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> this is going to go on for a while isnt it Bob K3DJC I have a new car with Touchscreen controls. When the engine is off, I see all the finger marks. Ugh. No touchscreen for me. 73, Ron, K5HM [hidden email] www.qrz.com/db/k5hm Excelsior! -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jerry More Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:06 PM To: John <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Oh,, and I wanted to point out that if you are using a computer with CAT then most software packages allow you to operate with keyboard shortcuts to QSY, tune up, tune down, change modes, filters..etc.. all up to your imagination depending on the software and your needs. Jer Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jerry Moore Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:05 PM To: John; [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Adding $100 or more to add a touchscreen ui to a radio provides very little value in my view, is silly. The radio cost to value ratio is very low (meaning the value is high). The only exception I can see would be integrating the P3 as an option (hopefully enhancing with a micro computer/ssd for logging, digital, extended macros...etc, basically what I'm doing now with a raspberry pi). So that is if the cost is comparable to getting the P3. Without the features of the P3 integrated; who changes settings so often that the included programmable macro buttons aren't enough? On June 5, 2016 4:35:26 PM EDT, John <[hidden email]> wrote: Ha, Elecraft needs to progress at some stage, or get left behind. Touch screen UI is and has been extensively used - 3 billion touch screen smart phones out there, 1.2 billion touch screen tablets. I can see you all reaching for your keyboards to protest that phones and tablets are not the same thing. Well, touch screen UI have also moved over to commercial products, the military and airline pilots also use touch screen UI communication devices. If they are good enough to be used on commercial aircraft and in military applications, then it sure is good enough for ham radio. Touch screen UI panels having become so prolific, that they have dropped the cost enormously, resolution is picture sharp and reliability is extremely good. Touch screens have huge potential, and almost unlimited versatility. If you need more knobs or buttons on your rig, due to new features having been added��no problem with a touch screen. Just a firmware update to add a knob, button, slider or meter onto the screen. The problem with conventional rigs, is you run out of physical knobs and buttons when features are added to the radio. I see this in my KX3 - some knobs have three functions, and to try and remember what each knobs second or third function does, becomes difficult. Food for thought :-) 73 John On 5 Jun 2016, at 10:13 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]> wrote: Don, I suspect that having redesigned a rig with touch screen capability the manufacturer would, in a short period of time realize the error of their ways. Hopfully they would still have enough capital to revert to the original design and fire the person responsible for the change. On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:37:42 -0400, you wrote: Lynn, Please tell us how a touchscreen interface can enhance usability for blind operators. Elecraft has made a commitment for such usability for all their radios with those blind operators particularly in mind. A GUI interface means nothing to those who cannot see it. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/5/2016 3:16 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: A radio with only physical knobs and buttons severely limits future upgradability, and leads to crazy button combinations to turn things on and off that weren't even a dream when the radio was originally released. Touch screens may not be always convenient, but they're much more flexible than a silk-screened metal panel. I realize that knobs and buttons are a religion for some, but it's really time to lighten up, folks. Either that or for Elecraft to release a rig with a whole bunch of "empty" buttons and sell stickers to update the front panel when the firmware grows to need them. On 6/5/2016 10:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Also, can we pllease, for the love of all that is holy, not do the touch screen GUI? 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Apparently so, Bob. Hard to believe this many Elecrafters were absent when we beat this "Touch Screen" dead horse to death three weeks ago. ;o)
Terry, W0FM -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:08 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: New products > this is going to go on for a while isnt it Bob K3DJC I have a new car with Touchscreen controls. When the engine is off, I see all the finger marks. Ugh. No touchscreen for me. 73, Ron, K5HM [hidden email] www.qrz.com/db/k5hm Excelsior! -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jerry More Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:06 PM To: John <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Oh,, and I wanted to point out that if you are using a computer with CAT then most software packages allow you to operate with keyboard shortcuts to QSY, tune up, tune down, change modes, filters..etc.. all up to your imagination depending on the software and your needs. Jer Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jerry Moore Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:05 PM To: John; [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Adding $100 or more to add a touchscreen ui to a radio provides very little value in my view, is silly. The radio cost to value ratio is very low (meaning the value is high). The only exception I can see would be integrating the P3 as an option (hopefully enhancing with a micro computer/ssd for logging, digital, extended macros...etc, basically what I'm doing now with a raspberry pi). So that is if the cost is comparable to getting the P3. Without the features of the P3 integrated; who changes settings so often that the included programmable macro buttons aren't enough? On June 5, 2016 4:35:26 PM EDT, John <[hidden email]> wrote: Ha, Elecraft needs to progress at some stage, or get left behind. Touch screen UI is and has been extensively used - 3 billion touch screen smart phones out there, 1.2 billion touch screen tablets. I can see you all reaching for your keyboards to protest that phones and tablets are not the same thing. Well, touch screen UI have also moved over to commercial products, the military and airline pilots also use touch screen UI communication devices. If they are good enough to be used on commercial aircraft and in military applications, then it sure is good enough for ham radio. Touch screen UI panels having become so prolific, that they have dropped the cost enormously, resolution is picture sharp and reliability is extremely good. Touch screens have huge potential, and almost unlimited versatility. If you need more knobs or buttons on your rig, due to new features having been added no problem with a touch screen. Just a firmware update to add a knob, button, slider or meter onto the screen. The problem with conventional rigs, is you run out of physical knobs and buttons when features are added to the radio. I see this in my KX3 - some knobs have three functions, and to try and remember what each knobs second or third function does, becomes difficult. Food for thought :-) 73 John On 5 Jun 2016, at 10:13 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]> wrote: Don, I suspect that having redesigned a rig with touch screen capability the manufacturer would, in a short period of time realize the error of their ways. Hopfully they would still have enough capital to revert to the original design and fire the person responsible for the change. On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:37:42 -0400, you wrote: Lynn, Please tell us how a touchscreen interface can enhance usability for blind operators. Elecraft has made a commitment for such usability for all their radios with those blind operators particularly in mind. A GUI interface means nothing to those who cannot see it. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/5/2016 3:16 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: A radio with only physical knobs and buttons severely limits future upgradability, and leads to crazy button combinations to turn things on and off that weren't even a dream when the radio was originally released. Touch screens may not be always convenient, but they're much more flexible than a silk-screened metal panel. I realize that knobs and buttons are a religion for some, but it's really time to lighten up, folks. Either that or for Elecraft to release a rig with a whole bunch of "empty" buttons and sell stickers to update the front panel when the firmware grows to need them. On 6/5/2016 10:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Also, can we pllease, for the love of all that is holy, not do the touch screen GUI? 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Dead Horse :-) Phil W7OX On 6/6/16 3:12 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > Apparently so, Bob. Hard to believe this many Elecrafters were absent when we beat this "Touch Screen" dead horse to death three weeks ago. ;o) > > Terry, W0FM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:08 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: New products > > > this is going to go on for a while isnt it > > Bob K3DJC > > > > I have a new car with Touchscreen controls. When the engine is off, I see all the finger marks. Ugh. No touchscreen for me. > > 73, > Ron, K5HM > [hidden email] > www.qrz.com/db/k5hm > > Excelsior! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jerry More > Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:06 PM > To: John <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products > > Oh,, and I wanted to point out that if you are using a computer with CAT then most software packages allow you to operate with keyboard shortcuts to QSY, tune up, tune down, change modes, filters..etc.. all up to your imagination depending on the software and your needs. > Jer > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Jerry Moore > Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:05 PM > To: John; [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products > > Adding $100 or more to add a touchscreen ui to a radio provides very little value in my view, is silly. The radio cost to value ratio is very low (meaning the value is high). The only exception I can see would be integrating the P3 as an option (hopefully enhancing with a micro computer/ssd for logging, digital, extended macros...etc, basically what I'm doing now with a raspberry pi). > > So that is if the cost is comparable to getting the P3. > > Without the features of the P3 integrated; who changes settings so often that the included programmable macro buttons aren't enough? > > On June 5, 2016 4:35:26 PM EDT, John <[hidden email]> wrote: > Ha, Elecraft needs to progress at some stage, or get left behind. > > Touch screen UI is and has been extensively used - 3 billion touch screen smart phones out there, 1.2 billion touch screen tablets. I can see you all reaching for your keyboards to protest that phones and tablets are not the same thing. Well, touch screen UI have also moved over to commercial products, the military and airline pilots also use touch screen UI communication devices. If they are good enough to be used on commercial aircraft and in military applications, then it sure is good enough for ham radio. > Touch screen UI panels having become so prolific, that they have dropped the cost enormously, resolution is picture sharp and reliability is extremely good. > Touch screens have huge potential, and almost unlimited versatility. If you need more knobs or buttons on your rig, due to new features having been added no problem with a touch screen. > Just a firmware update to add a knob, button, slider or meter onto the screen. > The problem with conventional rigs, is you run out of physical knobs and buttons when features are added to the radio. I see this in my KX3 - some knobs have three functions, and to try and remember what each knobs second or third function does, becomes difficult. > > Food for thought :-) > > 73 > John > > > > > On 5 Jun 2016, at 10:13 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > Don, > > I suspect that having redesigned a rig with touch screen capability the manufacturer would, in a short period of time realize the error of their ways. Hopfully they would still have enough capital to revert to the original design and fire the person responsible for the change. > > On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:37:42 -0400, you wrote: > Lynn, > > Please tell us how a touchscreen interface can enhance usability for blind operators. > Elecraft has made a commitment for such usability for all their radios with those blind operators particularly in mind. > A GUI interface means nothing to those who cannot see it. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 6/5/2016 3:16 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > A radio with only physical knobs and buttons severely limits future upgradability, and leads to crazy button combinations to turn things on and off that weren't even a dream when the radio was originally released. > > Touch screens may not be always convenient, but they're much more flexible than a silk-screened metal panel. > > I realize that knobs and buttons are a religion for some, but it's really time to lighten up, folks. > > Either that or for Elecraft to release a rig with a whole bunch of "empty" buttons and sell stickers to update the front panel when the firmware grows to need them. > > On 6/5/2016 10:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > Also, can we pllease, for the love of all that is holy, not do the touch screen GUI? 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I want to talk about the best mike to use wit my K3
Bob K3DJC n Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:12:05 -0500 "Terry Schieler" <[hidden email]> writes: > Apparently so, Bob. Hard to believe this many Elecrafters were > absent when we beat this "Touch Screen" dead horse to death three > weeks ago. ;o) > > Terry, W0FM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:08 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: New products > > > > > this is going to go on for a while isnt it > > Bob K3DJC > > > > I have a new car with Touchscreen controls. When the engine is off, > I see all the finger marks. Ugh. No touchscreen for me. > > 73, > Ron, K5HM > [hidden email] > www.qrz.com/db/k5hm > > Excelsior! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf > Of Jerry More > Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:06 PM > To: John <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products > > Oh,, and I wanted to point out that if you are using a computer with > CAT then most software packages allow you to operate with keyboard > shortcuts to QSY, tune up, tune down, change modes, filters..etc.. > all up to your imagination depending on the software and your > needs. > Jer > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Jerry Moore > Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:05 PM > To: John; [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products > > Adding $100 or more to add a touchscreen ui to a radio provides very > little value in my view, is silly. The radio cost to value ratio is > very low (meaning the value is high). The only exception I can see > would be integrating the P3 as an option (hopefully enhancing with a > micro computer/ssd for logging, digital, extended macros...etc, > basically what I'm doing now with a raspberry pi). > > So that is if the cost is comparable to getting the P3. > > Without the features of the P3 integrated; who changes settings so > often that the included programmable macro buttons aren't enough? > > On June 5, 2016 4:35:26 PM EDT, John <[hidden email]> wrote: > Ha, Elecraft needs to progress at some stage, or get left behind. > > Touch screen UI is and has been extensively used - 3 billion touch > screen smart phones out there, 1.2 billion touch screen tablets. I > can see you all reaching for your keyboards to protest that phones > and tablets are not the same thing. Well, touch screen UI have also > moved over to commercial products, the military and airline pilots > also use touch screen UI communication devices. If they are good > enough to be used on commercial aircraft and in military > applications, then it sure is good enough for ham radio. > Touch screen UI panels having become so prolific, that they have > dropped the cost enormously, resolution is picture sharp and > reliability is extremely good. > Touch screens have huge potential, and almost unlimited versatility. > If you need more knobs or buttons on your rig, due to new features > having been added no problem with a touch screen. > Just a firmware update to add a knob, button, slider or meter onto > the screen. > The problem with conventional rigs, is you run out of physical knobs > and buttons when features are added to the radio. I see this in my > KX3 - some knobs have three functions, and to try and remember what > each knobs second or third function does, becomes difficult. > > Food for thought :-) > > 73 > John > > > > > On 5 Jun 2016, at 10:13 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE > <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > Don, > > I suspect that having redesigned a rig with touch screen capability > the manufacturer would, in a short period of time realize the error > of their ways. Hopfully they would still have enough capital to > revert to the original design and fire the person responsible for > the change. > > On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:37:42 -0400, you wrote: > Lynn, > > Please tell us how a touchscreen interface can enhance usability for > blind operators. > Elecraft has made a commitment for such usability for all their > radios with those blind operators particularly in mind. > A GUI interface means nothing to those who cannot see it. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 6/5/2016 3:16 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > A radio with only physical knobs and buttons severely limits future > upgradability, and leads to crazy button combinations to turn things > on and off that weren't even a dream when the radio was originally > released. > > Touch screens may not be always convenient, but they're much more > flexible than a silk-screened metal panel. > > I realize that knobs and buttons are a religion for some, but it's > really time to lighten up, folks. > > Either that or for Elecraft to release a rig with a whole bunch of > "empty" buttons and sell stickers to update the front panel when the > firmware grows to need them. > > On 6/5/2016 10:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > Also, can we pllease, for the love of all that is holy, not do the > touch screen GUI? At least, not an exclusively touch > > > > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] > > > > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] > > > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my > brevity. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Well, tell us more, Bob: Hand mic or desk mic or
boom mic or headphone-mic combo? Lots of options out there! I use a Kenwood hand mic which came with an old Kenwood HF rig; I believe it's an MC-43, and it works well. Elecraft sells mics, too. 73, Phil W7OX On 6/6/16 3:58 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > I want to talk about the best mike to use with my K3 > > Bob K3DJC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Mon,6/6/2016 5:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> We have some professional audio types on this list. I am not one of them. As > an ordinary Ham who cares about how my signal sounds on the air, IMHO more > than 90% of the differences in microphones used for communications are > strictly cosmetic and convenience. This pro audio guy agrees. > With today's advanced computer-controlled manufacturing processes the > electret element in such mics far exceeds the frequency range any quality > Ham rig will allow, so that is not an issue. Agreed. > You will want a housing with pop suppression, so your breath won't make an > objectionable pop when you exhale or say certain phonemes. I disagree with this. The correct advice is to avoid microphone TYPES that are subject to breath pops, and to use the mic you have so that your voice doesn't generate pops. So -- 1) avoid directional mics and noise-cancelling mics, both of which are subject to breath pops; 2) position the mic a few inches above and to the side of your mouth. The boom mic of a headset makes this VERY easy. The Yamaha CM500 and Koss SB35 are good choices. See the photo on page 5 of http://k9yc.com/ContestAudio.pdf for an example. > You need to > decide between hand-held, desk or boom mount and a mic attached to a > headset. And you'll want a connector wired for the K3. I find a boom mic headset ideal for operating SSB. The CM500 and SB45 plug straight into the rear panel of the K3 and K3S. They are very comfortable, and both mic and headphones sound great. > Elecraft makes a nice set of mics that take all the hassle out of having the > right connector and of course the company stands behind them. (In "full > disclosure", I'm not an employee, but have been associated with Elecraft for > 16 years so far. That has given me the opportunity to use several of their > mics.) I love the guys at Elecraft, but I don't recommend the mics they sell, which they buy from third party vendors, and must sell at a significant markup. Elecraft is in the RADIO biz, and they're really good at it. Those Yamaha and Koss boom mic headsets offer FAR more value for the money. If you want something more compact to carry up the trail with your KX2 or KX3, look at lightweight computer headsets, which plug into those radios directly, or with a simple adapter you can buy on amazon for $5. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Jim,
Nice run down! Re this "If you want something more compact to carry up the trail with your KX2 or KX3, look at lightweight computer headsets, which plug into those radios directly, or with a simple adapter you can buy on amazon for $5." could you be more specific on the simple adapter at Amazon? I have one somewhere but cannot find it, so need a replacement. 73, Phil W7OX On 6/7/16 12:48 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,6/6/2016 5:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> We have some professional audio types on this >> list. I am not one of them. As >> an ordinary Ham who cares about how my signal >> sounds on the air, IMHO more >> than 90% of the differences in microphones used >> for communications are >> strictly cosmetic and convenience. > > This pro audio guy agrees. > >> With today's advanced computer-controlled >> manufacturing processes the >> electret element in such mics far exceeds the >> frequency range any quality >> Ham rig will allow, so that is not an issue. > > Agreed. > >> You will want a housing with pop suppression, >> so your breath won't make an >> objectionable pop when you exhale or say >> certain phonemes. > > I disagree with this. The correct advice is to > avoid microphone TYPES that are subject to > breath pops, and to use the mic you have so that > your voice doesn't generate pops. So -- 1) avoid > directional mics and noise-cancelling mics, both > of which are subject to breath pops; 2) position > the mic a few inches above and to the side of > your mouth. The boom mic of a headset makes this > VERY easy. The Yamaha CM500 and Koss SB35 are > good choices. See the photo on page 5 of > http://k9yc.com/ContestAudio.pdf for an example. > >> You need to >> decide between hand-held, desk or boom mount >> and a mic attached to a >> headset. And you'll want a connector wired for >> the K3. > > I find a boom mic headset ideal for operating > SSB. The CM500 and SB45 plug straight into the > rear panel of the K3 and K3S. They are very > comfortable, and both mic and headphones sound > great. > >> Elecraft makes a nice set of mics that take all >> the hassle out of having the >> right connector and of course the company >> stands behind them. (In "full >> disclosure", I'm not an employee, but have been >> associated with Elecraft for >> 16 years so far. That has given me the >> opportunity to use several of their >> mics.) > I love the guys at Elecraft, but I don't > recommend the mics they sell, which they buy > from third party vendors, and must sell at a > significant markup. Elecraft is in the RADIO > biz, and they're really good at it. Those Yamaha > and Koss boom mic headsets offer FAR more value > for the money. If you want something more > compact to carry up the trail with your KX2 or > KX3, look at lightweight computer headsets, > which plug into those radios directly, or with a > simple adapter you can buy on amazon for $5. > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Tue,6/7/2016 7:45 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Re this "If you want something more compact to carry up the trail with > your KX2 or KX3, look at lightweight computer headsets, which plug > into those radios directly, or with a simple adapter you can buy on > amazon for $5." could you be more specific on the simple adapter at > Amazon? I have one somewhere but cannot find it, so need a replacement. Headsets are something that we need to try on, like a pair of shoes -- it essentially comes down to physical comfort. It's hard to buy something online knowing what it will feel like. :) I'm primarily a CW op, especially QRP, and I'm old enough that backpacking doesn't apeal to me, so I've never bothered to look for a backpacking headset/mic. For lightweight headphones, I like the Etymotic Research and Shure in-ear products. TXEQ in Elecraft radios is so good that virtually any mic that isn't "broke" can be made to sound good. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Tue,6/7/2016 8:58 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> I have the headsets. It's the adapter I've lost, so if you could aim > me at the one you suggested at Amazon I'd be much obliged! As far as I know, the only headset/mics that need an adapter would be those that have a single Tip-Ring-Ring-Sleeve (TRRS) plug. The Star-Tech MUYHSFMM adapter looks like the right part. A search for that part on amazon will find it. In the KX2 and KX3, the mic jack is TRRS, but the two rings are used for logic switching with an Elecraft mic (PTT, up/down). With any other mic (including one using this adapter), we need to go into the Menu and set MIC BTN to "Off" and set the radio to use VOX (or use the XMIT button). 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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monoprice.com has a good selection of these type of adapters at appropriate (for high volume Chinese) prices.
73 Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Jun 7, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote: > > could you be more specific on the simple adapter at Amazon? I have one somewhere but cannot find it, so need a replacement. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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k3 sn 22xx.... loaded option wise ( no 2mtr)
last week vfo did not move receiver ??... and heard no sigs till after i changed bands and back/// upon pwr on get err codes.. first was KIO THEN IF1 PWR DN AND UP AGAIN ,,, KIO IF1 I RELOADED FW THINKING THAT WOULD BE EASIEST .. then got the kio error again/./// RADIO WORKS FINE sounds like i need to take it apart and deoxit everything front panel and reassemble. other ideas ???? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Call our support guys first thing Monday. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Jun 19, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H <[hidden email]> wrote: > > k3 sn 22xx.... loaded option wise ( no 2mtr) > > last week vfo did not move receiver ??... > and heard no sigs till after i changed bands and back/// > > upon pwr on get err codes.. > first was KIO > > THEN IF1 > > PWR DN AND UP AGAIN ,,, > > KIO > IF1 > > I RELOADED FW THINKING THAT WOULD BE EASIEST .. > then got the kio error again/./// > > RADIO WORKS FINE > > sounds like i need to take it apart and deoxit everything front panel and > reassemble. > other ideas ???? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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the usual splendid treatment by howard confirmed my thought ... get those gold contacts installed....tnx bill At 12:21 AM 6/20/2016, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >Bill, > >Call our support guys first thing Monday. > >73, > >Eric >elecraft.com >_..._ > > > > > On Jun 19, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > k3 sn 22xx.... loaded option wise ( no 2mtr) > > > > last week vfo did not move receiver ??... > > and heard no sigs till after i changed bands and back/// > > > > upon pwr on get err codes.. > > first was KIO > > > > THEN IF1 > > > > PWR DN AND UP AGAIN ,,, > > > > KIO > > IF1 > > > > I RELOADED FW THINKING THAT WOULD BE EASIEST .. > > then got the kio error again/./// > > > > RADIO WORKS FINE > > > > sounds like i need to take it apart and deoxit everything front > panel and > > reassemble. > > other ideas ???? > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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