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I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code.
Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed I have read the manual and it does not really help me. Thanks Bill W3WGG Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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For SSB use LoCut and HiCut, not shift and width. Shift and Width will drive you crazy because each time you reduce the width, you will have to adjust Shift to maintain a good center frequency. HiCut.LoCut adjusts it automatically. Set the low end between 300 and 400 Hz initially, then set the high end initially for 2800 to 2900. If there is QRM on the high frequency side, reduce the HiCut, and if there is QRM on the low frequency side, increase LoCut. You will find that you cannot cut the low frequency end very far before you lose intelligibility, but you can cut the high end significantly. While you will lose the voice characteristics, it will remain intelligible down to 1600 or 1800 Hz. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/30/2018 8:07 PM, Bill wrote: > I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. > Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? > It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed > I have read the manual and it does not really help me. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Congratulations. The K3 is a really nice radio with
extraordinary factory support. For SSB, I set low cut to .35 KHz and adjust the upper cut between 1.9 KHz and 2.8 KHz, depending on conditions. Higher makes for easier copy, but lower will eliminate more noise, and help with nearby stations. Remember, the crystal filters are to protect the AtoD converter in the receiver. The DSP has many useful settings between those of the installed filters. 73 Bill AE6JV On 6/30/18 at 5:07 PM, [hidden email] (Bill) wrote: >I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. >Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? >It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed >I have read the manual and it does not really help me. >Thanks >Bill >W3WGG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Bill,
Adjust the lo and hi cut filters to make the signal you are listening to sound good (in the absence or QRM). In a crowded band with QRM on either side, adjust either the lo or hi cut to reduce or eliminate the interference. Note that the lo and hi refer to audio frequencies. If an interfering station has a higher pitch, adjust the hi cut; lower pitch the lo cut. You shouldn't consider these controls to be set and forget. They can be changed to meet changing reception conditions. Lo and hi cut have no effect on your transmitted signal. Cheers and enjoy the K3. Fred KE7X For all KE7X elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> ________________________________ From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of Bill <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 6:07 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] Filters I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed I have read the manual and it does not really help me. Thanks Bill W3WGG Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Bill,
For SSB use the LoCut/HiCut mode. Set LoCut for 300Hz and HighCut for 2700Hz initially. That gives you comfortable audio when there is no serious QRM. If QRM from above in frequency bothers you, crank the HiCut down to 2400Hz or even 2100Hz. If you have narrower crystal filters, like 2100Hz or 1800Hz they will switch in automatically. Don't touch the FL button. If you have QRM from below (assuming USB) unfortunately there isn't much you can do. As Don says (in a different thread), cutting the lows much above 300Hz quickly affects intelligibility. Lowering the HiCut also lowers the noise floor of the receiver if you are listening to a signal in the noise. AB2TC - Knut Cady, Fred-2 wrote > Hi Bill, > > Adjust the lo and hi cut filters to make the signal you are listening to > sound good (in the absence or QRM). In a crowded band with QRM on either > side, adjust either the lo or hi cut to reduce or eliminate the > interference. Note that the lo and hi refer to audio frequencies. If an > interfering station has a higher pitch, adjust the hi cut; lower pitch the > lo cut. You shouldn't consider these controls to be set and forget. They > can be changed to meet changing reception conditions. > > Lo and hi cut have no effect on your transmitted signal. > > > Cheers and enjoy the K3. > > Fred KE7X > > > For all KE7X elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> > > > > ________________________________ > From: > elecraft-bounces@.qth > < > elecraft-bounces@.qth > > on behalf of Bill < > 1lasportsman@ >> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 6:07 PM > To: > elecraft@.qth > Subject: [Elecraft] Filters > > I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. > Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? > It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed > I have read the manual and it does not really help me. > Thanks > Bill > W3WGG > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft@.qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > fcady@ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft@.qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791@.nabble -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Believe it or not, in some SSB contests I've dropped the hicut down to
as low as 1100/1200 Hz and still been able to copy some voices. It's really dependent on the voice characteristics of the operator on the other end, but it works often enough to be usable in heavy QRM. 73, Dave AB7E On 6/30/2018 5:36 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bill, > For SSB use LoCut and HiCut, not shift and width. Shift and Width > will drive you crazy because each time you reduce the width, you will > have to adjust Shift to maintain a good center frequency. HiCut.LoCut > adjusts it automatically. > > Set the low end between 300 and 400 Hz initially, then set the high > end initially for 2800 to 2900. If there is QRM on the high frequency > side, reduce the HiCut, and if there is QRM on the low frequency side, > increase LoCut. > > You will find that you cannot cut the low frequency end very far > before you lose intelligibility, but you can cut the high end > significantly. While you will lose the voice characteristics, it will > remain intelligible down to 1600 or 1800 Hz. > > 73, > Don W3FPR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Good info on the filters I had never tried the LO/HI CUT and I like it. One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG item I need to change? I looked through the CONFIG menus and Fred Cady’s book however I did not see anything about setting that step.
73, Michael KK6RWK > On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Congratulations. The K3 is a really nice radio with extraordinary factory support. > > For SSB, I set low cut to .35 KHz and adjust the upper cut between 1.9 KHz and 2.8 KHz, depending on conditions. Higher makes for easier copy, but lower will eliminate more noise, and help with nearby stations. Remember, the crystal filters are to protect the AtoD converter in the receiver. The DSP has many useful settings between those of the installed filters. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 6/30/18 at 5:07 PM, [hidden email] (Bill) wrote: > >> I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. >> Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? >> It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed >> I have read the manual and it does not really help me. >> Thanks >> Bill >> W3WGG > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: > 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the > www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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PB CTRL should do what you want. See page 62 of the K3S manual.
Jack, W6FB > On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Good info on the filters I had never tried the LO/HI CUT and I like it. One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG item I need to change? I looked through the CONFIG menus and Fred Cady’s book however I did not see anything about setting that step. > > 73, > Michael > KK6RWK > > >> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Congratulations. The K3 is a really nice radio with extraordinary factory support. >> >> For SSB, I set low cut to .35 KHz and adjust the upper cut between 1.9 KHz and 2.8 KHz, depending on conditions. Higher makes for easier copy, but lower will eliminate more noise, and help with nearby stations. Remember, the crystal filters are to protect the AtoD converter in the receiver. The DSP has many useful settings between those of the installed filters. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> On 6/30/18 at 5:07 PM, [hidden email] (Bill) wrote: >> >>> I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. >>> Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? >>> It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed >>> I have read the manual and it does not really help me. >>> Thanks >>> Bill >>> W3WGG >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: >> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hmmm when I try that I get Shif=.05 however and when I turn VFO-A it says N/A and it still moves in .10 increments?
> On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:55 PM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote: > > PB CTRL should do what you want. See page 62 of the K3S manual. > > Jack, W6FB > >> On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Good info on the filters I had never tried the LO/HI CUT and I like it. One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG item I need to change? I looked through the CONFIG menus and Fred Cady’s book however I did not see anything about setting that step. >> >> 73, >> Michael >> KK6RWK >> >> >>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations. The K3 is a really nice radio with extraordinary factory support. >>> >>> For SSB, I set low cut to .35 KHz and adjust the upper cut between 1.9 KHz and 2.8 KHz, depending on conditions. Higher makes for easier copy, but lower will eliminate more noise, and help with nearby stations. Remember, the crystal filters are to protect the AtoD converter in the receiver. The DSP has many useful settings between those of the installed filters. >>> >>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>> >>> On 6/30/18 at 5:07 PM, [hidden email] (Bill) wrote: >>> >>>> I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. >>>> Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? >>>> It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed >>>> I have read the manual and it does not really help me. >>>> Thanks >>>> Bill >>>> W3WGG >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: >>> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >>> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Mine moves in .10 increments, but it seems to like the numbers
that end in 5. e.g. .350. I wouldn't worry too much about it. set the low end to .3 or to .4, depending on conditions and the voice you're listening to and call it good. The whole purpose of the knobs is to let you adjust the bandwidth to match conditions. 73 Bill AE6JV On 6/30/18 at 8:44 PM, [hidden email] (Michael Gillen via Elecraft) wrote: >Hmmm when I try that I get Shif=.05 however and when I turn >VFO-A it says N/A and it still moves in .10 increments? > > >>On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:55 PM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>PB CTRL should do what you want. See page 62 of the K3S manual. >> >>Jack, W6FB >> >>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Good info on the filters I had never tried the LO/HI CUT >>>and I like it. One question: On my K3S I >cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only steps in .10 increments >not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG item I need to change? >I looked through the CONFIG menus and Fred Cady’s book >however I did not see anything about setting that step. >>> 73, >>> Michael >>> KK6RWK >>> >>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> Congratulations. The K3 is a really nice radio with >>>>extraordinary factory support. >>>> For SSB, I set low cut to .35 KHz and adjust the upper >>>>cut between 1.9 KHz and 2.8 KHz, depending >on conditions. Higher makes for easier copy, but lower will >eliminate more noise, and help with nearby stations. Remember, >the crystal filters are to protect the AtoD converter in the >receiver. The DSP has many useful settings between those of the >installed filters. >>>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>>> On 6/30/18 at 5:07 PM, [hidden email] (Bill) wrote: >>>> >>>>> I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. >>>>> Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? >>>>> It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed >>>>> I have read the manual and it does not really help me. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Bill >>>>> W3WGG >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: >>>> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >>>> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to [hidden email] > Bill Frantz | I don't have high-speed | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | internet. I have DSL. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Yup, you are right. The manual clearly states that PB CTRL only affects CW and Data modes, and shifts the increment between 0.05 and .01 KHz.
It appears to be fixed at .1 KHz for SSB for both low and hi cut. Those increments work pretty well as is. 73, Jack, W6FB > On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:44 PM, Michael Gillen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hmmm when I try that I get Shif=.05 however and when I turn VFO-A it says N/A and it still moves in .10 increments? > > >> On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:55 PM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> PB CTRL should do what you want. See page 62 of the K3S manual. >> >> Jack, W6FB >> >>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Good info on the filters I had never tried the LO/HI CUT and I like it. One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG item I need to change? I looked through the CONFIG menus and Fred Cady’s book however I did not see anything about setting that step. >>> >>> 73, >>> Michael >>> KK6RWK >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Congratulations. The K3 is a really nice radio with extraordinary factory support. >>>> >>>> For SSB, I set low cut to .35 KHz and adjust the upper cut between 1.9 KHz and 2.8 KHz, depending on conditions. Higher makes for easier copy, but lower will eliminate more noise, and help with nearby stations. Remember, the crystal filters are to protect the AtoD converter in the receiver. The DSP has many useful settings between those of the installed filters. >>>> >>>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>>> >>>> On 6/30/18 at 5:07 PM, [hidden email] (Bill) wrote: >>>> >>>>> I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. >>>>> Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? >>>>> It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed >>>>> I have read the manual and it does not really help me. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Bill >>>>> W3WGG >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: >>>> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >>>> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Yes its working well thank you for the advice!
> On Jun 30, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Yup, you are right. The manual clearly states that PB CTRL only affects CW and Data modes, and shifts the increment between 0.05 and .01 KHz. > It appears to be fixed at .1 KHz for SSB for both low and hi cut. Those increments work pretty well as is. > > 73, > Jack, W6FB > >> On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:44 PM, Michael Gillen <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Hmmm when I try that I get Shif=.05 however and when I turn VFO-A it says N/A and it still moves in .10 increments? >> >> >>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:55 PM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> PB CTRL should do what you want. See page 62 of the K3S manual. >>> >>> Jack, W6FB >>> >>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good info on the filters I had never tried the LO/HI CUT and I like it. One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG item I need to change? I looked through the CONFIG menus and Fred Cady’s book however I did not see anything about setting that step. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Michael >>>> KK6RWK >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations. The K3 is a really nice radio with extraordinary factory support. >>>>> >>>>> For SSB, I set low cut to .35 KHz and adjust the upper cut between 1.9 KHz and 2.8 KHz, depending on conditions. Higher makes for easier copy, but lower will eliminate more noise, and help with nearby stations. Remember, the crystal filters are to protect the AtoD converter in the receiver. The DSP has many useful settings between those of the installed filters. >>>>> >>>>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>>>> >>>>> On 6/30/18 at 5:07 PM, [hidden email] (Bill) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. >>>>>> Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? >>>>>> It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed >>>>>> I have read the manual and it does not really help me. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> W3WGG >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: >>>>> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >>>>> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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> One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only > steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG > item I need to change? Temporarily switch to Shift/Width and set Shift to a value that, when divided by two results in a value of X.X5. Now switch back to Hi/Lo ... those value will end in X.X5 and step in increments of X.10. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-06-30 10:31 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft wrote: > Good info on the filters I had never tried the LO/HI CUT and I like it. One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG item I need to change? I looked through the CONFIG menus and Fred Cady’s book however I did not see anything about setting that step. > > 73, > Michael > KK6RWK > > >> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Congratulations. The K3 is a really nice radio with extraordinary factory support. >> >> For SSB, I set low cut to .35 KHz and adjust the upper cut between 1.9 KHz and 2.8 KHz, depending on conditions. Higher makes for easier copy, but lower will eliminate more noise, and help with nearby stations. Remember, the crystal filters are to protect the AtoD converter in the receiver. The DSP has many useful settings between those of the installed filters. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> On 6/30/18 at 5:07 PM, [hidden email] (Bill) wrote: >> >>> I recently purchased a K3 and trying to set up for SSB.I do not do code. >>> Is there any recommended settings for the shift lo cut and width? >>> It has the KFL3A-400 and the KFL3A-12.8 8 pole filters installed >>> I have read the manual and it does not really help me. >>> Thanks >>> Bill >>> W3WGG >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: >> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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You don't have to do any math to do this. Just go to shift/width and change the width one click (either direction.). Then switch back to HiCut/LoCut. To reverse the process, do the same thing again. AB2TC - Knut Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote >> One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only >> steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG >> item I need to change? > Temporarily switch to Shift/Width and set Shift to a value that, > when divided by two results in a value of X.X5. Now switch back > to Hi/Lo ... those value will end in X.X5 and step in increments > of X.10. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > <snip> -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On SSB a change of 50Hz bandwidth is usually insignificant.
Those who are blessed with perfect pitch may differ when listening to a single tone, but for communications effectiveness, I just don't see the point. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2018 9:34 AM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi, > > You don't have to do any math to do this. Just go to shift/width and change > the width one click (either direction.). Then switch back to HiCut/LoCut. To > reverse the process, do the same thing again. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote >>> One question: On my K3S I cannot set the LO CUT to .35KHz it only >>> steps in .10 increments not 0.05 increments is there some CONFIG >>> item I need to change? >> Temporarily switch to Shift/Width and set Shift to a value that, >> when divided by two results in a value of X.X5. Now switch back >> to Hi/Lo ... those value will end in X.X5 and step in increments >> of X.10. Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Just as another observation... My Low Cut on SSB in Norm I is set to
0.015 by default. I can dial it UP by 0.1, 0.25, 0.35, etc. OR, if I dial it down to 0.05 as long as the starting point is above 0.05. Cannot dial in 0.05 from 0.00. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 30-Jun-18 23:31, Jack Brindle wrote: > Yup, you are right. The manual clearly states that PB CTRL only affects CW and Data modes, and shifts the increment between 0.05 and .01 KHz. > It appears to be fixed at .1 KHz for SSB for both low and hi cut. Those increments work pretty well as is. > > 73, > Jack, W6FB > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I don't have "perfect pitch", but do have extensive music experience if
that matters.... Single tone, single voice, or an orchestra.... 50Hz off freq. is enough to make me want to drill holes in my head. I can easily distinguish below 10 hz, and sometimes 5 Hz.... and my ears are damaged from years of rotary-wing flight/maintenance, small (and larger) arms reports. That said...when using Lo/High/Shift/Width, the 50Hz resolution is being used in a "relief from distractor" mode, so it is less of an issue, but there HAVE been times that I wished for a slightly finer resolution. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 01-Jul-18 08:40, Don Wilhelm wrote: > On SSB a change of 50Hz bandwidth is usually insignificant. > Those who are blessed with perfect pitch may differ when listening to > a single tone, but for communications effectiveness, I just don't see > the point. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Clay,
We are not talking about shifting the pitch of the signal by 50 Hz, we are talking about enlarging or restricting the pitch at only the low frequency end or the high frequency end by 50 Hz. The LowCut and HiCut controls are like the Bass and Treble controls on a car AM/FM radio. Think what would happen if your radio's Bass control were reduced by 100 Hz instead of 50 Hz - the difference is insignificant. Oh yes, the Bass and treble controls on that AM/FM radio are not calibrated for precise frequencies like the K3 HiCut/LoCut controls are, so we "use our ears" to determine what is best. We should do the same for the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2. There is no communications effectiveness for frequencies below 300 or 400 Hz (0.30 to 0.40) on the low cut side, and there is little voice recognition in that range. The effective range for voice recognition begins at about 500 Hz, and extends to about 2600 Hz. That is for recognizing the characteristics of a particular voice pattern we are familiar with. For communications effectiveness, we can reduce the listening range to 500 Hz to 1700 Hz and still communicate with clarity. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2018 10:20 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > I don't have "perfect pitch", but do have extensive music experience if > that matters.... > > Single tone, single voice, or an orchestra.... 50Hz off freq. is enough > to make me want to drill holes in my head. I can easily distinguish > below 10 hz, and sometimes 5 Hz.... and my ears are damaged from years > of rotary-wing flight/maintenance, small (and larger) arms reports. > > That said...when using Lo/High/Shift/Width, the 50Hz resolution is being > used in a "relief from distractor" mode, so it is less of an issue, but > there HAVE been times that I wished for a slightly finer resolution. Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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For most speech formants there is a gap above about 1000 hertz. If one is depending on only the F1 formant, then a cutoff of about 1000 hertz is appropriate. Another rule that applies is the 450,000 (or 500,000) rule. Multiply the highest frequency by the lowest frequency and the product should be one of those two numbers for a balanced response. So, if the upper cutoff is 1 KHz, then the lowest would be 500 hertz. Such a response is slicing the F1 formant which is typically 1 KHz wide.
Sent from my iPad > On Jul 1, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Clay, > > We are not talking about shifting the pitch of the signal by 50 Hz, we are talking about enlarging or restricting the pitch at only the low frequency end or the high frequency end by 50 Hz. > The LowCut and HiCut controls are like the Bass and Treble controls on a car AM/FM radio. Think what would happen if your radio's Bass control were reduced by 100 Hz instead of 50 Hz - the difference is insignificant. > > Oh yes, the Bass and treble controls on that AM/FM radio are not calibrated for precise frequencies like the K3 HiCut/LoCut controls are, so we "use our ears" to determine what is best. We should do the same for the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2. > > There is no communications effectiveness for frequencies below 300 or 400 Hz (0.30 to 0.40) on the low cut side, and there is little voice recognition in that range. The effective range for voice recognition begins at about 500 Hz, and extends to about 2600 Hz. That is for recognizing the characteristics of a particular voice pattern we are familiar with. For communications effectiveness, we can reduce the listening range to 500 Hz to 1700 Hz and still communicate with clarity. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/1/2018 10:20 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> I don't have "perfect pitch", but do have extensive music experience if that matters.... >> Single tone, single voice, or an orchestra.... 50Hz off freq. is enough to make me want to drill holes in my head. I can easily distinguish below 10 hz, and sometimes 5 Hz.... and my ears are damaged from years of rotary-wing flight/maintenance, small (and larger) arms reports. >> That said...when using Lo/High/Shift/Width, the 50Hz resolution is being used in a "relief from distractor" mode, so it is less of an issue, but there HAVE been times that I wished for a slightly finer resolution. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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