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k5oai

Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

I have mixed feelings about the recent trend to 'demand' Elecraft
release their utility pgms for linux in 64 bit versions, in addition to
the 32 bit versions they already release.

Here are a couple of thoughts....

In most of my readings on different radio related forums as well as
email groups, IMO the trend for computers used by the majority of hams
in their shacks are the of the older 32 bit models. I say that based in
part on the hue and cry about having to retire their XP machines and how
stressed they are that they will have actually go out and to buy a newer
(64bit) computer to use beside their $3k to $5k rigs. <g>

Instead of adding to the Elecraft software guys load by asking them to
build tailor made releases, when IMO their time might be better spent
working on the coding for the many firmware upgrades we have requested
for each of their growing list of products.....

Maybe some of the more knowledgeable *nix gurus on the list, could
contribute a Distro specific howto write up for installation on their
favorite operating systems (distros). Send it in and let Elecraft post
the info on the pages in a paragraph right below the Linux utility links.

===
Something like K1JT has done for WSJT-X at the bottom of this page:
http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx.html

<quote>
Linux: Thanks to AC6SL and KA6MAL, packages for v1.1.1 r3520 on Ubuntu
12.04, 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 are available at
https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx

Ubuntu Linux installation instructions:

1. If you have not obtained packages from this PPA (Personal Package
Archive) before:

$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jnogatch/wsjtx

2. To obtain the latest version from this PPA:

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get install wsjtx

3. You should also download kvasd and put it in the same directory as
executable binaries wsjtx and jt9. Normally (after running the script
/usr/bin/wsjtx once) this directory will be $HOME/.wsjtx
</quote>
===

===
Or how about creating a PPA (Personal Package Archive) (complete with a
how2 use it) and sharing their work with the folks at Elecraft so they
can add those links. Like John Nogatch did here:
https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx

===

===
Another good example of what I would like to see, would be the multi
distro help links found for Fldigi contributed by other found at the
bottom of this page: http://www.w1hkj.com/download.html

where you will find links to:
<quote>
Puppy / NBEMS How-To-Install

RPMS for Open SuSE: Maintained by DL8FCL

COPR for Fedora Maintained by Richard Shaw

Open SuSE Spec files:Spec File Site

Centos Spec files: Index of Centos NBEMS redhat SPECS

Debs for Ubuntu:
https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/fldigi
How To Install from Kamal's PPA

Past versions of software
Berlios archives

Wiki for fldigi etc.
</quote>
===

<rant on>
When I started using linux in 1994 or so, folks didn't go around
demanding others do stuff for them, instead they *ask* what they could
do to learn how to do it for themselves. In response the more
knowledgeable folks ask what they could do to help create how2's so
others could learn to do it for themselves. Seems the current batch of
linux users have shifted from the point of helping themselves and
others, to where they now *demand* _others_ 'do it for us' because they
'owe it to us'.
</rant off>

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NK7Z

Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

Hi Sam,

My guess is that they just compile it for 64 bit, then turn around and
compile the same software for 32 bit... I have never compiled for 64
bit, so I could be off base here.

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On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 12:08 -0500, Sam Morgan wrote:

> I have mixed feelings about the recent trend to 'demand' Elecraft
> release their utility pgms for linux in 64 bit versions, in addition to
> the 32 bit versions they already release.
>
> Here are a couple of thoughts....
>
> In most of my readings on different radio related forums as well as
> email groups, IMO the trend for computers used by the majority of hams
> in their shacks are the of the older 32 bit models. I say that based in
> part on the hue and cry about having to retire their XP machines and how
> stressed they are that they will have actually go out and to buy a newer
> (64bit) computer to use beside their $3k to $5k rigs. <g>
>
> Instead of adding to the Elecraft software guys load by asking them to
> build tailor made releases, when IMO their time might be better spent
> working on the coding for the many firmware upgrades we have requested
> for each of their growing list of products.....
>
> Maybe some of the more knowledgeable *nix gurus on the list, could
> contribute a Distro specific howto write up for installation on their
> favorite operating systems (distros). Send it in and let Elecraft post
> the info on the pages in a paragraph right below the Linux utility links.
>
> ===
> Something like K1JT has done for WSJT-X at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx.html
>
> <quote>
> Linux: Thanks to AC6SL and KA6MAL, packages for v1.1.1 r3520 on Ubuntu
> 12.04, 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 are available at
> https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx
>
> Ubuntu Linux installation instructions:
>
> 1. If you have not obtained packages from this PPA (Personal Package
> Archive) before:
>
> $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jnogatch/wsjtx
>
>
> 2. To obtain the latest version from this PPA:
>
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ sudo apt-get install wsjtx
>
> 3. You should also download kvasd and put it in the same directory as
> executable binaries wsjtx and jt9. Normally (after running the script
> /usr/bin/wsjtx once) this directory will be $HOME/.wsjtx
> </quote>
> ===
>
> ===
> Or how about creating a PPA (Personal Package Archive) (complete with a
> how2 use it) and sharing their work with the folks at Elecraft so they
> can add those links. Like John Nogatch did here:
> https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx
>
> ===
>
> ===
> Another good example of what I would like to see, would be the multi
> distro help links found for Fldigi contributed by other found at the
> bottom of this page: http://www.w1hkj.com/download.html
>
> where you will find links to:
> <quote>
> Puppy / NBEMS How-To-Install
>
> RPMS for Open SuSE: Maintained by DL8FCL
>
> COPR for Fedora Maintained by Richard Shaw
>
> Open SuSE Spec files:Spec File Site
>
> Centos Spec files: Index of Centos NBEMS redhat SPECS
>
> Debs for Ubuntu:
> https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/fldigi
> How To Install from Kamal's PPA
>
> Past versions of software
> Berlios archives
>
> Wiki for fldigi etc.
> </quote>
> ===
>
>
> <rant on>
> When I started using linux in 1994 or so, folks didn't go around
> demanding others do stuff for them, instead they *ask* what they could
> do to learn how to do it for themselves. In response the more
> knowledgeable folks ask what they could do to help create how2's so
> others could learn to do it for themselves. Seems the current batch of
> linux users have shifted from the point of helping themselves and
> others, to where they now *demand* _others_ 'do it for us' because they
> 'owe it to us'.
> </rant off>
>
>

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g0hww

Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

In reply to this post by k5oai

Hi,

I don't have any 32-bit machines, but 3 64-bit Linux machines. Only one of them
seems to be running an old enough distro to have decent support for the legacy
32 bit libraries needed to run the KX3 utility. When I dist-upgrade that
machine (which I will do soon) I may lose the ability to run the KX3 utility
altogether. I'm hoping that Elecraft will start providing 64-bit Linux binaries
very soon. I would be happy to assist such efforts in any way I can.

I am sure that there are some reasons why Elecraft can not release the software
under an open source licence, so that we can compile it ourselves. I have not
yet spent enough time wondering about what those reasons might be to think of a
good one, though :P

Cheers,

Darren, G0HWW

On 27/05/14 18:08, Sam Morgan wrote:

> I have mixed feelings about the recent trend to 'demand' Elecraft release their
> utility pgms for linux in 64 bit versions, in addition to the 32 bit versions
> they already release.
>
> Here are a couple of thoughts....
>
> In most of my readings on different radio related forums as well as email
> groups, IMO the trend for computers used by the majority of hams in their shacks
> are the of the older 32 bit models. I say that based in part on the hue and cry
> about having to retire their XP machines and how stressed they are that they
> will have actually go out and to buy a newer (64bit) computer to use beside
> their $3k to $5k rigs. <g>
>
> Instead of adding to the Elecraft software guys load by asking them to build
> tailor made releases, when IMO their time might be better spent working on the
> coding for the many firmware upgrades we have requested for each of their
> growing list of products.....
>
> Maybe some of the more knowledgeable *nix gurus on the list, could contribute a
> Distro specific howto write up for installation on their favorite operating
> systems (distros). Send it in and let Elecraft post the info on the pages in a
> paragraph right below the Linux utility links.
>
> ===
> Something like K1JT has done for WSJT-X at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx.html
>
> <quote>
> Linux: Thanks to AC6SL and KA6MAL, packages for v1.1.1 r3520 on Ubuntu 12.04,
> 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 are available at https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx
>
> Ubuntu Linux installation instructions:
>
> 1. If you have not obtained packages from this PPA (Personal Package Archive)
> before:
>
> $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jnogatch/wsjtx
>
>
> 2. To obtain the latest version from this PPA:
>
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ sudo apt-get install wsjtx
>
> 3. You should also download kvasd and put it in the same directory as executable
> binaries wsjtx and jt9. Normally (after running the script /usr/bin/wsjtx once)
> this directory will be $HOME/.wsjtx
> </quote>
> ===
>
> ===
> Or how about creating a PPA (Personal Package Archive) (complete with a how2 use
> it) and sharing their work with the folks at Elecraft so they can add those
> links. Like John Nogatch did here:
> https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx
>
> ===
>
> ===
> Another good example of what I would like to see, would be the multi distro help
> links found for Fldigi contributed by other found at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.w1hkj.com/download.html
>
> where you will find links to:
> <quote>
> Puppy / NBEMS How-To-Install
>
> RPMS for Open SuSE: Maintained by DL8FCL
>
> COPR for Fedora Maintained by Richard Shaw
>
> Open SuSE Spec files:Spec File Site
>
> Centos Spec files: Index of Centos NBEMS redhat SPECS
>
> Debs for Ubuntu:
> https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/fldigi
> How To Install from Kamal's PPA
>
> Past versions of software
> Berlios archives
>
> Wiki for fldigi etc.
> </quote>
> ===
>
>
> <rant on>
> When I started using linux in 1994 or so, folks didn't go around demanding
> others do stuff for them, instead they *ask* what they could do to learn how to
> do it for themselves. In response the more knowledgeable folks ask what they
> could do to help create how2's so others could learn to do it for themselves.
> Seems the current batch of linux users have shifted from the point of helping
> themselves and others, to where they now *demand* _others_ 'do it for us'
> because they 'owe it to us'.
> </rant off>
>
>

David Patino

Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

In reply to this post by k5oai

I have ubuntu 14.04, 64bit, and the elecract kx3 utility working...

Here's how I installed ia32-lib:
|sudo -i
cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d
echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main restricted
universe multiverse" >ia32-libs-raring.list
apt-get update
apt-get install ia32-libs|
rm |ia32-libs-raring.list
apt-get update

Got this from:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23182765/how-to-install-ia32-libs-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts

|
On 5/27/2014 12:08 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

> I have mixed feelings about the recent trend to 'demand' Elecraft
> release their utility pgms for linux in 64 bit versions, in addition
> to the 32 bit versions they already release.
>
> Here are a couple of thoughts....
>
> In most of my readings on different radio related forums as well as
> email groups, IMO the trend for computers used by the majority of hams
> in their shacks are the of the older 32 bit models. I say that based
> in part on the hue and cry about having to retire their XP machines
> and how stressed they are that they will have actually go out and to
> buy a newer (64bit) computer to use beside their $3k to $5k rigs. <g>
>
> Instead of adding to the Elecraft software guys load by asking them to
> build tailor made releases, when IMO their time might be better spent
> working on the coding for the many firmware upgrades we have requested
> for each of their growing list of products.....
>
> Maybe some of the more knowledgeable *nix gurus on the list, could
> contribute a Distro specific howto write up for installation on their
> favorite operating systems (distros). Send it in and let Elecraft post
> the info on the pages in a paragraph right below the Linux utility links.
>
> ===
> Something like K1JT has done for WSJT-X at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx.html
>
> <quote>
> Linux: Thanks to AC6SL and KA6MAL, packages for v1.1.1 r3520 on Ubuntu
> 12.04, 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 are available at
> https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx
>
> Ubuntu Linux installation instructions:
>
> 1. If you have not obtained packages from this PPA (Personal Package
> Archive) before:
>
> $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jnogatch/wsjtx
>
>
> 2. To obtain the latest version from this PPA:
>
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ sudo apt-get install wsjtx
>
> 3. You should also download kvasd and put it in the same directory as
> executable binaries wsjtx and jt9. Normally (after running the script
> /usr/bin/wsjtx once) this directory will be $HOME/.wsjtx
> </quote>
> ===
>
> ===
> Or how about creating a PPA (Personal Package Archive) (complete with
> a how2 use it) and sharing their work with the folks at Elecraft so
> they can add those links. Like John Nogatch did here:
> https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx
>
> ===
>
> ===
> Another good example of what I would like to see, would be the multi
> distro help links found for Fldigi contributed by other found at the
> bottom of this page: http://www.w1hkj.com/download.html
>
> where you will find links to:
> <quote>
> Puppy / NBEMS How-To-Install
>
> RPMS for Open SuSE: Maintained by DL8FCL
>
> COPR for Fedora Maintained by Richard Shaw
>
> Open SuSE Spec files:Spec File Site
>
> Centos Spec files: Index of Centos NBEMS redhat SPECS
>
> Debs for Ubuntu:
> https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/fldigi
> How To Install from Kamal's PPA
>
> Past versions of software
> Berlios archives
>
> Wiki for fldigi etc.
> </quote>
> ===
>
>
> <rant on>
> When I started using linux in 1994 or so, folks didn't go around
> demanding others do stuff for them, instead they *ask* what they could
> do to learn how to do it for themselves. In response the more
> knowledgeable folks ask what they could do to help create how2's so
> others could learn to do it for themselves. Seems the current batch of
> linux users have shifted from the point of helping themselves and
> others, to where they now *demand* _others_ 'do it for us' because
> they 'owe it to us'.
> </rant off>
>
>

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Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

I wouldn't place XP users in the same category as linux users by any
means. People hang on to there old XP boxes because its what they've
always used and they are not inclined to dable in different OS's. Linux
users, on the other hand, are more likely to try new things. They had
to go download linux and install it themselves. 32 bit has no future.
Not even in Windows. So sooner or later the right path is going to be
64 bit versions. I'm willing to bet that even right now, most linux
users are on 64 bit versions. I probably have 15 working computers. I
think only one is running 32 bit. Only because it's an older, small
footprint, low power processor with only 2 gigs of memory.

At least from my perspective, running linux, os-x and 4 flavors of
Windows, it really seems like time to migrate to 64 bit.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/27/2014 1:55 PM, David Patino wrote:

> I have ubuntu 14.04, 64bit, and the elecract kx3 utility working...
>
> Here's how I installed ia32-lib:
> |sudo -i
> cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d
> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main restricted
> universe multiverse" >ia32-libs-raring.list
> apt-get update
> apt-get install ia32-libs|
> rm |ia32-libs-raring.list
> apt-get update
>
> Got this from:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23182765/how-to-install-ia32-libs-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts
>
>
>
> |
> On 5/27/2014 12:08 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:
>> I have mixed feelings about the recent trend to 'demand' Elecraft
>> release their utility pgms for linux in 64 bit versions, in addition
>> to the 32 bit versions they already release.
>>
>> Here are a couple of thoughts....
>>
>> In most of my readings on different radio related forums as well as
>> email groups, IMO the trend for computers used by the majority of
>> hams in their shacks are the of the older 32 bit models. I say that
>> based in part on the hue and cry about having to retire their XP
>> machines and how stressed they are that they will have actually go
>> out and to buy a newer (64bit) computer to use beside their $3k to
>> $5k rigs. <g>
>>
>> Instead of adding to the Elecraft software guys load by asking them
>> to build tailor made releases, when IMO their time might be better
>> spent working on the coding for the many firmware upgrades we have
>> requested for each of their growing list of products.....
>>
>> Maybe some of the more knowledgeable *nix gurus on the list, could
>> contribute a Distro specific howto write up for installation on their
>> favorite operating systems (distros). Send it in and let Elecraft
>> post the info on the pages in a paragraph right below the Linux
>> utility links.
>>
>> ===
>> Something like K1JT has done for WSJT-X at the bottom of this page:
>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx.html
>>
>> <quote>
>> Linux: Thanks to AC6SL and KA6MAL, packages for v1.1.1 r3520 on
>> Ubuntu 12.04, 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 are available at
>> https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx
>>
>> Ubuntu Linux installation instructions:
>>
>> 1. If you have not obtained packages from this PPA (Personal Package
>> Archive) before:
>>
>> $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jnogatch/wsjtx
>>
>>
>> 2. To obtain the latest version from this PPA:
>>
>> $ sudo apt-get update
>> $ sudo apt-get install wsjtx
>>
>> 3. You should also download kvasd and put it in the same directory as
>> executable binaries wsjtx and jt9. Normally (after running the
>> script /usr/bin/wsjtx once) this directory will be $HOME/.wsjtx
>> </quote>
>> ===
>>
>> ===
>> Or how about creating a PPA (Personal Package Archive) (complete with
>> a how2 use it) and sharing their work with the folks at Elecraft so
>> they can add those links. Like John Nogatch did here:
>> https://launchpad.net/~jnogatch/+archive/wsjtx
>>
>> ===
>>
>> ===
>> Another good example of what I would like to see, would be the multi
>> distro help links found for Fldigi contributed by other found at the
>> bottom of this page: http://www.w1hkj.com/download.html
>>
>> where you will find links to:
>> <quote>
>> Puppy / NBEMS How-To-Install
>>
>> RPMS for Open SuSE: Maintained by DL8FCL
>>
>> COPR for Fedora Maintained by Richard Shaw
>>
>> Open SuSE Spec files:Spec File Site
>>
>> Centos Spec files: Index of Centos NBEMS redhat SPECS
>>
>> Debs for Ubuntu:
>> https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/fldigi
>> How To Install from Kamal's PPA
>>
>> Past versions of software
>> Berlios archives
>>
>> Wiki for fldigi etc.
>> </quote>
>> ===
>>
>>
>> <rant on>
>> When I started using linux in 1994 or so, folks didn't go around
>> demanding others do stuff for them, instead they *ask* what they
>> could do to learn how to do it for themselves. In response the more
>> knowledgeable folks ask what they could do to help create how2's so
>> others could learn to do it for themselves. Seems the current batch
>> of linux users have shifted from the point of helping themselves and
>> others, to where they now *demand* _others_ 'do it for us' because
>> they 'owe it to us'.
>> </rant off>
>>
>>
>
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Nate Bargmann

Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

In reply to this post by NK7Z

* On 2014 27 May 13:44 -0500, David Cole wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> My guess is that they just compile it for 64 bit, then turn around and
> compile the same software for 32 bit... I have never compiled for 64
> bit, so I could be off base here.

I compile both Hamlib and Xdx on Debian amd64 (also Intel 64 such as
Core Duo which I have on my laptop) and i386 distributions. As both use
GNU Autotools to build (the other popular build system being cmake) the
repsective packages, nothing special needs to be done when using GNU
tools as the tools take care of these issues for the developer.

As the Elecraft tools appear to use Wxwidgets and a few other common
toolkits available on the average Linux distribution, I suspect a simple
rebuild--perhaps even a cross build--is all that would be required.

I don't have the Elecraft utilities installed on my laptop running
Debian amd64 as I don't want to have to wade through double the package
listings in Aptitude! Also, the box running Debian i386 is always
hooked to the K3/P3 anyway.

73, Nate, N0NB >>

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Bill-3

Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

I really have to chuckle regarding all the various "simple" steps the
Linux users go through to get their computers to speak to the K3. I have
one machine set up for Linux - although I am not really sure why.
Everything I do using a computer is so much easier on Windows -
including control of all the parts of my K-Line. Download, install, and
use - it doesn't get much simpler than that.

It took me over an hour to get a simple WiFi printer operating on Linux
Mint 17 this afternoon (driver issues). Took me less than five minutes
on the Win 8.1 machine. I use a network for my printers and all the
computers share the same printers - Windows and Linux.

Having said all that, I cannot imagine spending a bunch of time getting
Linux up and running with the K-Line software much less having faith in
its ability to correctly operate/update the K-Line.

I am not trolling, I really would like an honest answer as to why Linux
is chosen over Windows for similar operations. I play with Linux and
work with Windows. I have been dealing with computers and software
design since the late 1970s - so I am not living in a cave.

If you reply to my question - and all you are going to do is take me to
the woodshed, then kindly don't bother.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

I can relate, Bill. I prefer Macs with OS X, but
both have SSDs and both are dual boot with Windows
7 -- because there are things I can do that way
but not in OS X. I also have two Windows machines
-- a Win7 desktop I use for ripping CDs/DVDs and
burning same (the fast optical drives are great as
is the software), and a Win 8.1 laptop dedicated
to the ham shack (and which I managed to look like
a Win 7 computer because Win 8/8.1 is a beast, IMO).

My two Linux machines are experimental, a
Raspberry Pi (x2) and a Beaglebone Black. Fun, but
not for my daily use.

Elecraft is somewhat unique (I think) in provided
support in their utilities for Linux: Good for them!

I recently decided to make my Win 8.1 laptop dual
boot (Win 8.1 plus Ubuntu). I ended up with an
Ubuntu only computer; getting Win 8.1 back was a
bit of a struggle so I'll not go there again.

Phil W7OX

On 5/27/14, 5:03 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote:

> I really have to chuckle regarding all the
> various "simple" steps the Linux users go
> through to get their computers to speak to the
> K3. I have one machine set up for Linux -
> although I am not really sure why. Everything I
> do using a computer is so much easier on Windows
> - including control of all the parts of my
> K-Line. Download, install, and use - it doesn't
> get much simpler than that.
>
> It took me over an hour to get a simple WiFi
> printer operating on Linux Mint 17 this
> afternoon (driver issues). Took me less than
> five minutes on the Win 8.1 machine. I use a
> network for my printers and all the computers
> share the same printers - Windows and Linux.
>
> Having said all that, I cannot imagine spending
> a bunch of time getting Linux up and running
> with the K-Line software much less having faith
> in its ability to correctly operate/update the
> K-Line.
>
> I am not trolling, I really would like an honest
> answer as to why Linux is chosen over Windows
> for similar operations. I play with Linux and
> work with Windows. I have been dealing with
> computers and software design since the late
> 1970s - so I am not living in a cave.
>
> If you reply to my question - and all you are
> going to do is take me to the woodshed, then
> kindly don't bother.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line

Stephen M. Shearer

Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

In reply to this post by Bill-3

I have a 10 year old laptop that had Wxp. It now has Ubuntu Release
12.04 (precise) 32-bit...
I like it. As Wxp I used the computer portable. I still use machine
portable. I have KX3 utility and fldigi for software.
Not all the stuff I had with Wxp, it works... I have been using Ubunto
about 6-8 weeks. It's good.

I started with computers in the late 60's.
A 4K computer with a 32K disk was fast...
I used Unix on the Cray to compile and run Fortran...
I have used a Mac+ (in the attic) and entered machine code with switches
on DEC computers.
But, for Linux I have a son who is a senior at the UofDE in computer
science who can help as it is easier.

73, steve WB3LGC

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At sometime in the 50's, the President of IBM is alleged to have said,
"The worldwide market for computers is probably about twelve."
Apparently he didn't know Doug.

73,

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> I probably have 15 working computers.

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Steve,

If you use that laptop 'standalone', and do not have to share files with
other computers on a network, the Ubuntu or Linux Mint distros are quite
usable. Firefox is an excellent web browser, and Thunderbird is a fine
email application, add a calendering function with the Lightning plugin,
and for work on documents, Open Office or Libra Office will give you all
the capability that MS Office offers - BTW, those applications work
quite well in Windows too for those who do not want to spend money to
purchase MS Office - the GUI interface is almost the same, so any MS
Office user will feel comfortable with the Open Office interface. All
free of cost and Open Source applications. I recommend that for any
computer that is currently running WinXP. The problems come in if the
computer is part of a home network that must share files between the
various computers on the network.

The "rub" comes in when one wants to network computers, printers, and
all other network things. Getting the Samba config file to have the
necessary settings to talk with other Windows based computers and file
servers is what has caused me difficulty in the past. I finally managed
to create a Samba.config file that would allow me to view my Windows
network, but the permission settings of all my files would have to be
changed (they are shared to the entire Windows network) to allow
read/write access from the Linux computer(s). In my Windows network,
the files can be accessed and changed based on the Windows logon, but
special steps are needed to allow the same functionality for access
using Linux (i.e. I would have to change the file permissions for each
and every file). This is not a good thing when my home network is an
isolated unit where all files can be accessed by any computer on the
network. With Linux, I have to set the file permissions to grant access
on each and every file - it may be a security 'thing', but in my case it
is a PITA.

So, to keep it more "On Topic", those running WinXP on the hamshack
computers might want to load Linux Ubuntu or Linux Mint and use the
Linux Utility programs. There are many Amateur Radio applications that
can be used as well, certainly N1MM and such programs are only Windows
based, but similar functionality can be found in Linux based
applications. WinXP poses a security hazard if connected to the
internet, so its continued use should be discouraged for computer
security considerations. Moving to a currently supported OS is the only
reasonable answer.

Bottom line, if you want to keep your current Windows applications,
upgrade to Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, but if you are willing to accept
alternatives to the applications you are currently using under Windows,
you may find alternatives running under Linux - it is a good OS, but has
a learning curve if you want to do things 'out of the ordinary'.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/27/2014 9:16 PM, steve wrote:

> I have a 10 year old laptop that had Wxp. It now has Ubuntu Release
> 12.04 (precise) 32-bit...
> I like it. As Wxp I used the computer portable. I still use machine
> portable. I have KX3 utility and fldigi for software.
> Not all the stuff I had with Wxp, it works... I have been using
> Ubunto about 6-8 weeks. It's good.
>
> I started with computers in the late 60's.
> A 4K computer with a 32K disk was fast...
> I used Unix on the Cray to compile and run Fortran...
> I have used a Mac+ (in the attic) and entered machine code with
> switches on DEC computers.
> But, for Linux I have a son who is a senior at the UofDE in computer
> science who can help as it is easier.
>
> 73, steve WB3LGC
>
> On 05/27/2014 08:03 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote:
>> I really have to chuckle regarding . . .
>
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And those computers Tom Watson was speaking of took a large controlled
environment room just for the various pieces. It was certainly not a
desktop computer.
Desktop computers did not come into being until the advent of the IBM PC
in the 1980s. I bought my daughter a new IBM PC with 2 floppy drives
and 64k of ram for her to use in her college classes. It was later
upgraded with a 5 MB hard drive which replaced one of the floppy drives
(3.5 inch floppys).

We have come a long way since that time. That system cost $2500 at the
time, now I can buy a computer with a LOT more capability for less than
$300.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/27/2014 9:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

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Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

In reply to this post by k6dgw

He didn't know me but I knew him. Computers have been and to a large
extent still are my life. When I'm done building another receiver, I
build another computer and install another linux variation. I push them
to their limits. Windows, in many ways, is always easier for main
stream things. However, the other day, I pushed then "Scan" button on
my multi-function printer to scan a photo, and Windows 8.1 Enterprise
simply stopped responding to user actions. I couldn't even tell it to
reboot. I had hit the power switch and restart it. Windows, regardless
of the version, still has lots and lots of problems. It really is very
unstable.

It has gotten better, but has a LONG way to go to catch up to OS/X for
example - which exemplifies "Stable". Apple really does have a higher
focus on stability and ease of use than Microsoft. Windows 8 is the
biggest disaster Microsoft has ever managed to pull off. Makes Vista
look like a success story. Windows 9 is due out the end of next year.
Your guess is as good as mine what their plans are.

Linux is a work of art produced by thousands of programmers across
decades. It belongs to no one and everyone. When I use it, which is
often, I feel a sense of pride that we, the elders, the senior of the
most senior programmers, as a worldwide movement brought this incredible
thing to life. It continues to grow and mature. Its vastly better than
it was 10 years ago.

Nothing is perfect. Driver problems are just as bad on Windows. If you
got a printer to work on Windows - consider yourself lucky. There are
now about 5 categories of drivers for Windows. You guess if your
printer is supplied with the right driver for your version of Windows.

To me linux is easy compared to Windows. I can find everything. There
are no "hidden" databases of configuration information. And I'm not
constantly assaulted by programs installing other programs that
eventually clog up memory to the point where booting takes 10 minutes.

Its my opinion that linux is the OS that every ham should learn and
love. Its consistent and compatible with the spirit of ham radio. The
do-it-yourself, build-your-own mentality that makes the hobby what it
is. Linux is not hard and with a little patience it does everything
that's important. Consider that Android is linux and that OS/X, for all
its glory, is based on just another open source unix derivative. The
unix-based OS base is winning and Windows is losing. The web is largely
run on linux machines.

So I vote for 64 bit ready Elecraft software because it is rapidly
becoming the future of computing.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

PS: Make that 16. I just built another one this afternoon.

On 5/27/2014 7:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> At sometime in the 50's, the President of IBM is alleged to have said,
> "The worldwide market for computers is probably about twelve."
> Apparently he didn't know Doug.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 5/27/2014 1:29 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> I probably have 15 working computers.
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On Tue, 27 May 2014 22:14:23 -0400
Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> If you use that laptop 'standalone', and do not have to share files with
> other computers on a network, the Ubuntu or Linux Mint distros are quite
> usable. Firefox is an excellent web browser, and Thunderbird is a fine
> email application, add a calendering function with the Lightning plugin,
> and for work on documents, Open Office or Libra Office will give you all
> the capability that MS Office offers - BTW, those applications work
> quite well in Windows too for those who do not want to spend money to
> purchase MS Office - the GUI interface is almost the same, so any MS
> Office user will feel comfortable with the Open Office interface. All
> free of cost and Open Source applications. I recommend that for any
> computer that is currently running WinXP. The problems come in if the
> computer is part of a home network that must share files between the
> various computers on the network.
>
> The "rub" comes in when one wants to network computers, printers, and
> all other network things. Getting the Samba config file to have the
> necessary settings to talk with other Windows based computers and file
> servers is what has caused me difficulty in the past. I finally managed
> to create a Samba.config file that would allow me to view my Windows
> network, but the permission settings of all my files would have to be
> changed (they are shared to the entire Windows network) to allow
> read/write access from the Linux computer(s). In my Windows network,
> the files can be accessed and changed based on the Windows logon, but
> special steps are needed to allow the same functionality for access
> using Linux (i.e. I would have to change the file permissions for each
> and every file). This is not a good thing when my home network is an
> isolated unit where all files can be accessed by any computer on the
> network. With Linux, I have to set the file permissions to grant access
> on each and every file - it may be a security 'thing', but in my case it
> is a PITA.
>

It's a PITA because you don't know how to do it properly. I can easily change
the ownership/permissions of entire folders (including sub-folders) with only
one command. (chmod -R a+rw /folder-name changes full read/write to ALL files
in that folder).

> So, to keep it more "On Topic", those running WinXP on the hamshack
> computers might want to load Linux Ubuntu or Linux Mint and use the
> Linux Utility programs. There are many Amateur Radio applications that
> can be used as well, certainly N1MM and such programs are only Windows
> based, but similar functionality can be found in Linux based
> applications. WinXP poses a security hazard if connected to the
> internet, so its continued use should be discouraged for computer
> security considerations. Moving to a currently supported OS is the only
> reasonable answer.

agree

>
> Bottom line, if you want to keep your current Windows applications,
> upgrade to Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, but if you are willing to accept
> alternatives to the applications you are currently using under Windows,
> you may find alternatives running under Linux - it is a good OS, but has
> a learning curve if you want to do things 'out of the ordinary'.
>

That learning curve is partially dependent upon the version of Linux. I use
mostly openSUSE which I have modified (easily done) to work more like windows
in most respects.

> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>

<<<<< snip >>>>>

I have been using/programming computers starting with a single board 8008 cpu
with BASIC, assembler, C, COBOL, RPG, FORTRAN, along with machine code and have
built over 40 systems from scratch.

One reason that Linux is superior is that configuration files are kept as
individual files in a central location, unlike the windows "registry".
Therefore, if one device config gets corrupted it doesn't screw up other device
configs.

73 & thanks, Tom KG7CFC

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^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-.

^^^^
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KDE 4.11.2, AMD Phenom X4 955, GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Nvidia 325.15)
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Sorry, but I'm not the least bit interested in building the starting
system for my car or understanding the workings of my car in order to be
able to start and drive it. It is a tool not a project for me. Ditto
computers.

The tool shouldn't get in the way of its use.

Look at how many people are struggling with canned operating systems.
Imagine saddling hem with LUNIX. Not going to happen. I also suspect
the 2% of LUNIX users will shrink with time.

I applaud those of you who manage to do anything in LUNIX. I also
applaud those who can speak foreign languages.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 5/27/2014 11:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:

> He didn't know me but I knew him. Computers have been and to a large
> extent still are my life. When I'm done building another receiver, I
> build another computer and install another linux variation. I push
> them to their limits. Windows, in many ways, is always easier for
> main stream things. However, the other day, I pushed then "Scan"
> button on my multi-function printer to scan a photo, and Windows 8.1
> Enterprise simply stopped responding to user actions. I couldn't even
> tell it to reboot. I had hit the power switch and restart it.
> Windows, regardless of the version, still has lots and lots of
> problems. It really is very unstable.
>
> It has gotten better, but has a LONG way to go to catch up to OS/X for
> example - which exemplifies "Stable". Apple really does have a higher
> focus on stability and ease of use than Microsoft. Windows 8 is the
> biggest disaster Microsoft has ever managed to pull off. Makes Vista
> look like a success story. Windows 9 is due out the end of next
> year. Your guess is as good as mine what their plans are.
>
> Linux is a work of art produced by thousands of programmers across
> decades. It belongs to no one and everyone. When I use it, which is
> often, I feel a sense of pride that we, the elders, the senior of the
> most senior programmers, as a worldwide movement brought this
> incredible thing to life. It continues to grow and mature. Its vastly
> better than it was 10 years ago.
>
> Nothing is perfect. Driver problems are just as bad on Windows. If
> you got a printer to work on Windows - consider yourself lucky. There
> are now about 5 categories of drivers for Windows. You guess if your
> printer is supplied with the right driver for your version of Windows.
>
> To me linux is easy compared to Windows. I can find everything. There
> are no "hidden" databases of configuration information. And I'm not
> constantly assaulted by programs installing other programs that
> eventually clog up memory to the point where booting takes 10 minutes.
>
> Its my opinion that linux is the OS that every ham should learn and
> love. Its consistent and compatible with the spirit of ham radio. The
> do-it-yourself, build-your-own mentality that makes the hobby what it
> is. Linux is not hard and with a little patience it does everything
> that's important. Consider that Android is linux and that OS/X, for
> all its glory, is based on just another open source unix derivative.
> The unix-based OS base is winning and Windows is losing. The web is
> largely run on linux machines.
>
> So I vote for 64 bit ready Elecraft software because it is rapidly
> becoming the future of computing.
>
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
>
> PS: Make that 16. I just built another one this afternoon.
>
> On 5/27/2014 7:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> At sometime in the 50's, the President of IBM is alleged to have
>> said, "The worldwide market for computers is probably about twelve."
>> Apparently he didn't know Doug.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>> On 5/27/2014 1:29 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>>> I probably have 15 working computers.
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Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

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Since you followed up to my post, Bill, I will clarify that I was only
speaking from the developer's perspective on "simple" for compiling on
the common 64 bit AMD/Intel platform and i386 (i486, i586, i686)
platform. That said, the two pieces of software I develop do not rely
on the differences between the 32 and 64 bit architectures and therefore
are an "easy" recompile. Unless someone wishes to step up as a beta
tester for either project, I do not expect people to be compiling their
packages even though I put a lot of work into cleaning up Hamlib's build
system a couple of years ago and it about as easy as it could get. For
that the distributions provide their own package managers that will
install precompiled software and take care to assure that all
dependencies are correctly installed and managed. There is very little
"DLL hell" on a supported Linux distribution as shared library
dependencies are carefully managed, at least on Debian and its
derivatives (Ubuntu, Mepis, Siduction, etc.).

Things like USB-serial devices are a pain as they are not consistently
named across system restarts and some under-the-hood work is necessary
to overcome that and a persistent port name can be presented to user
software on Linux systems. I've had Windows do the same thing by naming
an adapter COM5 one time and COM8 the next and something else some other
time so that complaint is a wash. OTOH, the Linux kernel includes
drivers for both Prolific and FTDI devices which are very stable for
each chipset, so it's a matter of plugging the USB-serial adapter in,
figuring out the port name, and away you go. No searching for drivers
of questionable quality in the dark corners of the Web for some
knock-off adapter.

Recall also that while most will agree the K3 is a high performance
radio, there are enough complaints about the UI that some that would be
interested stay away and buy competing products. Some hold their nose
and put up with the K3's UI because of the performance, and still others
have no issue with the UI and simply use it as they've learned (I fall
in the last camp). In many respects Linux UIs share the same response.

Modern systems are complex and perceived user simplicity is a result of
someone else dealing with the complexity beforehand and elsewhere.

73, Nate N0NB

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possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

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Actually Don, the Apple II preceded the IBM PC and had a very strong
following. As the owner of a consulting firm that placed some Apple IIs
doing some difficult, at that time, interfacing to main frames we
welcomed the appearance of the IBM PC when it came on the scene. We had
the second IBM PC in Birmingham and after a couple of days of evaluation
recompiled our software and the rest was history.

73s Jim, W4ATK
On 5/27/2014 9:31 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> And those computers Tom Watson was speaking of took a large controlled
> environment room just for the various pieces. It was certainly not a
> desktop computer.
> Desktop computers did not come into being until the advent of the IBM
> PC in the 1980s. I bought my daughter a new IBM PC with 2 floppy
> drives and 64k of ram for her to use in her college classes. It was
> later upgraded with a 5 MB hard drive which replaced one of the floppy
> drives (3.5 inch floppys).
>
> We have come a long way since that time. That system cost $2500 at
> the time, now I can buy a computer with a LOT more capability for less
> than $300.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/27/2014 9:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> At sometime in the 50's, the President of IBM is alleged to have
>> said, "The worldwide market for computers is probably about twelve."
>> Apparently he didn't know Doug.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>> On 5/27/2014 1:29 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>>> I probably have 15 working computers.
>>
>
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On Tue, 5/27/14, Bill W2BLC <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I am not trolling, I really would like an honest answer as
> to why Linux is chosen over Windows for similar operations.

Bill,

In a similar way, I'm often asked why I spend so much effort with radio equipment, antennas, sunspots, etc. in such a cellphone and Internet dominated world.

The reasons are many. None are simple to explain.

I started dabbling with Linux 20 years ago because it gave me the opportunity to run the equivalent of Unix on low-cost, non-proprietary hardware (a PC) that I already had in my possession. I had previous experience with Unix, recognized it as a very serious and powerful OS, and wanted to learn more about it. At the same time, I saw Microsoft products as being very poor in quality and being targeted toward individuals who knew very little about computers and (even worse) didn't want to know anything about computers. I wasn't one of those people.

Slackware was my Linux distribution of choice in 1994, and it still remains so today. I find many of the flashy "all singing / all dancing" Linux distributions difficult to use when doing anything out of the ordinary because they often try to "think" for the user (in their effort to make things "easy"), and more often than not, get things wrong in the process. To me, these distributions aim for a Microsoft-like audience (individuals who know very little about computers and want to stay that way).

Having computer experience that dates back to the late 1970s, maybe you find yourself in a similar situation for a similar set of reasons.

I also think that the growing "do-it-yourself, build-your-own (Linux) mentality" that Doug (K0DXV) pointed out is also what Elecraft is all about as well, so it should come as no surprise that many Linux fans are Elecraft fans, too.

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Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

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I am working on a low power computer system for field day. My
approach is a Raspberry Pi board with a 12V HDMI display from
Adafruit and a SignaLink for digital modes. The Pi should have
enough horsepower for rig control and logging, but it may not
hack fldigi. In that case I can go to more powerful boards like
the Beaglebone.

I have a strong suspicion that the Elecraft utilities Linux
versions will not run on the Pi because it is based on an ARM
processor and they are built for Intel x86 architecture. I am
reluctant to ask Elecraft to spin versions for the various ARM
processors, but might so bold as to ask for source to spin my own.

My plan is to have my Mac handy with the working utilities and
the configuration files in case I need to reload the K3 or P3.
It's internal battery should last long enough in that
application so I won't have to worry about its high current draw.

BTW - The HDMI display would look really spiffy connected to a
PX3. It will require some kind of adapter if the interface is SVGA.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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Re: Elecraft's linux utilities - somewhat OT, or maybe not

Why not just use that apple laptop? I can get a good 3-4 hours out of it if i kill everything i don't need, especially all radios.
If i didn't run Windows in it (Parallels) for HRD - i'd probably get the advertised battery life.
Is there no way to recharge it if need be?
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On May 29, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I am working on a low power computer system for field day. My approach is a Raspberry Pi board with a 12V HDMI display from Adafruit and a SignaLink for digital modes. The Pi should have enough horsepower for rig control and logging, but it may not hack fldigi. In that case I can go to more powerful boards like the Beaglebone.
>
> I have a strong suspicion that the Elecraft utilities Linux versions will not run on the Pi because it is based on an ARM processor and they are built for Intel x86 architecture. I am reluctant to ask Elecraft to spin versions for the various ARM processors, but might so bold as to ask for source to spin my own.
>
> My plan is to have my Mac handy with the working utilities and the configuration files in case I need to reload the K3 or P3. It's internal battery should last long enough in that application so I won't have to worry about its high current draw.
>
> BTW - The HDMI display would look really spiffy connected to a PX3. It will require some kind of adapter if the interface is SVGA.
>
> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
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