subscribe to, I request individual emails,
and I handle them in the same way as I do for the Elecraft reflector
posts - let my email client put them into the Elecraft folder, and I can
use the delete button from there.

73,
Don W3FPR

David Y. wrote:

> Eric and all,
>
> I'm probably going to be "hooted" for this post, but I think it is
> pertinent.
>
> First, let me say that I love this reflector. It is a bastion of excellent
> info, even when it doesn't absolutely, directly, involve an Elecraft
> product. I thank you for allowing it to be "flexible". I also think you
> exercise reasonable restraint on topics that tend to wander.
>
> I have one really big problem with this reflector--that is the fact that it
> is so popular! That's a "plus", and it's a "minus", depending on the time
> of day, the number of sunspots, and so on!
>
> So, what's my problem? It's the volume of info that comes across this
> reflector. I don't mind the volume so much as I do the way the host ISP
> handles it. I have chosen to receive each message as posted because the
> alternative, receiving the digest, is very awkward! I would much prefer to
> receive the digest, and then just scroll down until I see something that
> doesn't seem to be of interest. However, If I use the digest mode, and if
> something is seemingly of interest, I have to scroll down (endlessly)
> through all the posts to get to that particulart post. So, I subscribe to
> the alternative that sends me every post, and I wear out my delete key!
>
> The Yahoo groups have a much better system. If you opt for the digest mode,
> you can simply scroll through a summary of the posts, and click on the post
> you want to view, then go directly to that post. That is a huge advantage
> on those reflectors, particular if they are anywhere as popular as this one.
>
>

M0XDF

Re: Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

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Whether you like Yahoo or not - there is an Elecraft_K3 yahoo group already and Eric and Wayne do read and respond on it - and news of firmware updates etc are posted there - http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/Elecraft_K3/

However, I am not advocating the use of that group over this reflector, I, like others, prefer a straight forward list and for those that wish to read via a web site, there are a couple of archive sites for this reflector, Nabble being popular I believe (although I don't use it).
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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On 18 Feb 2010, at 02:14, David Y. wrote:

> The Yahoo groups have a much better system

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Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Re: Short Wave Receiver

In reply to this post by Bob & Debbie Fish

Hi Bob,

Not a direct answer to your question about favourite programs, but you would
find the frequency and time information for English language broadcasts in
the World Radio TV Handbook It is not expensive and will provide you with,
and I quote, "Comprehensive country-by-country listings of Long, Medium and
Shortwave Broadcasters by frequency, time and language". The copy that I
have includes a separate listing of international (i.e. SW) English language
broadcasts, with times, frequency and station, which saves time digging
through the main listing for English language broadcasts.

Lists of TV stations by country are also included, which can be very useful
to anyone interested in 6m or 2m DX.

I have no financial interest in this publication.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

On Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Robert Fish K6GGO wrote:

<snip>

> SWL'ing, what are your favorite programs. What Freq are they on and
> when? I did stumble across a Morning show from an African Station one
> evening late here in Ca.

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Re: Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

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"...So, what's my problem? It's the volume of info that comes across this
reflector. I don't mind the volume so much as I do the way the host ISP
handles it. I have chosen to receive each message as posted because the
alternative, receiving the digest, is very awkward! ..."

I use the web-only access option. This way I just look at the list on the
web when convenient, and then pick and choose the messages I want to read.

Phil - AD5X

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Re: Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

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At 2/17/2010 09:14 PM, David Y. wrote:

>So, what's my problem? It's the volume of info that comes across this
>reflector. I don't mind the volume so much as I do the way the host ISP
>handles it. I have chosen to receive each message as posted because the
>alternative, receiving the digest, is very awkward! I would much prefer to
>receive the digest, and then just scroll down until I see something that
>doesn't seem to be of interest. However, If I use the digest mode, and if
>something is seemingly of interest, I have to scroll down (endlessly)
>through all the posts to get to that particulart post. So, I subscribe to
>the alternative that sends me every post, and I wear out my delete key!

If you chose to receive your mail in digest form, then it is your
email client that doesn't allow you to display the messages the way
you want. There are probably many clients that do what you
want. Here's a free one I found by searching:
http://wareseeker.com/Communications/java-e-mail-newsgroup-digest-reader-1.01.zip/3503113

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Re: Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010

Ed K1EP schrieb am 18 Feb 2010 um 8:56:

> If you chose to receive your mail in digest form, then it is your
> email client that doesn't allow you to display the messages the way
> you want. There are probably many clients that do what you
> want. Here's a free one I found by searching:
> http://wareseeker.com/Communications/java-e-mail-newsgroup-digest-reader-1.
> 01.zip/3503113

I use Pegasus Mail (free at www.pmail.com) It handles mime digests in a
way that looks like individual mails in the inbox. It does not like the
non-standard yahoo mails though there is a plugin that converts yahoo
digests into the standard mime digests.

But the best Email client cannot compensate the lazy guys which do full
quotes of each email. I use to call these people "Vollquottel".
Translation available on request ;-)

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