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FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

I have recently had to reform my C drive and reload Windows 7 Pro

After doing the process of reinstalling the K3 utilities off the Elecraft site
it has given me an outcome not meeting the prior results. It down loaded fine
but now I get PTT pulses on boot or sleep turn on.

Never before with the same OS did the same DELL give me this. Exactly, I get a series
of PTT key up pulses in a series of, " - - - - - - - " each dash representing the short PTT keyup
pulses on the K3 and it's always the seme series of PTT key ups. Something has changed but it isn't the FTDI driver. The command is coming from the Win 7 OS generating it with the FTDI driver. Is there something in the BIOS that has changed? This is the Elecraft FTDI chip set cable.

Any Windows 7 gurus who can help me?

Thanks

John, W1QS

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Ken G Kopp

Re: FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

John,

My Windows 7 Pro has always operated this way. Dunno if it's evidence of a
"problem" or not. The "fix" ... for me ... is to first push TX disable on
the K3 when turning the computer on.

73

Ken - K0PP
On Nov 12, 2015 10:16 AM, "John Lawrence via Elecraft" <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I have recently had to reform my C drive and reload Windows 7 Pro
>
> After doing the process of reinstalling the K3 utilities off the Elecraft
> site
> it has given me an outcome not meeting the prior results. It down loaded
> fine
> but now I get PTT pulses on boot or sleep turn on.
>
>
> Never before with the same OS did the same DELL give me this. Exactly, I
> get a series
> of PTT key up pulses in a series of, " - - - - - - - " each dash
> representing the short PTT keyup
> pulses on the K3 and it's always the seme series of PTT key ups.
> Something has changed but it isn't the FTDI driver. The command is coming
> from the Win 7 OS generating it with the FTDI driver. Is there something
> in the BIOS that has changed? This is the Elecraft FTDI chip set cable.
>
> Any Windows 7 gurus who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> John, W1QS
>
>
>
>
>
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Art Hejduk

Re: FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

I just make sure I have the K3 connected to a dummy load.

73,
Art WB8ENE

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> John,
>
> My Windows 7 Pro has always operated this way. Dunno if it's evidence of a
> "problem" or not. The "fix" ... for me ... is to first push TX disable on
> the K3 when turning the computer on.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
> On Nov 12, 2015 10:16 AM, "John Lawrence via Elecraft" <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have recently had to reform my C drive and reload Windows 7 Pro
> >
> > After doing the process of reinstalling the K3 utilities off the Elecraft
> > site
> > it has given me an outcome not meeting the prior results. It down loaded
> > fine
> > but now I get PTT pulses on boot or sleep turn on.
> >
> >
> > Never before with the same OS did the same DELL give me this. Exactly,
> I
> > get a series
> > of PTT key up pulses in a series of, " - - - - - - - " each dash
> > representing the short PTT keyup
> > pulses on the K3 and it's always the seme series of PTT key ups.
> > Something has changed but it isn't the FTDI driver. The command is
> coming
> > from the Win 7 OS generating it with the FTDI driver. Is there something
> > in the BIOS that has changed? This is the Elecraft FTDI chip set cable.
> >
> > Any Windows 7 gurus who can help me?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > John, W1QS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Ken G Kopp

Re: FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

In reply to this post by Elecraft mailing list

Slight correction to my post ...

"first push the TEST side of the MODE button..."

73!

Ken - K0PP
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Art Hejduk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I just make sure I have the K3 connected to a dummy load.
>
> 73,
> Art WB8ENE
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> My Windows 7 Pro has always operated this way. Dunno if it's evidence of
>> a
>> "problem" or not. The "fix" ... for me ... is to first push TX disable on
>> the K3 when turning the computer on.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>> On Nov 12, 2015 10:16 AM, "John Lawrence via Elecraft" <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I have recently had to reform my C drive and reload Windows 7 Pro
>> >
>> > After doing the process of reinstalling the K3 utilities off the
>> Elecraft
>> > site
>> > it has given me an outcome not meeting the prior results. It down
>> loaded
>> > fine
>> > but now I get PTT pulses on boot or sleep turn on.
>> >
>> >
>> > Never before with the same OS did the same DELL give me this.
>> Exactly, I
>> > get a series
>> > of PTT key up pulses in a series of, " - - - - - - - " each dash
>> > representing the short PTT keyup
>> > pulses on the K3 and it's always the seme series of PTT key ups.
>> > Something has changed but it isn't the FTDI driver. The command is
>> coming
>> > from the Win 7 OS generating it with the FTDI driver. Is there
>> something
>> > in the BIOS that has changed? This is the Elecraft FTDI chip set cable.
>> >
>> > Any Windows 7 gurus who can help me?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > John, W1QS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Dick Dievendorff-4

FW: FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

In reply to this post by Elecraft mailing list

During OS startup and device driver initialization the rs-232 control lines
(DTR and or RTS) are sometimes wiggled. If your K3 is configured to PTT or
KEY on these RS-232 signals, it can transmit. Check k3 config PTT-KEY.

This happened to me a lot when I used this keying technique with N1MM.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 07:05, John Lawrence via Elecraft
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Exactly, I get a series
> of PTT key up pulses in a series of, " - - - - - - - " each dash
representing the short PTT keyup
> pulses on the K3 and it's always the seme series of PTT key ups.
Something has changed but it isn't the FTDI driver. The command is coming
from the Win 7 OS generating it with the FTDI driver. Is there something in
the BIOS that has changed? This is the Elecraft FTDI chip set cable.

>
> Any Windows 7 gurus who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> John, W1QS
>
>
>
>
>
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Stephen Shearer

Re: FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

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Try turning the computer on first and don't sleep.
If you had to re-load W7, why not load W10?

In digital modes, I don't let the screen or computer sleep...

73, Steve WB3LGC

On 12-Nov-15 10:05 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft wrote:

>
> I have recently had to reform my C drive and reload Windows 7 Pro
>
> After doing the process of reinstalling the K3 utilities off the Elecraft site
> it has given me an outcome not meeting the prior results. It down loaded fine
> but now I get PTT pulses on boot or sleep turn on.
>
>
> Never before with the same OS did the same DELL give me this. Exactly, I get a series
> of PTT key up pulses in a series of, " - - - - - - - " each dash representing the short PTT keyup
> pulses on the K3 and it's always the seme series of PTT key ups. Something has changed but it isn't the FTDI driver. The command is coming from the Win 7 OS generating it with the FTDI driver. Is there something in the BIOS that has changed? This is the Elecraft FTDI chip set cable.
>
> Any Windows 7 gurus who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> John, W1QS
>
>
>
>
>
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

Start the computer first and let it completely boot. Then turn the
radio power supply on and then the radio. The computer will then
recognize the USB port and connect accordingly. When shutting down,
radio first, then radio power supply, then computer.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 11/12/2015 11:24 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> John,
>
> My Windows 7 Pro has always operated this way. Dunno if it's evidence of a
> "problem" or not. The "fix" ... for me ... is to first push TX disable on
> the K3 when turning the computer on.

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

This will always be that "problem" when the K3 PTT-KEY menu item is not
set to OFF-OFF.
If you need to use those functions from the computer port, do as others
have indicated, first turn on the computer, let it run its startup
diagnostics, and then turn on the K3.
If you need to do otherwise (to re-boot the computer), then put the K3
into TX TEST until the computer completes its boot and diagnostics,
It does not matter whether you are using a real serial port or a USB to
serial adapter, the result will be the same - the computer "wiggles"
those serial port lines during its boot diagnostics.

Other than appealing to Microsoft and Apple to change that behavior, I
don't see another alternative available.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2015 7:35 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> Start the computer first and let it completely boot. Then turn the
> radio power supply on and then the radio. The computer will then
> recognize the USB port and connect accordingly. When shutting down,
> radio first, then radio power supply, then computer.
>

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: FTDI to serial adapter for K3 with Windows 7 change. Why?

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I have been informed by those who know that the behavior (wiggling the
serial port lines) is confined to Windows. It does not happen with the
Apple (MAC) OS.

So only letters and other appeals to only Microsoft are necessary.
In the meantime, realize that those signals are active during MS
computer boot times, and take whatever actions are necessary.

73,
Don W3FPR

--------------------------------------------------------
This will always be that "problem" when the K3 PTT-KEY menu item is not
set to OFF-OFF.
If you need to use those functions from the computer port, do as others
have indicated, first turn on the computer, let it run its startup
diagnostics, and then turn on the K3.
If you need to do otherwise (to re-boot the computer), then put the K3
into TX TEST until the computer completes its boot and diagnostics,
It does not matter whether you are using a real serial port or a USB to
serial adapter, the result will be the same - the computer "wiggles"
those serial port lines during its boot diagnostics.

Other than appealing to Microsoft and Apple to change that behavior, I
don't see another alternative available.

73,
Don W3FPR

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