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k4vd

FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts
again.

I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box,
WinKeyer and Fldigi.

I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is
happening. My CQ string is:

<TX>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k
<RX>

What shows up on Fldigi when sending:

CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
TT N4TT PSE K

Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is showing
up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right after PSE
K (caps).

I have another macro:

<TX>
<CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
<RX>

It sends:
de N4TT N4TT kn
T KN

The physical setup:

WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1)
WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)

Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.

I'm not sure what else to try.

73,
Kevin N4TT
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Jim Rhodes-3

Re: FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

OK, just to make sure. The FSK signal on the ACC connector goes to pin 1,
the PTT signal goes to pin 4 and the ground connection goes to pin 5. From
your description I am not sure how you have everything wired. I use a box I
made years ago that has the 15 pin connectors like the Y-box and 9 pin
connectors for 2 serial ports with transistor switches for FSK and PTT.
(Have been using this for years longer than the Y-box has been around. My
WinKeyer is also old and doesn't do RTTY, but then I don't need it to. This
is used on my K3, but the connector is the same of course.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 7:58 PM Kevin, N4TT <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts
> again.
>
> I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box,
> WinKeyer and Fldigi.
>
> I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is
> happening. My CQ string is:
>
> <TX>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k
> <RX>
>
> What shows up on Fldigi when sending:
>
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
> TT N4TT PSE K
>
> Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is showing
> up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right after PSE
> K (caps).
>
> I have another macro:
>
> <TX>
> <CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
> <RX>
>
> It sends:
> de N4TT N4TT kn
> T KN
>
> The physical setup:
>
> WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1)
> WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)
>
> Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.
>
> I'm not sure what else to try.
>
> 73,
> Kevin N4TT
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Mark Musick

Re: FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

In reply to this post by k4vd

Hi Kevin,
I don't use FLDIGI, but I can tell you what you are seeing is not a hardware issue.
The reason your seeing TT N4TT PSE K is because that is what FLDIGI is sending.
You need to look at the setup in FLDIGI.
Is there a message that has TT N4TT PSE K that is chained to the message you created?
Look in the FLDIGI manual or help file your answer may be there.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Kevin, N4TT
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:52
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts again.

I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box, WinKeyer and Fldigi.

I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is happening. My CQ string is:

<TX>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k <RX>

What shows up on Fldigi when sending:

CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
TT N4TT PSE K

Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is showing up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right after PSE K (caps).

I have another macro:

<TX>
<CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
<RX>

It sends:
de N4TT N4TT kn
T KN

The physical setup:

WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1) WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)

Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.

I'm not sure what else to try.

73,
Kevin N4TT
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k4vd

Re: FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

Hi Mark... I'm sure you're right that it is something Fldigi is sending but
it is not part of the macro. It's the same macro I use with AFSK (and CW).
It seems to only happen when the macro contains <RX> which is supposed to
put the rig back into receive at the end of the macro. If I send the same
macro without <RX> then there are no additional characters sent.

I'll probably head over to the fldigi forum soon and see what's said there.

Kev

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:39 PM Mark Musick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
> I don't use FLDIGI, but I can tell you what you are seeing is not a
> hardware issue.
> The reason your seeing TT N4TT PSE K is because that is what FLDIGI is
> sending.
> You need to look at the setup in FLDIGI.
> Is there a message that has TT N4TT PSE K that is chained to the message
> you created?
> Look in the FLDIGI manual or help file your answer may be there.
>
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> On Behalf Of Kevin, N4TT
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:52
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
>
> I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts
> again.
>
> I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box,
> WinKeyer and Fldigi.
>
> I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is
> happening. My CQ string is:
>
> <TX>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k <RX>
>
> What shows up on Fldigi when sending:
>
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
> TT N4TT PSE K
>
> Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is
> showing up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right
> after PSE K (caps).
>
> I have another macro:
>
> <TX>
> <CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
> <RX>
>
> It sends:
> de N4TT N4TT kn
> T KN
>
> The physical setup:
>
> WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1) WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box
> PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)
>
> Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.
>
> I'm not sure what else to try.
>
> 73,
> Kevin N4TT
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Mark Musick

Re: FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

Kevin,
I think going to the FLDIGI reflector is your best bet.
It is good to know it is a FLDIGI issue and not a hardware issue.
Sorry I couldn’t be more help.
Good luck finding the fix and please let us know here on the Elecraft reflector what you find.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

From: Kevin, N4TT <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 02:45
To: Mark Musick <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

Hi Mark... I'm sure you're right that it is something Fldigi is sending but it is not part of the macro. It's the same macro I use with AFSK (and CW). It seems to only happen when the macro contains <RX> which is supposed to put the rig back into receive at the end of the macro. If I send the same macro without <RX> then there are no additional characters sent.

I'll probably head over to the fldigi forum soon and see what's said there.

Kev

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:39 PM Mark Musick <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
Hi Kevin,
I don't use FLDIGI, but I can tell you what you are seeing is not a hardware issue.
The reason your seeing TT N4TT PSE K is because that is what FLDIGI is sending.
You need to look at the setup in FLDIGI.
Is there a message that has TT N4TT PSE K that is chained to the message you created?
Look in the FLDIGI manual or help file your answer may be there.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> On Behalf Of Kevin, N4TT
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:52
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts again.

I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box, WinKeyer and Fldigi.

I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is happening. My CQ string is:

<TX>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k <RX>

What shows up on Fldigi when sending:

CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
TT N4TT PSE K

Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is showing up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right after PSE K (caps).

I have another macro:

<TX>
<CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
<RX>

It sends:
de N4TT N4TT kn
T KN

The physical setup:

WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1) WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)

Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.

I'm not sure what else to try.

73,
Kevin N4TT
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k4vd

Re: FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

Thanks everyone. I think I have the combination of K3s, Fldigi, WinKeyer
and Y-Box doing FSK OK. All my issues seemed to be centered around Fldigi
quirks. Pretty frustrating but done is done.

The Y-box ties everything together nicely and exposes the FSK and PTT pins
for easy access from the WinKeyer.

Let me know if you want my notes about setting up the WinKeyer with Fldigi
for FSK.

73,
Kev N4TT

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:07 PM Mark Musick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Kevin,
>
> I think going to the FLDIGI reflector is your best bet.
>
> It is good to know it is a FLDIGI issue and not a hardware issue.
>
> Sorry I couldn’t be more help.
>
> Good luck finding the fix and please let us know here on the Elecraft
> reflector what you find.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Mark, WB9CIF
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin, N4TT <[hidden email]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 18, 2019 02:45
> *To:* Mark Musick <[hidden email]>
> *Cc:* Elecraft Reflector Reflector <[hidden email]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
>
>
>
> Hi Mark... I'm sure you're right that it is something Fldigi is sending
> but it is not part of the macro. It's the same macro I use with AFSK (and
> CW). It seems to only happen when the macro contains <RX> which is supposed
> to put the rig back into receive at the end of the macro. If I send the
> same macro without <RX> then there are no additional characters sent.
>
>
>
> I'll probably head over to the fldigi forum soon and see what's said there.
>
>
>
> Kev
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:39 PM Mark Musick <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
> I don't use FLDIGI, but I can tell you what you are seeing is not a
> hardware issue.
> The reason your seeing TT N4TT PSE K is because that is what FLDIGI is
> sending.
> You need to look at the setup in FLDIGI.
> Is there a message that has TT N4TT PSE K that is chained to the message
> you created?
> Look in the FLDIGI manual or help file your answer may be there.
>
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> On Behalf Of Kevin, N4TT
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:52
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
>
> I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts
> again.
>
> I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box,
> WinKeyer and Fldigi.
>
> I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is
> happening. My CQ string is:
>
> <TX>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k <RX>
>
> What shows up on Fldigi when sending:
>
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
> TT N4TT PSE K
>
> Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is
> showing up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right
> after PSE K (caps).
>
> I have another macro:
>
> <TX>
> <CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
> <RX>
>
> It sends:
> de N4TT N4TT kn
> T KN
>
> The physical setup:
>
> WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1) WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box
> PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)
>
> Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.
>
> I'm not sure what else to try.
>
> 73,
> Kevin N4TT
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