FD at N4ZI! Some issues
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I ran FD with my K3 and an old Dell C610 laptop this weekend - I had some issues with it keying the cw port by itself when the laptop was off. I found that rebooting computer and radio worked the best. I also found that it was much more manageable when the USB mouse was not installed. I was using N1MM for logging. It seemed pretty stable even at 100 watts. I used my Group 29 deep cycle batteries in parallel so power was solid and clean. Most the issue was on 20 meters - I was in a Camper and the antenna for 20 meters ran right overhead!. I never have these issues at home with my Elecraft supplied USB com adapter. Now the COM adapter I used was a standard DB9m to DB9f which I assume had no shielding. I assume the Elecraft supplied one does, as I can see the external braid under the plastic. The older computer did not like the USB adapter type interface so I had to go with the older DB9 cable and COM 1! Question is this - want to purchase a newer laptop - another Dell. I want it to be stable for contesting with N1MM - thinking of either the Studio 15" model or a Latitude 15"? Also Studio has Vista where the Latitude you can still order it with XP Pro - What does everyone recommend? Vista or XP - If you get Vista you can get a free upgrade to Window 7? Scarey Huh! Tell me what you think! I made 845 Q's in about 17 hours with K3 - noise blanker worked real well Used my newer K3 SN 2914 this year! 73 de Bill N4ZI K3's sn # 1059 and #2914 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Why does it have to be a Dell again? Lenovo has a REAL winner in their
new T400s!!! Keep in mind this comes from a guy who probably spends at least 12 to 14 hours a day at a computer... I have a Dell right now that is recently out of Warranty and I don't expect it to make it too much longer. I have a few spare parts in anticipation of these things going out. I've been though several palm rests and keyboards on this Dell Latitude D610. But the Lenovo stuff is just built rock solid and designed for years and years of use... They last longer than they have any right to! ~Brett On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 17:50 -0700, Bill Maddock wrote: > I ran FD with my K3 and an old Dell C610 laptop this weekend - I had some > issues with it keying the cw port by itself when the laptop was off. I found that rebooting computer and radio worked the best. I also found that > it was much more manageable when the USB mouse was not installed. I was > using N1MM for logging. It seemed pretty stable even at 100 watts. I used > my Group 29 deep cycle batteries in parallel so power was solid and clean. > Most the issue was on 20 meters - I was in a Camper and the antenna > for 20 meters ran right overhead!. I never have these issues at home > with my Elecraft supplied USB com adapter. Now the COM adapter I used > was a standard DB9m to DB9f which I assume had no shielding. I assume the > Elecraft supplied one does, as I can see the external braid under the > plastic. The older computer did not like the USB adapter type interface > so I had to go with the older DB9 cable and COM 1! > > Question is this - want to purchase a newer laptop - another Dell. > I want it to be stable for contesting with N1MM - thinking of either > the Studio 15" model or a Latitude 15"? Also Studio has Vista > where the Latitude you can still order it with XP Pro - What does > everyone recommend? Vista or XP - If you get Vista you can get a free upgrade to Window 7? Scarey Huh! Tell me what you think! > > I made 845 Q's in about 17 hours with K3 - noise blanker worked real > well Used my newer K3 SN 2914 this year! > > 73 de Bill N4ZI K3's sn # 1059 and #2914 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Bill,
Stick with XP... I can understand the temptation of Windows 7, but carefully consider the track record of Microsoft's new releases. There is always the possibility that drivers that work now will never be supported with the new OS. I like my HP Laptop, found one that still had a serial port with XP on it. Vista has been nothing but a pain on all the computers I've used it on so far. 73, julius
Julius Fazekas
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Ron hits it on the head... It all depends.
Most of the problems seen here have to do with legacy hardware and software, or non-Microsoft software. I'd say by far there have been more issues with Vista Home versions than Vista 64. The major problem for Hams is legacy items. Part of that debate is seen here often with the USB/Serial Port discussions on the K3. It all depends on where your interests lie. Some activities are more cutting edge than others: SDR, GPS related and contesting (if you want to be competitive anyway). There are still a lot of people happily using DOS based programs. Technology doesn't sleep and change is the only constant. Happy 4th to all! 73, Julius
Julius Fazekas
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On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Julius Fazekas n2wn wrote: > Most of the problems seen here have to do with legacy hardware and > software, > or non-Microsoft software. I beg to differ -- my non-Microsoft software gives me the least amount of trouble. Of course, I use a Mac.... Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: [hidden email] Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Let's end the Win7/Vista/XP/Mac OS discussion for now as it is drifting
way OT. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator === _..._ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Folks,
My recommendation to those who have legacy applications and hardware to support is to obtain a computer and a copy of Windows 2K pro and put it on a computer that will be used in the ham shack (dual boot if you have to). Most DOS programs will run in the "DOS-box", and it will support most USB devices as well as 'legacy hardware' like serial ports. Win2K Pro is a solid operating system even though it does not have all the "whiz-bang" GUI features of XP and Vista, but it can operate without all the extra glut and just keeps 'slugging along' with no problems. 73, Don W3FPR Julius Fazekas n2wn wrote: > Ron hits it on the head... It all depends. > > Most of the problems seen here have to do with legacy hardware and software, > or non-Microsoft software. I'd say by far there have been more issues with > Vista Home versions than Vista 64. > > The major problem for Hams is legacy items. Part of that debate is seen here > often with the USB/Serial Port discussions on the K3. > > It all depends on where your interests lie. Some activities are more cutting > edge than others: SDR, GPS related and contesting (if you want to be > competitive anyway). > > There are still a lot of people happily using DOS based programs. Technology > doesn't sleep and change is the only constant. > > Happy 4th to all! > > 73, > Julius > > > Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > >> Julius wrote: >> >> I like my HP Laptop, found one that still had a serial port with XP on it. >> >> Vista has been nothing but a pain on all the computers I've used it on so >> far. >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> That's an excellent example of how experiences vary. Over the past year >> I've >> swapped two of our three business pc's for new machines running Vista. >> One, >> a Toshiba notebook, runs Vista 32 and the other, an HP mini-tower desktop, >> runs Vista 64. >> >> Both machines run a wide variety of applications used in data analysis, >> modeling, publishing, writing and graphics development. >> >> Neither Vista machine has caused any problems at all. They both work day >> after day like a good, dependable tool should. >> >> Obviously Julius' and my experiences demonstrate how results vary widely >> according to the specific environment, and that's *very* important to >> understand in modern Hamshacks. >> >> I will say that, because our machines are critical to supporting our >> clients, I don't quibble about updates. Upon upgrading a machine or an OS, >> important software that has a new version available is updated >> immediately. >> Also, our machines are configured to automatically download and install >> every Windows update. >> >> I wholeheartedly endorse Julius' suggestion to avoid being an "early >> adopter" of a complex new product if you want a stable system, especially >> new products from a strongly market-driven company like MS. >> >> As more and more Hams tightly integrate their computers with their >> stations, >> having a known, stable, and dependable computer, with correctly-assembled >> interfaces and proper cabling is essential for a reliable station. >> >> Such Hams are really the modern "homebrewers", building a complex >> communications system out of a variety of components that is electrically >> quiet, RF- efficient and reliable. As long-time homebrewer who started >> with >> vacuum tubes in the 1940's, I believe that what Hams do today assembling a >> complex station is often as demanding as the work of many Hams decades ago >> who assembled their own receivers and transmitters. >> >> Ron AC7AC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> > > > ----- > Julius Fazekas > N2WN > > Tennessee Contest Group > http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html > > Tennessee QSO Party > http://www.tnqp.org/ > > Elecraft K2/100 #4455 > Elecraft K3/100 #366 > Elecraft K3 #1875 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 05:54:00 > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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One thing to add, you can right click on an EXE application and run it in
compatibility mode on 2000 or XP. Using the professional editions of XP brings into play more options in the OS. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:49 PM To: Julius Fazekas n2wn Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FD at N4ZI! Some issues Folks, My recommendation to those who have legacy applications and hardware to support is to obtain a computer and a copy of Windows 2K pro and put it on a computer that will be used in the ham shack (dual boot if you have to). Most DOS programs will run in the "DOS-box", and it will support most USB devices as well as 'legacy hardware' like serial ports. Win2K Pro is a solid operating system even though it does not have all the "whiz-bang" GUI features of XP and Vista, but it can operate without all the extra glut and just keeps 'slugging along' with no problems. 73, Don W3FPR Julius Fazekas n2wn wrote: > Ron hits it on the head... It all depends. > > Most of the problems seen here have to do with legacy hardware and software, > or non-Microsoft software. I'd say by far there have been more issues with > Vista Home versions than Vista 64. > > The major problem for Hams is legacy items. Part of that debate is seen here > often with the USB/Serial Port discussions on the K3. > > It all depends on where your interests lie. Some activities are more cutting > edge than others: SDR, GPS related and contesting (if you want to be > competitive anyway). > > > 73, > Julius >................................... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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