External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
Locked
123
123
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
 
|
How about using, as I do, a totally separate computer that runs the radio
equipment and logging functions. All of that other stuff is banned from the shack and done on the desktop computer in the office. I don't need audible alerts of anything, thanks. Wes N7WS On 1/1/2021 11:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > That doesn't prevent other sounds - particularly VoIP (Zoom/Skype) > and steaming audio (Pandor, Podcasts, etc.) from reaching the rig > (and being transmitted if the digital program is running and/or > the VOX is enabled). > > There *IS NO BETTER SOLUTION* than a separate sound card for the > rig connection and proper a properly configured operating system > that separates "computer audio" and "radio audio". > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2021-01-01 1:20 PM, Wes wrote: >> Turn off Windows sounds in Control Panel and operate. >> >> On 1/1/2021 9:56 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: >>> A generically 'bad' idea and is the reason that voice, operating system >>> sounds (all illegal) and poor audio are often in the digital portions of the >>> bands. >>> >>> HNY! >>> Rick NK7I >>> >>> On 1/1/2021 8:50 AM, Wes wrote: >>>> You don't need a sound card beyond the one in your computer. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10
On 1/1/2021 11:05 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> Here's my writeup of a study that I did several years ago. Sorry, forgot the link. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf BTW -- the study consisted of hundreds of active comparisons of the tested units with the built-in interface of a pretty good Thinkpad. The setup was two Thinkpads, each decoding JT65 from my K3's line output. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Wes Stewart-2
Given the garbage audio heard on the bands, you are one in 10,000 who does not do *some* of the other things with the shack computer. The number of amateurs using some kind of DX alerting system and/or streaming music while waiting for someone else to find them "a new one" to work in significant and you can hear most of their alerts or music on the air from time to time. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2021-01-01 2:18 PM, Wes wrote: > How about using, as I do, a totally separate computer that runs the > radio equipment and logging functions. All of that other stuff is > banned from the shack and done on the desktop computer in the office. I > don't need audible alerts of anything, thanks. > > Wes N7WS > > > On 1/1/2021 11:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> That doesn't prevent other sounds - particularly VoIP (Zoom/Skype) >> and steaming audio (Pandor, Podcasts, etc.) from reaching the rig >> (and being transmitted if the digital program is running and/or >> the VOX is enabled). >> >> There *IS NO BETTER SOLUTION* than a separate sound card for the >> rig connection and proper a properly configured operating system >> that separates "computer audio" and "radio audio". >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2021-01-01 1:20 PM, Wes wrote: >>> Turn off Windows sounds in Control Panel and operate. >>> >>> On 1/1/2021 9:56 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: >>>> A generically 'bad' idea and is the reason that voice, operating >>>> system sounds (all illegal) and poor audio are often in the digital >>>> portions of the bands. >>>> >>>> HNY! >>>> Rick NK7I >>>> >>>> On 1/1/2021 8:50 AM, Wes wrote: >>>>> You don't need a sound card beyond the one in your computer. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Rick Bates, NK7I
I know the public service/emcom people have pushed on this
issue, because a fair number of public service events involve providing communication support for parades, and parades have bands, and bands are quite loud and overcome even a noise canceling microphone. I think there has even been an official ruling that these incidental sounds, that come along for the ride with legal communication, won't get you a notice from the FCC. Now transmitting voice in the CW bands is a different story. For starts, it's not incidental to legal communication. 73 Bill AE6JV On 1/1/21 at 1:22 PM, [hidden email] (Rick Bates, NK7I) wrote: >Defined in the simplest of terms, any sound transmitted other >than for the purposes of communication (voice, tones for >digital) is illegal. > >This includes background music in the same room as the >microphone (though generally ignored as part of the >environment, in the US; same as telephone 'hold' music in an >autopatch; traffic noise etc.) and certainly includes the >'musical' sounds from most OS (they offer no communication). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)348-7900 |is there are so many to choose| 150 Rivermead Rd #235 www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Peterborough, NH 03458 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
|
|
Transmitting voice or music to the FT8 interface is a big problem for
other users. It creates interference across the entire SSB filter bandwidth, not just in a single FT8 signal bandwidth. If you operate FT8 or any other digital mode you hear Microsoft musical notes and voice every day. The most reliable way to avoid interfering with every other FT8 user is to use an external sound card. 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Frantz" <[hidden email]> To: "Rick Bates, NK7I" <[hidden email]> Cc: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 10:14:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External sound card advice needed to attach to K3 I know the public service/emcom people have pushed on this issue, because a fair number of public service events involve providing communication support for parades, and parades have bands, and bands are quite loud and overcome even a noise canceling microphone. I think there has even been an official ruling that these incidental sounds, that come along for the ride with legal communication, won't get you a notice from the FCC. Now transmitting voice in the CW bands is a different story. For starts, it's not incidental to legal communication. 73 Bill AE6JV On 1/1/21 at 1:22 PM, [hidden email] (Rick Bates, NK7I) wrote: >Defined in the simplest of terms, any sound transmitted other >than for the purposes of communication (voice, tones for >digital) is illegal. > >This includes background music in the same room as the >microphone (though generally ignored as part of the >environment, in the US; same as telephone 'hold' music in an >autopatch; traffic noise etc.) and certainly includes the >'musical' sounds from most OS (they offer no communication). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)348-7900 |is there are so many to choose| 150 Rivermead Rd #235 www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Peterborough, NH 03458 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
|
|
I use my standard computers sound card for Digital Mode, works Fine.
Save your money! Ray WA6VAB K3 Windows 10 From: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 2:31 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External sound card advice needed to attach to K3 Transmitting voice or music to the FT8 interface is a big problem for other users. It creates interference across the entire SSB filter bandwidth, not just in a single FT8 signal bandwidth. If you operate FT8 or any other digital mode you hear Microsoft musical notes and voice every day. The most reliable way to avoid interfering with every other FT8 user is to use an external sound card. 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Frantz" <[hidden email]> To: "Rick Bates, NK7I" <[hidden email]> Cc: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 10:14:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External sound card advice needed to attach to K3 I know the public service/emcom people have pushed on this issue, because a fair number of public service events involve providing communication support for parades, and parades have bands, and bands are quite loud and overcome even a noise canceling microphone. I think there has even been an official ruling that these incidental sounds, that come along for the ride with legal communication, won't get you a notice from the FCC. Now transmitting voice in the CW bands is a different story. For starts, it's not incidental to legal communication. 73 Bill AE6JV On 1/1/21 at 1:22 PM, [hidden email] (Rick Bates, NK7I) wrote: >Defined in the simplest of terms, any sound transmitted other >than for the purposes of communication (voice, tones for >digital) is illegal. > >This includes background music in the same room as the >microphone (though generally ignored as part of the >environment, in the US; same as telephone 'hold' music in an >autopatch; traffic noise etc.) and certainly includes the >'musical' sounds from most OS (they offer no communication). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)348-7900 |is there are so many to choose| 150 Rivermead Rd #235 www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Peterborough, NH 03458 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
I've used the Syba USB 2.0 24 bit 96KHz DAC before. Search for B00KGK5I38 on Amazon It's currently listed at 22.99 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Frantz" <[hidden email]> To: "Rick Bates, NK7I" <[hidden email]> Cc: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 10:14:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External sound card advice needed to attach to K3 I know the public service/emcom people have pushed on this issue, because a fair number of public service events involve providing communication support for parades, and parades have bands, and bands are quite loud and overcome even a noise canceling microphone. I think there has even been an official ruling that these incidental sounds, that come along for the ride with legal communication, won't get you a notice from the FCC. Now transmitting voice in the CW bands is a different story. For starts, it's not incidental to legal communication. 73 Bill AE6JV On 1/1/21 at 1:22 PM, [hidden email] (Rick Bates, NK7I) wrote: >Defined in the simplest of terms, any sound transmitted other >than for the purposes of communication (voice, tones for >digital) is illegal. > >This includes background music in the same room as the >microphone (though generally ignored as part of the >environment, in the US; same as telephone 'hold' music in an >autopatch; traffic noise etc.) and certainly includes the >'musical' sounds from most OS (they offer no communication). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)348-7900 |is there are so many to choose| 150 Rivermead Rd #235 www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Peterborough, NH 03458 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Rick Bates, NK7I
On 1/1/2021 10:22 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
> While I'm not an attorney, I've read the rules (subject to > interpretation of course). That's always a good start. > Considering the general apathy of the FCC lately (US of course), I'm > not surprised that this has never been tested by citation. Why should it be? Don't poke the sleeping bear. Some may be see it as apathy, some may see it as common sense. My decades in FCC enforcement taught me to differentiate the two after one Division Chief asked me "don't you have anything better to do with your time.. " :) > I'd much rather err on the side of caution. Turning off the OS > sounds is not a complete solution. Sounds like pretty much a solution - if the sounds don't get generated they don't get into the audio chain. Of course the sounds generated by the programs need to be turned off as well. That's the job of the operator. > Using a sound card, specific and limited to the radio use, is a vast > improvement over using the OS sounds device to maintain legality. I go one better - I use a specific computer only for ham radio use. Happy New Year. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Rick Bates, NK7I
On 1/1/2021 10:33 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
> On 1/1/2021 10:20 AM, Wes wrote: >> Turn off Windows sounds in Control Panel and operate. > I disagree, most users are not adept at the trivia in the drivers, so > the chances of errant audio (monitor the microphone locally check mark) > increases the risk of transmitting 'garbage'. And these are the people that we trust to operate a radio transmitter capable of causing harmful interference that can cause serious health and welfare damage? How much skill is necessary to turn off a function the procedure of which can be defined in four or five short easy-to-follow sentences? Maybe this should be included in license review classes. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4
On 1/1/2021 10:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> That doesn't prevent other sounds - particularly VoIP (Zoom/Skype) > and steaming audio (Pandor, Podcasts, etc.) from reaching the rig > (and being transmitted if the digital program is running and/or > the VOX is enabled). Why would one keep these programs running while one is using ham radio on the computer? "Multi-tasking" has its limits. Thank Bill Gates et. al. for the concept of "Windows" being able to run everything all at once. Make up your mind - make a choice. We have an old ethnic saying - you can't sit in two chairs with one bottom. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Phil Kane-2
I fail to understand why so many are resistant to using an external USB
soundcard. Those adequate for data mode use are available in the $10 to $20 range, and it solves a lot of problems. Sure there are exotic soundcards costing $100 or more, but those are overkill for data modes. If you have a computer dedicated to the ham station setup, you can avoid this problem by simply turning off the OS sounds, but if you are using that computer for other tasks, then you likely want to leave the sounds turned on. With each OS update, check to be certain the OS sounds are still turned off. Just make sure your OS does not set the external soundcard as default. Windows often does that when you first install it - check the soundcard settings. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/1/2021 7:43 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 1/1/2021 10:22 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: > >> While I'm not an attorney, I've read the rules (subject to >> interpretation of course). > > That's always a good start. > >> Considering the general apathy of the FCC lately (US of course), I'm >> not surprised that this has never been tested by citation. > > Why should it be? Don't poke the sleeping bear. > > Some may be see it as apathy, some may see it as common sense. My > decades in FCC enforcement taught me to differentiate the two after one > Division Chief asked me "don't you have anything better to do with your > time.. " :) > >> I'd much rather err on the side of caution. Turning off the OS sounds >> is not a complete solution. > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4
On 1/1/2021 1:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> The number of amateurs using some kind of DX alerting system and/or > streaming music while waiting for someone else to find them "a new > one" to work in significant and you can hear most of their alerts > or music on the air from time to time. Bad form. They should know - or be taught - better. Forgive me, I'm and old f*** who's only been licensed 69 years. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Bill Frantz
On 1/1/2021 2:14 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> I think there has even been an official ruling that these incidental > sounds, that come along for the ride with legal communication, won't get > you a notice from the FCC. > > Now transmitting voice in the CW bands is a different story. For starts, > it's not incidental to legal communication. You hit the nail on the head. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
|
|
In reply to this post by wa6vab
Famous last words. The reason I have never hired Hams!
Sent from my iPad > On Jan 1, 2021, at 7:19 PM, Ray <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Save your money! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
|
|
I had Lots of work. Fixing the So called Garu’s problems !
Thanks WA6VAB Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 5:42 PM To: Ray Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External sound card advice needed to attach to K3 Famous last words. The reason I have never hired Hams! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 1, 2021, at 7:19 PM, Ray <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Save your money! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm
On 1/1/2021 5:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Just make sure your OS does not set the external soundcard as default. > Windows often does that when you first install it - check the soundcard > settings. The Winlink VARA setup instructions make this very clear, although I have never experienced a Win 10 update turning my OS sound selection on after I have turned it to "No Sounds". 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
|
|
In reply to this post by wa6vab
But you never worked for me and never will.
Sent from my iPad > On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:46 PM, Ray <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I had Lots of work. Fixing the So called Garu’s problems ! > Thanks WA6VAB > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: [hidden email] > Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 5:42 PM > To: Ray > Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External sound card advice needed to attach to K3 > > Famous last words. The reason I have never hired Hams! > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 1, 2021, at 7:19 PM, Ray <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Save your money! > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Phil Kane-2
> Bad form. They should know - or be taught - better. But there is no "teaching" ... give them a book with all the license questions, let them memorize them and get a license without a CW exam or test that amounts to anything - even for Amateur Extra these days. ARRL is too busy promoting WinStink and other quasi commercial activity to spend pages in QST and/or staff time at hamfest fora on good operating practice for digital modes. > Bad form. They should know - or be taught - better. Forgive me, I'm > and old f*** who's only been licensed 69 years. You've got about 19 years on me but I don't feel like an old f***. I do feel like someone trying to hold back the tide with a push broom. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2021-01-01 8:23 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 1/1/2021 1:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> The number of amateurs using some kind of DX alerting system and/or >> streaming music while waiting for someone else to find them "a new >> one" to work in significant and you can hear most of their alerts >> or music on the air from time to time. > > Bad form. They should know - or be taught - better. Forgive me, I'm > and old f*** who's only been licensed 69 years. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
In reply to this post by Phil Kane-2
If it's insisted to use the OS sound card; one should make sure that the
audio driver (slightly harder to access in Win 10) does not allow local microphone (web cam or often built into a laptop) to be accessed EVER (by disabling it AND reducing the level to zero), lest it find a path into the transmitter. Checking after each update is required; levels and setting CAN change then (check 'listen' tabs to deny as well). That is the same issue as those who choose a mic input for (computer audio) digital TX, yet fail to disconnect the mic during digital transmitting, so both go live and unintended station sounds are transmitted with the wanted digital tones. (head slap!) Again, a rig costs hundreds plus, a computer (except Pi) does also; yet there is resistance to adding a $20 item to make legality simpler to meet... not a significant price. Phil, you're correct in that it merits a question on the test; it's that common an error. (No, I won't poke the bear, except to get a better photo, hi and only from a safe distance). HNY, Rick NK7I On 1/1/2021 5:47 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 1/1/2021 5:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Just make sure your OS does not set the external soundcard as >> default. Windows often does that when you first install it - check >> the soundcard settings. > > The Winlink VARA setup instructions make this very clear, although I > have never experienced a Win 10 update turning my OS sound selection > on after I have turned it to "No Sounds". > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: External sound card advice needed to attach to K3
|
|
The advice to use a separate sound card just for the radio is wise, and
makes the use of the computer much more convenient for multiple tasks. For radios like the K3S, this additional 'sound card' is built into the radio, so there's no reason not to use it. For those of us (like me) with a K3 without a USB port, an external USB card is a great option. However, it is entirely possible for someone to configure Windows to use that card as the default as well, defeating the purpose of separate sound cards. In fact, Windows may "helpfully" do so itself when a new sound card is detected. So, adding a second card is great, but the PC must still be correctly configured. Bottom line is that people need to learn enough about their equipment (INCLUDING their computer) to configure it correctly, and to troubleshoot issues that arise. No different than learning to properly adjust a transmitter or amplifier for a clean signal - it goes with the territory. I believe the original poster simply wanted a recommendation on what sound card works well for digital modes. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a modern sound card that didn't - digital modes are not exactly demanding in terms of a high end sound card. Personally, I use this one with my K3 - https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-External-Adapter-Headphone-Microphone/dp/B01HPMHOY0 UGreen model 30420. They go for about 20 bucks. It's a combination of a sound card and a 3 port USB hub. I have it installed in the rack where my K3, P3, and Winkeyer live. The USB to RS-232 cable for the K3/P3 plugs into one of the ports on the hub, and the Winkeyer to another. Standard 1/8 inch audio cables connect the audio in/out from the UGreen device to the audio in/out on the K3. The single USB cable from the UGreen device goes to the PC via a short USB extension (the cord on the device is only 6 inches long). I've used this for over three years with no problems, for AFSK RTTY, SSTV, FT8, etc. as well as rig control and CW keying. All with one USB cable from the rack to the PC. Very convenient. On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 8:37 PM Rick Bates, NK7I <[hidden email]> wrote: > If it's insisted to use the OS sound card; one should make sure that the > audio driver (slightly harder to access in Win 10) does not allow local > microphone (web cam or often built into a laptop) to be accessed EVER > (by disabling it AND reducing the level to zero), lest it find a path > into the transmitter. Checking after each update is required; levels > and setting CAN change then (check 'listen' tabs to deny as well). > > That is the same issue as those who choose a mic input for (computer > audio) digital TX, yet fail to disconnect the mic during digital > transmitting, so both go live and unintended station sounds are > transmitted with the wanted digital tones. (head slap!) > > Again, a rig costs hundreds plus, a computer (except Pi) does also; yet > there is resistance to adding a $20 item to make legality simpler to > meet... not a significant price. > > Phil, you're correct in that it merits a question on the test; it's that > common an error. (No, I won't poke the bear, except to get a better > photo, hi and only from a safe distance). > > HNY, > Rick NK7I > > On 1/1/2021 5:47 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > > On 1/1/2021 5:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > > >> Just make sure your OS does not set the external soundcard as > >> default. Windows often does that when you first install it - check > >> the soundcard settings. > > > > The Winlink VARA setup instructions make this very clear, although I > > have never experienced a Win 10 update turning my OS sound selection > > on after I have turned it to "No Sounds". > > > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
«
Return to Elecraft
|
1 view|%1 views
| Free forum by Nabble | Edit this page |