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Good to know, I will order one when we will be able to place the on-line order for the P3. 73's Philippe A65BI K3#3616 *Elecraft, by Hams, for Hams...What else ? >>> "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[hidden email]> 17-02-2010 22:05 >>> your K3 will need to have the KXV3 or KXV3a for IF output. Its not included with the P3 since most K3s already have added it. I/Q is not available as an output. That would seriously delay the P3 release and add to our cost. Its not a trivial add since its only derived internally in the DSPPIC that drives the P3. We may be able to add it as a future option. Stay tuned! 73, Eric On 2/17/2010 9:28 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote: > Eric, > > That's good but two questions... > > 1) If you purchase a P3, do you also have to purchase a KXV3A or will > one be included? > > 2) In addition to the buffered K3 IF feedthrough, will the inphase (I) > and quadrature (Q) audio components of the downshifted IF be provided as > an additional output (ala LP-PAN)? > > Thanks! > > Ted, W2ZK Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Further to Julian's & others' comments about CW Skimmer removing the
need to tune the band, a skilled part of the operating experience which is enjoyable to many [but not all!] of us: My friend is hot to write a software layer which will sit on top of CW Skimmer and which will win contests -- entirely on its own. Put another way, it is the next logical step after the PDP-7 program which did QSOs on its own, described in this thread. The amateur will just point my friend's software at a contest , hit start, and leave the shack. I know just enough about artificial intelligence and expert systems to believe that he very possibly can do it. Then what? Will we still enjoy contesting, knowing that computers will win every one? Maybe. Deep Blue - the IBM parallel processor - beat Garry Kasparov, but people still like chess. But do the Chess Masters [ the counterparts of the contest high-scorers] still like it as much as they did before Deep Blue? I haven't a clue, but somehow I doubt it. Will we outlaw it, like ARRL may or may not do with CW SKimmer? Will it make any difference? eric, feeling uneasy, and looking back wistfully to the days of Spark Gap VA7DZ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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>Will we outlaw it, like ARRL may or may not do with CW Skimmer? For the 2009 California QSO party, you were not allowed to claim Single Operator (SO) status if you used CW Skimmer. It is considered outside assistance that gives the operator an unfair advantage. I agree, except that I hope they don't discourage using the K3 using the same logic! 73, Fred, AE6IC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Will somebody explain to me how it is "outside" assistance any more than
a big antenna farm or a smart radio? No person is providing help--unlike packet cluster. RTTY and PSK contests all use the same kind of "outside" assistance. Yet they are allowed to enter as single op. Perhaps people need to recognized that CW is a digital mode too. Why don't we encourage the use of new technology rather than trying to still hold the Olympics in the nude with sticks and stones as the technology? 73 de Brian/K3KO Fred Atchley wrote: > Eric wrote: > >> Will we outlaw it, like ARRL may or may not do with CW Skimmer? > > For the 2009 California QSO party, you were not allowed to claim Single > Operator (SO) status if you used CW Skimmer. > > It is considered outside assistance that gives the operator an unfair > advantage. > > I agree, except that I hope they don't discourage using the K3 using the > same logic! > > 73, Fred, AE6IC > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Brian
Are you implying that some of us operate contest while nude? Discusting! Steve N4LQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Alsop" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes > Will somebody explain to me how it is "outside" assistance any more than > a big antenna farm or a smart radio? No person is providing > help--unlike packet cluster. > > RTTY and PSK contests all use the same kind of "outside" assistance. Yet > they are allowed to enter as single op. Perhaps people need to > recognized that CW is a digital mode too. > > Why don't we encourage the use of new technology rather than trying to > still hold the Olympics in the nude with sticks and stones as the > technology? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > Fred Atchley wrote: >> Eric wrote: >> >>> Will we outlaw it, like ARRL may or may not do with CW Skimmer? >> >> For the 2009 California QSO party, you were not allowed to claim Single >> Operator (SO) status if you used CW Skimmer. >> >> It is considered outside assistance that gives the operator an unfair >> advantage. >> >> I agree, except that I hope they don't discourage using the K3 using the >> same logic! >> >> 73, Fred, AE6IC >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2695 - Release Date: 02/18/10 02:34:00 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have to assume that the folks that don't like the idea of CW Skimmer have never done any psk-31.
For some reason, using SuperBrowser for PSK is ok, but Skimmer is not? It doesn't make any sense at all, at least in general. CW Skimmer gives us the capability to see multiple stations on the screen, just as we have been able to with PSK for quite a while. I like CW, and software like CW Skimmer allows CW to equal PSK in convenience. Or do we just want everyone switching to PSK, and leave CW for the history books? I realize that many run CW without a computer, and it may be an unfair advantage, but then so is an antenna up 100ft with a 1500W amp competing against a poor ham with a dipole and 100W. The hams with the megabucks have the advantage no matter what. :>) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RTTY and PSK contests all use the same kind of "outside" assistance. Yet they are allowed to enter as single op. Perhaps people need to recognized that CW is a digital mode too. 73 de Brian/K3KO ...................................................................................................... |
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On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:16:24 +0000, Brian/K3KO wrote:
>Why don't we encourage the use of new technology rather than trying to >still hold the Olympics in the nude with sticks and stones as the >technology? > Actually, nude stone age olympics would probably be a lot more interesting... Guess I feel the same way about CW. However, even though I often use a paper log and straight key I generally keep my clothes on in front of the rig... 73, Drew AF2Z ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Well watching the Nude Olympics would be a pretty good event this
year, have you checked out some of the gals in the ski and snow boarding events? Take ones mind of off P3 and K3 rubbish talk for a while at least. Merv KH7C > Brian > Are you implying that some of us operate contest while nude? Discusting! > Steve > N4LQ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Alsop" <[hidden email]> > Cc: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes > > > >> Will somebody explain to me how it is "outside" assistance any more than >> a big antenna farm or a smart radio? No person is providing >> help--unlike packet cluster. >> >> RTTY and PSK contests all use the same kind of "outside" assistance. Yet >> they are allowed to enter as single op. Perhaps people need to >> recognized that CW is a digital mode too. >> >> Why don't we encourage the use of new technology rather than trying to >> still hold the Olympics in the nude with sticks and stones as the >> technology? >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> Fred Atchley wrote: >> >>> Eric wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Will we outlaw it, like ARRL may or may not do with CW Skimmer? >>>> >>> For the 2009 California QSO party, you were not allowed to claim Single >>> Operator (SO) status if you used CW Skimmer. >>> >>> It is considered outside assistance that gives the operator an unfair >>> advantage. >>> >>> I agree, except that I hope they don't discourage using the K3 using the >>> same logic! >>> >>> 73, Fred, AE6IC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2695 - Release Date: 02/18/10 > 02:34:00 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> Well watching the Nude Olympics would be a pretty good event > this year, have you checked out some of the gals in the ski > and snow boarding events? If one returned to the "nude with sticks" era of the Olympics, the women would not be permitted to participate or even attend. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Merv Schweigert > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:21 PM > To: Steve Ellington > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes > > > Well watching the Nude Olympics would be a pretty good event > this year, have you checked out some of the gals in the ski > and snow boarding events? > Take ones mind of off P3 and K3 rubbish talk for a while at > least. Merv KH7C > > Brian > > Are you implying that some of us operate contest while nude? > > Discusting! Steve N4LQ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Alsop" <[hidden email]> > > Cc: <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes > > > > > > > >> Will somebody explain to me how it is "outside" assistance > any more > >> than a big antenna farm or a smart radio? No person is providing > >> help--unlike packet cluster. > >> > >> RTTY and PSK contests all use the same kind of "outside" > assistance. > >> Yet they are allowed to enter as single op. Perhaps people need to > >> recognized that CW is a digital mode too. > >> > >> Why don't we encourage the use of new technology rather > than trying > >> to still hold the Olympics in the nude with sticks and > stones as the > >> technology? > >> > >> 73 de Brian/K3KO > >> > >> Fred Atchley wrote: > >> > >>> Eric wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Will we outlaw it, like ARRL may or may not do with CW Skimmer? > >>>> > >>> For the 2009 California QSO party, you were not allowed to claim > >>> Single Operator (SO) status if you used CW Skimmer. > >>> > >>> It is considered outside assistance that gives the operator an > >>> unfair advantage. > >>> > >>> I agree, except that I hope they don't discourage using > the K3 using > >>> the same logic! > >>> > >>> 73, Fred, AE6IC > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2695 - Release Date: > > 02/18/10 > > 02:34:00 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Brian Alsop wrote:
> >Why don't we encourage the use of new technology rather than trying to >still hold the Olympics in the nude with sticks and stones as the >technology? > For exactly the same reasons that we recognise running, cycling, horse riding and motor racing as completely separate events. In sport, nobody has the slightest difficulty understanding why. What's different about amateur radio? -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I'm sure it could be done, and I'm sure the programmer who wrote it could justifiably feel satisfaction at the results he got, because for sure he would have put a lot of effort into creating it. The question is whether those who simply downloaded his program and used it would have their enjoyment if the hobby and sense of achievement enhanced by so doing?
I think the fishing analogy is an apt one. No-one would advocate going back to using a stick and a bit of string (although some in this thread seem to be suggesting an equivalent of it) but surely it is undeniable that a radar that could let you see where all the fish are would remove the sporting element of fishing? Isn't ham radio like sport fishing, something done for the pleasure and skill of it? I get the feeling that for some people it has become more like commercial fishing and anything that can maximize your "catch" is good. Different strokes for different folks, I know. But I wish I could understand what they get out of it.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Julian,
PMFJI (Pardon me for jumping in): I think, more accurately, the analogy might be the difference between a "hook-and-line" fisherman and someone trolling with a net and crane. Except the net and crane still have human interaction... {'-) Regards, kurtt Kurt Pawlikowski, AKA WB9FMC The Pinrod Corporation [hidden email] (773) 284-9500 http://pinrod.com Julian, G4ILO wrote: > I'm sure it could be done, and I'm sure the programmer who wrote it could > justifiably feel satisfaction at the results he got, because for sure he > would have put a lot of effort into creating it. The question is whether > those who simply downloaded his program and used it would have their > enjoyment if the hobby and sense of achievement enhanced by so doing? > > I think the fishing analogy is an apt one. No-one would advocate going back > to using a stick and a bit of string (although some in this thread seem to > be suggesting an equivalent of it) but surely it is undeniable that a radar > that could let you see where all the fish are would remove the sporting > element of fishing? > > Isn't ham radio like sport fishing, something done for the pleasure and > skill of it? I get the feeling that for some people it has become more like > commercial fishing and anything that can maximize your "catch" is good. > > Different strokes for different folks, I know. But I wish I could understand > what they get out of it. > > > Eric Manning wrote: > >> Further to Julian's & others' comments about CW Skimmer removing the >> need to tune the band, >> a skilled part of the operating experience which is enjoyable to many >> [but not all!] of us: >> >> My friend is hot to write a software layer which will sit on top of CW >> Skimmer and which will >> win contests -- entirely on its own. >> >> Put another way, it is the next logical step after the PDP-7 program which >> did QSOs on its own, described in this thread. >> >> The amateur will just point my friend's software at a contest , hit >> start, and leave the shack. >> >> I know just enough about artificial intelligence and expert systems to >> believe that >> he very possibly can do it. Then what? >> >> > > > ----- > Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. > * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com > * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html > * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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"Although I operate almost entirely in CW my bandpass is typically set wide open. However, this is effectively only about 2 KHz max, which is not nearly wide enough when you want to hear what is going on around you on the band." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I concur with this statement. I am used to using my ears as a band scope, and the K3 with the 2 KHz bandwidth limit in the CW mode sometimes makes me feel like I have blinders on. This limit is not present in the Data mode, so it is hard to understand why it is necessary in CW mode. Still a great, versatile radio, but with a curious limitation. Dean |
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Then listen in SSB mode.
If you use the following, it's easy enough to change mode to CW if you hear something interesting: * AUTOMATIC CW VFO OFFSET ON MODE CHANGE: Allows switching quickly between SSB and CW mode without either you or the other station having to re-tune the VFO (often done on 6 meters and transverter bands). First, locate CONFIG:CW WGHT and tap ‘5’ on the keypad until you see “VFO OFS”. From then on, when switching to CW mode from any other mode, the VFO will be offset by an amount equal to your sidetone pitch (as set using the PITCH switch in CW mode). If the sideband most recently used on this band is USB, the VFO will be shifted UP; if it was LSB, the VFO will be shifted DOWN. Note: If you make frequent use of this feature, you may want to use CW reverse on bands where you use USB, and CW normal on bands where you use LSB. This results in perfect pitch matching when listening to a CW signal and switching from SSB to CW. --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Dean45 <[hidden email]> wrote: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< "Although I operate almost entirely in CW my bandpass is typically set wide open. However, this is effectively only about 2 KHz max, which is not nearly wide enough when you want to hear what is going on around you on the band." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I concur with this statement. I am used to using my ears as a band scope, and the K3 with the 2 KHz bandwidth limit in the CW mode sometimes makes me feel like I have blinders on. This limit is not present in the Data mode, so it is hard to understand why it is necessary in CW mode. Still a great, versatile radio, but with a curious limitation. Dean ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> For exactly the same reasons that we recognise running, > cycling, horse riding and motor racing as completely > separate events. ... and radiosport has CW, RTTY and phone contests. Everybody understands the difference. The question is why the CW snobs insist that everyone must use low compression, flat head, four cylinder engines and not allow multiple valve, fuel injected and/or turbo charged technology. Every other form of computer assistance - SCP, computer and/or memory keyers, band maps, computer logging, history databases - is all fair game. 30 years ago those were all functions of a second operator but now they're no longer "assistance." There should be no difference with CW copying technology as long as it is located within the station's own boundaries. Technology moves forward - else we would all be using spark ("Thor's transmitter"). 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian > White GM3SEK > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 3:11 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes > > > Brian Alsop wrote: > > > >Why don't we encourage the use of new technology rather than > trying to > >still hold the Olympics in the nude with sticks and stones as the > >technology? > > > > For exactly the same reasons that we recognise running, > cycling, horse > riding and motor racing as completely separate events. In > sport, nobody > has the slightest difficulty understanding why. > > What's different about amateur radio? > > > -- > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Wes,
Thanks for the suggestion on the work-around for the restricted passband in the CW mode on the K3. That was very thoughtful for your to spell it out in that detail. This is indeed the best work-around that I have found too, but not without some awkwardness. 1- the CWT, spot, and decode features are not available in the SSB mode. 2- the display shows the BFO frequency while in SSB mode, then the transmit frequency when you switch to CW mode. This can get confusing in the heat of the battle.
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Bob - W0GI wrote: > > I realize that many run CW without a computer, and it may be an unfair > advantage, but then so is an antenna up 100ft with a 1500W amp competing > against a poor ham with a dipole and 100W. > > The hams with the megabucks have the advantage no matter what. :>) > There's the rub. The guy with the 100 ft tower running the 1500W is competing against others with similar setups and running the same power, NOT against the guy running 100W into a dipole. Since Skimmer is nothing more than a more accurate and visual form of Telnet or Packet cluster those using it should submit logs in the assisted category just like those who use the DX clusters now are required to do. -- R. Kevin Stover ACØH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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AUTOMATIC CW VFO OFFSET ON MODE CHANGE: Allows
> switching > > quickly between SSB and CW mode without either > you or the other station > > having to re-tune the VFO (often done on 6 meters > and transverter bands). > > First, locate CONFIG:CW WGHT and tap ‘5’ on the > keypad until you see > > “VFO OFS”. From then on, when switching to CW > mode from any other > > mode, the VFO will be offset by an amount equal > to your sidetone pitch > > (as set using the PITCH switch in CW mode). If > the sideband most recently > > used on this band is USB, the VFO will be shifted > UP; if it was LSB, the > > VFO will be shifted DOWN. Man,that's why I love this group,I have learned a lot without having to read the book,I followed these instructions and set it up that way,no need to move VFO knob anymore when switching from SSB to CW and also can answer any station on SSB with CW mode and they hear me right on,thanks for the tip. AD4C ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> Since Skimmer is nothing more than a more accurate and visual form of > Telnet or Packet cluster those using it should submit logs in the > assisted category just like those who use the DX clusters now are > required to do. That's a complete mischaracterization of CW Skimmer. CW skimmer is nothing more than a second receiver and multi-channel CW decoder. It is no different conceptually than a scanner and CW Get or the decoder in Writelog except it takes the process one step further by providing the data in a way that it can be displayed in a logging program "band map" or combined with a panadapter display. Those capabilities have existed individually for many years and in combination for several years in the digital modes. To call skimmer "assisted" is a farce. It completely twists the definition of assisted which used to mean - assistance by another person in making a QSO - and ignores more than 40 years in which technology has replaced things often done by a "second operator." 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of R. Kevin Stover > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:00 AM > To: Bob - W0GI > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes > > > > > Bob - W0GI wrote: > > > > I realize that many run CW without a computer, and it may > be an unfair > > advantage, but then so is an antenna up 100ft with a 1500W amp > > competing against a poor ham with a dipole and 100W. > > > > The hams with the megabucks have the advantage no matter what. :>) > > > There's the rub. > > The guy with the 100 ft tower running the 1500W is competing against > others with similar setups and running the same power, NOT > against the > guy running 100W into a dipole. > > Since Skimmer is nothing more than a more accurate and visual form of > Telnet or Packet cluster those using it should submit logs in the > assisted category just like those who use the DX clusters now are > required to do. > > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > > ACØH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> Since Skimmer is nothing more than a more accurate and visual > form of Telnet or Packet cluster those using it should submit logs in > the assisted category just like those who use the DX clusters now > are required to do. > -- > R. Kevin Stover > ACØH > The assisted categories were created to capture the ASSISTANCE by SOMEONE else, another operator via other means, packet, telephone, internet. Skimmer is another GADGET in operator's shack, using his equipment, antennas etc. just like any other gadget in the shack. We are technical sport using technology gadgets and operator skills. Classifying gadget, skimmer as (human) assistant is the example of twisted logic. Besides, skimmers would eleviate problem of packet pileups (which sucks) as individual skimmers, using individual antennas and setups would come across the "juicy" ones and flag them to operator, spreading the pileups. Mybe we should go back and classify everything besides spark gap and hand key as "assistants"?? 73 Yuri, K3BU.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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