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Joseph McIntire

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Hello all,
I was looking for some older firmware for the K3. I found the latest on Elecraft's web site. But my radio currently has MCU1.96 and SYN 1.73. I didn't want to jump straight to the latest version due to if o e of the versions affected my radio adversely I would not know which one caused it. So I was wanting to find each individual version so I could load them as I want.i may want to stop before I get to the latest version. Thank you for listening to my rambling.

Joe AB3JN
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Firmware

Joe,

I cannot recall any instance where the firmware upgrade broke the K3 -
same for the KX3/KX2.
There have been a few who suspected a problem with a firmware upgrade,
but it turned out to be some other problem.

I would recommend that you simply upgrade to the latest and be done with it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/14/2020 9:28 AM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
> Hello all,
> I was looking for some older firmware for the K3. I found the latest on Elecraft's web site. But my radio currently has MCU1.96 and SYN 1.73. I didn't want to jump straight to the latest version due to if o e of the versions affected my radio adversely I would not know which one caused it. So I was wanting to find each individual version so I could load them as I want.i may want to stop before I get to the latest version. Thank you for listening to my rambling.
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Nr4c

Re: Firmware

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First thought is to just update to latest. Not too likely one will mess up your radio.

But.......

If you want to load intermediate versions, look in the BETA folders. A Beta version has the same version # as it’s ultimate production #.

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> On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Joseph McIntire <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I was looking for some older firmware for the K3. I found the latest on Elecraft's web site. But my radio currently has MCU1.96 and SYN 1.73. I didn't want to jump straight to the latest version due to if o e of the versions affected my radio adversely I would not know which one caused it. So I was wanting to find each individual version so I could load them as I want.i may want to stop before I get to the latest version. Thank you for listening to my rambling.
>
>
> Joe AB3JN
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Re: Firmware

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm

Quite so.

However, this sounds like a pretty old K3 that hasn't been blessed with
certain or any factory hardware mods which will have a bearing on
features available and detailed in the revised menu options.

At the very least the firmware release notes, which are presented in
historical detail with each firmware release, need to be read through.

Regards and good luck,

Mike VP8NO

On 14/06/2020 12:27, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I cannot recall any instance where the firmware upgrade broke the K3 -
> same for the KX3/KX2.
> There have been a few who suspected a problem with a firmware upgrade,
> but it turned out to be some other problem.
>
> I would recommend that you simply upgrade to the latest and be done with
> it.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/14/2020 9:28 AM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I was looking for some older firmware for the K3. I found the
>> latest on Elecraft's web site. But my radio currently has MCU1.96 and
>> SYN 1.73. I didn't want to jump straight to the latest version due
>> to if o e of the versions affected my radio adversely I would not
>> know which one caused it. So I was wanting to find each individual
>> version so I could load them as I want.i may want to stop before I
>> get to the latest version. Thank you for listening to my rambling.
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Firmware

To the best of my knowledge, there are no firmware upgrades that require
hardware changes. The firmware is written to figure out which version
to load - an example is the old and the new DSP board - but that was
long ago.

The converse is NOT true - some hardware changes require firmware
upgrades to make them functional.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/14/2020 1:21 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:

> Quite so.
>
> However, this sounds like a pretty old K3 that hasn't been blessed with
> certain or any factory hardware mods which will have a bearing on
> features available and detailed in the revised menu options.
>
> At the very least the firmware release notes, which are presented in
> historical detail with each firmware release, need to be read through.
>
> Regards and good luck,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
> On 14/06/2020 12:27, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> I cannot recall any instance where the firmware upgrade broke the K3 -
>> same for the KX3/KX2.
>> There have been a few who suspected a problem with a firmware upgrade,
>> but it turned out to be some other problem.
>>
>> I would recommend that you simply upgrade to the latest and be done
>> with it.
>>

Brian Hunt

Re: Firmware

In reply to this post by Joseph McIntire

The suggestion to read through the release notes is a good one. As I recall there was an update a while back that needed the TX GAIN CAL to be redone. It will be identified in the release notes. Good luck!
73,
Brian, K0DTJ
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Re: Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

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Hi Joe;
That is a HUGE jump! ( from 1.96 to 5.67. The oldest I have seen come in
was 1.30!!)
It is rare, but I have seen a glitch or two in extreme jumps.
One is the ADC REF gets set to an invalid voltage of 4.00 which is OUT
of RANGE!!
Also any saved configs you might load could be an issue if you re-load.

I can send you some in-between FW, but it is a LOT OF WORK and is NO
guarantee that glitch won't happen.
Is there some feature that you are specifically avoiding??
If you don't go with the latest, the Manual etc will not match, nor
would any discussion with CS or other folks that are current.
Reading the release notes is an excellent idea if you want to look for
something specific, or ask me or CS.

I *HIGHLY* recommend loading the latest FW and then after do a
"Parameter RESET", (EE-INIT-ialization), and then setup and calibrate
from SCRATCH.
(IE don't load an old config).
**That is what I do in repairs (after checking with customer) for such a
large jump in FW.
Also, that old of a radio will need gold pins and MANY hardware updates,
feel free to send it in so I can get my hands on it, hi hi!
Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech

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Joseph McIntire

Re: Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

Yes that is what happened I just loaded the latest FW the mcu and FPF firmware update went well but when it loaded the DSP when it restarted the radio for some reason it didn't recognize the 2.88 version it had just installed. You know question marks ??.?? For the installed version for the DSP. The others look ok. And I get the ERR AT3. I have not searched yet for other trouble codes. I am at work right now. I will look at it again when I get home. I have been going through the release notes but there is a lot to go through. I will look into the parameter reset also. I will let you know how it goes.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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Hi Joe;
That is a HUGE jump! ( from 1.96 to 5.67. The oldest I have seen come in
was 1.30!!)
It is rare, but I have seen a glitch or two in extreme jumps.
One is the ADC REF gets set to an invalid voltage of 4.00 which is OUT
of RANGE!!
Also any saved configs you might load could be an issue if you re-load.

I can send you some in-between FW, but it is a LOT OF WORK and is NO
guarantee that glitch won't happen.
Is there some feature that you are specifically avoiding??
If you don't go with the latest, the Manual etc will not match, nor
would any discussion with CS or other folks that are current.
Reading the release notes is an excellent idea if you want to look for
something specific, or ask me or CS.

I *HIGHLY* recommend loading the latest FW and then after do a
"Parameter RESET", (EE-INIT-ialization), and then setup and calibrate
from SCRATCH.
(IE don't load an old config).
**That is what I do in repairs (after checking with customer) for such a
large jump in FW.
Also, that old of a radio will need gold pins and MANY hardware updates,
feel free to send it in so I can get my hands on it, hi hi!
Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech

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Re: Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

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At this point, I would do the reset, then set RS232 to 38400 to continue
on with the DSP load. (reset puts it at 4800 which is SLOW).
Then Reset again after FP & DSP have loaded, if you have a sub, you will
have to turn it on in config menu, then cycle power, then load DSP2.
Then a reset again after all FW is loaded.
Then you will have to setup filters, options and do the TX gain cal.
The K3 kit build manual has all of that. It will give you confidence
you have a clean start.
Let us know ...
Don't forget to do a new configuration save when it is all setup!!
(should you ever have to "go back").
Keith WE6R Elecraft Tech.

On 6/15/2020 12:07 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:

> Yes that is what happened I just loaded the latest FW the mcu and
> FPF firmware update went well but when it loaded the DSP when it
> restarted the radio for some reason it didn't recognize the 2.88
> version it had just installed. You know question marks ??.?? For the
> installed version for the DSP. The others look ok. And I get the
> ERR AT3. I have not searched yet for other trouble codes. I am at
> work right now. I will look at it again when I get home. I have
> been going through the release notes but there is a lot to go
> through. I will look into the parameter reset also. I will let you
> know how it goes.
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 1:54:34 PM
> *To:* [hidden email] <[hidden email]>;
> [hidden email] <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> <[hidden email]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN
> Hi Joe;
> That is a HUGE jump! ( from 1.96 to 5.67. The oldest I have seen come in
> was 1.30!!)
> It is rare, but I have seen a glitch or two in extreme jumps.
> One is the ADC REF gets set to an invalid voltage of 4.00 which is OUT
> of RANGE!!
> Also any saved configs you might load could be an issue if you re-load.
>
> I can send you some in-between FW, but it is a LOT OF WORK and is NO
> guarantee that glitch won't happen.
> Is there some feature that you are specifically avoiding??
> If you don't go with the latest, the Manual etc will not match, nor
> would any discussion with CS or other folks that are current.
> Reading the release notes is an excellent idea if you want to look for
> something specific, or ask me or CS.
>
> I *HIGHLY* recommend loading the latest FW and then after do a
> "Parameter RESET", (EE-INIT-ialization), and then setup and calibrate
> from SCRATCH.
> (IE don't load an old config).
> **That is what I do in repairs (after checking with customer) for such a
> large jump in FW.
> Also, that old of a radio will need gold pins and MANY hardware updates,
> feel free to send it in so I can get my hands on it, hi hi!
> Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech
>
>

Joseph McIntire

Re: Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

Ok wel will do that. I do not have the sub receiver so that makes it a little easier. I still have all the original paper work and manuals. I was going to print the latest manuals tonight. I know that there's options in there I don't have but most the functions updated by firmware should be in there. Thank you for your assistance

Joe AB3JN

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To: Joseph McIntire <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

At this point, I would do the reset, then set RS232 to 38400 to continue on with the DSP load. (reset puts it at 4800 which is SLOW).
Then Reset again after FP & DSP have loaded, if you have a sub, you will have to turn it on in config menu, then cycle power, then load DSP2.
Then a reset again after all FW is loaded.
Then you will have to setup filters, options and do the TX gain cal.
The K3 kit build manual has all of that. It will give you confidence you have a clean start.
Let us know ...
Don't forget to do a new configuration save when it is all setup!! (should you ever have to "go back").
Keith WE6R Elecraft Tech.

On 6/15/2020 12:07 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
Yes that is what happened I just loaded the latest FW the mcu and FPF firmware update went well but when it loaded the DSP when it restarted the radio for some reason it didn't recognize the 2.88 version it had just installed. You know question marks ??.?? For the installed version for the DSP. The others look ok. And I get the ERR AT3. I have not searched yet for other trouble codes. I am at work right now. I will look at it again when I get home. I have been going through the release notes but there is a lot to go through. I will look into the parameter reset also. I will let you know how it goes.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

Hi Joe;
That is a HUGE jump! ( from 1.96 to 5.67. The oldest I have seen come in
was 1.30!!)
It is rare, but I have seen a glitch or two in extreme jumps.
One is the ADC REF gets set to an invalid voltage of 4.00 which is OUT
of RANGE!!
Also any saved configs you might load could be an issue if you re-load.

I can send you some in-between FW, but it is a LOT OF WORK and is NO
guarantee that glitch won't happen.
Is there some feature that you are specifically avoiding??
If you don't go with the latest, the Manual etc will not match, nor
would any discussion with CS or other folks that are current.
Reading the release notes is an excellent idea if you want to look for
something specific, or ask me or CS.

I *HIGHLY* recommend loading the latest FW and then after do a
"Parameter RESET", (EE-INIT-ialization), and then setup and calibrate
from SCRATCH.
(IE don't load an old config).
**That is what I do in repairs (after checking with customer) for such a
large jump in FW.
Also, that old of a radio will need gold pins and MANY hardware updates,
feel free to send it in so I can get my hands on it, hi hi!
Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech

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Re: Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

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Also we suggest setting the K3 Utility to the ADVANCED mode for more
control.
Keith WE6R

On 6/15/2020 12:27 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:

> Ok wel will do that. I do not have the sub receiver so that makes it
> a little easier. I still have all the original paper work and
> manuals. I was going to print the latest manuals tonight. I know
> that there's options in there I don't have but most the functions
> updated by firmware should be in there. Thank you for your assistance
>
> Joe AB3JN
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 2:19:54 PM
> *To:* Joseph McIntire <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN
> At this point, I would do the reset, then set RS232 to 38400 to
> continue on with the DSP load. (reset puts it at 4800 which is SLOW).
> Then Reset again after FP & DSP have loaded, if you have a sub, you
> will have to turn it on in config menu, then cycle power, then load DSP2.
> Then a reset again after all FW is loaded.
> Then you will have to setup filters, options and do the TX gain cal.
> The K3 kit build manual has all of that. It will give you confidence
> you have a clean start.
> Let us know ...
> Don't forget to do a new configuration save when it is all setup!!
> (should you ever have to "go back").
> Keith WE6R Elecraft Tech.
>
> On 6/15/2020 12:07 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
>> Yes that is what happened I just loaded the latest FW the mcu and
>> FPF firmware update went well but when it loaded the DSP when it
>> restarted the radio for some reason it didn't recognize the 2.88
>> version it had just installed. You know question marks ??.?? For
>> the installed version for the DSP. The others look ok. And I get
>> the ERR AT3. I have not searched yet for other trouble codes. I am
>> at work right now. I will look at it again when I get home. I
>> have been going through the release notes but there is a lot to
>> go through. I will look into the parameter reset also. I will let
>> you know how it goes.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 1:54:34 PM
>> *To:* [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>;
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]>
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]>
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN
>> Hi Joe;
>> That is a HUGE jump! ( from 1.96 to 5.67. The oldest I have seen come in
>> was 1.30!!)
>> It is rare, but I have seen a glitch or two in extreme jumps.
>> One is the ADC REF gets set to an invalid voltage of 4.00 which is OUT
>> of RANGE!!
>> Also any saved configs you might load could be an issue if you re-load.
>>
>> I can send you some in-between FW, but it is a LOT OF WORK and is NO
>> guarantee that glitch won't happen.
>> Is there some feature that you are specifically avoiding??
>> If you don't go with the latest, the Manual etc will not match, nor
>> would any discussion with CS or other folks that are current.
>> Reading the release notes is an excellent idea if you want to look for
>> something specific, or ask me or CS.
>>
>> I *HIGHLY* recommend loading the latest FW and then after do a
>> "Parameter RESET", (EE-INIT-ialization), and then setup and calibrate
>> from SCRATCH.
>> (IE don't load an old config).
>> **That is what I do in repairs (after checking with customer) for such a
>> large jump in FW.
>> Also, that old of a radio will need gold pins and MANY hardware updates,
>> feel free to send it in so I can get my hands on it, hi hi!
>> Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech
>>
>>
>

Joseph McIntire

Re: Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

Ok will do. Question though. It is calling it the high power or 50 watt TX gain calibration. Turn off the ATU if you have one. I don't wish I did. But anyway select each band go to tune and verify 50 watts out. Ok I had 50 watts on each. But have not seen in the manual where you would adjust anything if it wasn't. To me thT verifing not calibrating. I also seen on the K3 utility under the calibration tab there is a button for that but it was grayed out and couldn't be selected. How does it work. I have not seen any instructions for doing it that way.

Joe AB3JN

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Also we suggest setting the K3 Utility to the ADVANCED mode for more control.
Keith WE6R

On 6/15/2020 12:27 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
Ok wel will do that. I do not have the sub receiver so that makes it a little easier. I still have all the original paper work and manuals. I was going to print the latest manuals tonight. I know that there's options in there I don't have but most the functions updated by firmware should be in there. Thank you for your assistance

Joe AB3JN

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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To: Joseph McIntire <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

At this point, I would do the reset, then set RS232 to 38400 to continue on with the DSP load. (reset puts it at 4800 which is SLOW).
Then Reset again after FP & DSP have loaded, if you have a sub, you will have to turn it on in config menu, then cycle power, then load DSP2.
Then a reset again after all FW is loaded.
Then you will have to setup filters, options and do the TX gain cal.
The K3 kit build manual has all of that. It will give you confidence you have a clean start.
Let us know ...
Don't forget to do a new configuration save when it is all setup!! (should you ever have to "go back").
Keith WE6R Elecraft Tech.

On 6/15/2020 12:07 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
Yes that is what happened I just loaded the latest FW the mcu and FPF firmware update went well but when it loaded the DSP when it restarted the radio for some reason it didn't recognize the 2.88 version it had just installed. You know question marks ??.?? For the installed version for the DSP. The others look ok. And I get the ERR AT3. I have not searched yet for other trouble codes. I am at work right now. I will look at it again when I get home. I have been going through the release notes but there is a lot to go through. I will look into the parameter reset also. I will let you know how it goes.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

Hi Joe;
That is a HUGE jump! ( from 1.96 to 5.67. The oldest I have seen come in
was 1.30!!)
It is rare, but I have seen a glitch or two in extreme jumps.
One is the ADC REF gets set to an invalid voltage of 4.00 which is OUT
of RANGE!!
Also any saved configs you might load could be an issue if you re-load.

I can send you some in-between FW, but it is a LOT OF WORK and is NO
guarantee that glitch won't happen.
Is there some feature that you are specifically avoiding??
If you don't go with the latest, the Manual etc will not match, nor
would any discussion with CS or other folks that are current.
Reading the release notes is an excellent idea if you want to look for
something specific, or ask me or CS.

I *HIGHLY* recommend loading the latest FW and then after do a
"Parameter RESET", (EE-INIT-ialization), and then setup and calibrate
from SCRATCH.
(IE don't load an old config).
**That is what I do in repairs (after checking with customer) for such a
large jump in FW.
Also, that old of a radio will need gold pins and MANY hardware updates,
feel free to send it in so I can get my hands on it, hi hi!
Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech

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Re: Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

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You must go into the config menu, set KPA3 to "nor" then cycle power.
Then connect to the utility and the 50w should be available to run from
there.
Set KXV3 to nor also, cycle power, then you can use the Utility to run
the MW test too.
Looks like you DID do the 50 manually and the TXGN number most likely
changed, (see next sentence). (The MW and 5w need to be run too).
You can do all the gain cals manually but the Utility is soo much
easier. Manually you make sure TUN PWR is nor, then set power to 50w
EXACTLY, (or 5w for the low cal), then long press XMIT and let it send a
carrier for several seconds. You will see the TXGN number change from
the default 10 to something (although 10 is a valid number too, just the
default and should not be 10 on all bands). For MW, set KXV3 to "test"
and set to 1.0mw exactly and TUNE for several seconds) DON'T FORGET TO
TAKE IT OUT OF TEST, HI HI, there is NO indication and it will confound
you, been there, ha ha.
Then Never, ever, EVER set your tx power to *exactly* 5watts, 50watts or
1.0MW ever again because you can inadvertently re-do the tx gain cal and
if not into a flat dummy load, you can get it all fouled up.
Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech.

On 6/15/2020 1:33 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:

> Ok will do. Question though. It is calling it the high power or 50
> watt TX gain calibration. Turn off the ATU if you have one. I don't
> wish I did. But anyway select each band go to tune and verify 50
> watts out. Ok I had 50 watts on each. But have not seen in the manual
> where you would adjust anything if it wasn't. To me thT verifing not
> calibrating. I also seen on the K3 utility under the calibration tab
> there is a button for that but it was grayed out and couldn't be
> selected. How does it work. I have not seen any instructions for doing
> it that way.
>
> Joe AB3JN
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 2:30:06 PM
> *To:* Joseph McIntire <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN
> Also we suggest setting the K3 Utility to the ADVANCED mode for more
> control.
> Keith WE6R
>
> On 6/15/2020 12:27 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
>> Ok wel will do that. I do not have the sub receiver so that makes it
>> a little easier. I still have all the original paper work and
>> manuals. I was going to print the latest manuals tonight. I know
>> that there's options in there I don't have but most the functions
>> updated by firmware should be in there. Thank you for your assistance
>>
>> Joe AB3JN
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 2:19:54 PM
>> *To:* Joseph McIntire <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>;
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>;
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN
>> At this point, I would do the reset, then set RS232 to 38400 to
>> continue on with the DSP load. (reset puts it at 4800 which is SLOW).
>> Then Reset again after FP & DSP have loaded, if you have a sub, you
>> will have to turn it on in config menu, then cycle power, then load
>> DSP2.
>> Then a reset again after all FW is loaded.
>> Then you will have to setup filters, options and do the TX gain cal.
>> The K3 kit build manual has all of that. It will give you confidence
>> you have a clean start.
>> Let us know ...
>> Don't forget to do a new configuration save when it is all setup!!
>> (should you ever have to "go back").
>> Keith WE6R Elecraft Tech.
>>
>> On 6/15/2020 12:07 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
>>> Yes that is what happened I just loaded the latest FW the mcu
>>> and FPF firmware update went well but when it loaded the DSP when
>>> it restarted the radio for some reason it didn't recognize the
>>> 2.88 version it had just installed. You know question marks ??.??
>>> For the installed version for the DSP. The others look ok. And I
>>> get the ERR AT3. I have not searched yet for other trouble codes.
>>> I am at work right now. I will look at it again when I get home.
>>> I have been going through the release notes but there is a lot
>>> to go through. I will look into the parameter reset also. I
>>> will let you know how it goes.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 1:54:34 PM
>>> *To:* [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>;
>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]>
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]>
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN
>>> Hi Joe;
>>> That is a HUGE jump! ( from 1.96 to 5.67. The oldest I have seen
>>> come in
>>> was 1.30!!)
>>> It is rare, but I have seen a glitch or two in extreme jumps.
>>> One is the ADC REF gets set to an invalid voltage of 4.00 which is OUT
>>> of RANGE!!
>>> Also any saved configs you might load could be an issue if you re-load.
>>>
>>> I can send you some in-between FW, but it is a LOT OF WORK and is NO
>>> guarantee that glitch won't happen.
>>> Is there some feature that you are specifically avoiding??
>>> If you don't go with the latest, the Manual etc will not match, nor
>>> would any discussion with CS or other folks that are current.
>>> Reading the release notes is an excellent idea if you want to look for
>>> something specific, or ask me or CS.
>>>
>>> I *HIGHLY* recommend loading the latest FW and then after do a
>>> "Parameter RESET", (EE-INIT-ialization), and then setup and calibrate
>>> from SCRATCH.
>>> (IE don't load an old config).
>>> **That is what I do in repairs (after checking with customer) for
>>> such a
>>> large jump in FW.
>>> Also, that old of a radio will need gold pins and MANY hardware
>>> updates,
>>> feel free to send it in so I can get my hands on it, hi hi!
>>> Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Joseph McIntire

Re: Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

Ok i have two transverse that I put together a 144 MHz and a 50 MHz the 144 I finished think 2009 did the cals but if I remember correctly when I tried testing it when I keyed up it was like I got a carrier or something I had a hand held in the shack and I could here it key but did not get any audio. The six meter my father in law started and he passed so we picked it all up and put it in a box. And i recently finished it but have not got to do the calibration procedures or test it yet.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:50:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

You must go into the config menu, set KPA3 to "nor" then cycle power. Then connect to the utility and the 50w should be available to run from there.
Set KXV3 to nor also, cycle power, then you can use the Utility to run the MW test too.
Looks like you DID do the 50 manually and the TXGN number most likely changed, (see next sentence). (The MW and 5w need to be run too).
You can do all the gain cals manually but the Utility is soo much easier. Manually you make sure TUN PWR is nor, then set power to 50w EXACTLY, (or 5w for the low cal), then long press XMIT and let it send a carrier for several seconds. You will see the TXGN number change from the default 10 to something (although 10 is a valid number too, just the default and should not be 10 on all bands). For MW, set KXV3 to "test" and set to 1.0mw exactly and TUNE for several seconds) DON'T FORGET TO TAKE IT OUT OF TEST, HI HI, there is NO indication and it will confound you, been there, ha ha.
Then Never, ever, EVER set your tx power to *exactly* 5watts, 50watts or 1.0MW ever again because you can inadvertently re-do the tx gain cal and if not into a flat dummy load, you can get it all fouled up.
Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech.

On 6/15/2020 1:33 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
Ok will do. Question though. It is calling it the high power or 50 watt TX gain calibration. Turn off the ATU if you have one. I don't wish I did. But anyway select each band go to tune and verify 50 watts out. Ok I had 50 watts on each. But have not seen in the manual where you would adjust anything if it wasn't. To me thT verifing not calibrating. I also seen on the K3 utility under the calibration tab there is a button for that but it was grayed out and couldn't be selected. How does it work. I have not seen any instructions for doing it that way.

Joe AB3JN

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

________________________________
From: Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:30:06 PM
To: Joseph McIntire <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

Also we suggest setting the K3 Utility to the ADVANCED mode for more control.
Keith WE6R

On 6/15/2020 12:27 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
Ok wel will do that. I do not have the sub receiver so that makes it a little easier. I still have all the original paper work and manuals. I was going to print the latest manuals tonight. I know that there's options in there I don't have but most the functions updated by firmware should be in there. Thank you for your assistance

Joe AB3JN

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

________________________________
From: Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:19:54 PM
To: Joseph McIntire <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

At this point, I would do the reset, then set RS232 to 38400 to continue on with the DSP load. (reset puts it at 4800 which is SLOW).
Then Reset again after FP & DSP have loaded, if you have a sub, you will have to turn it on in config menu, then cycle power, then load DSP2.
Then a reset again after all FW is loaded.
Then you will have to setup filters, options and do the TX gain cal.
The K3 kit build manual has all of that. It will give you confidence you have a clean start.
Let us know ...
Don't forget to do a new configuration save when it is all setup!! (should you ever have to "go back").
Keith WE6R Elecraft Tech.

On 6/15/2020 12:07 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
Yes that is what happened I just loaded the latest FW the mcu and FPF firmware update went well but when it loaded the DSP when it restarted the radio for some reason it didn't recognize the 2.88 version it had just installed. You know question marks ??.?? For the installed version for the DSP. The others look ok. And I get the ERR AT3. I have not searched yet for other trouble codes. I am at work right now. I will look at it again when I get home. I have been going through the release notes but there is a lot to go through. I will look into the parameter reset also. I will let you know how it goes.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

________________________________
From: Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:54:34 PM
To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]><mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware, K3, large jump AB3JN

Hi Joe;
That is a HUGE jump! ( from 1.96 to 5.67. The oldest I have seen come in
was 1.30!!)
It is rare, but I have seen a glitch or two in extreme jumps.
One is the ADC REF gets set to an invalid voltage of 4.00 which is OUT
of RANGE!!
Also any saved configs you might load could be an issue if you re-load.

I can send you some in-between FW, but it is a LOT OF WORK and is NO
guarantee that glitch won't happen.
Is there some feature that you are specifically avoiding??
If you don't go with the latest, the Manual etc will not match, nor
would any discussion with CS or other folks that are current.
Reading the release notes is an excellent idea if you want to look for
something specific, or ask me or CS.

I *HIGHLY* recommend loading the latest FW and then after do a
"Parameter RESET", (EE-INIT-ialization), and then setup and calibrate
from SCRATCH.
(IE don't load an old config).
**That is what I do in repairs (after checking with customer) for such a
large jump in FW.
Also, that old of a radio will need gold pins and MANY hardware updates,
feel free to send it in so I can get my hands on it, hi hi!
Keith WE6R, Elecraft K3 Tech

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