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kk4oyj

Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements and therefore do not have to carry a CE mark. If asked, just show the invoice and a copy of the
DIRECTIVE 2014/30/EU

You can google it and download.
You're looking for Article 2.

73 de John, 9H5G

On May 18, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Sven Ladegast <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello folks,

I've just built my new KX3 serial #6221 and it is a pretty cool radio that is working like a charm!

I just wonder why kits do not get a CE badge next to the serial number badge? Or did someone miss to put it into the box?

vy 73!

Sven, DJ2AT
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Sven Ladegast

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

Hello John,

thanks for this hint!

You are right: Article 2 paragraph 2 states this out. So my self-built
KX3 is legal to use since it is handled like any other homebrew gear...

73!

Sven, DJ2AT

Am 18.05.2014 15:04, schrieb John, 9H5G:

>
> Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements and therefore do not have to carry a CE mark. If asked, just show the invoice and a copy of the
> DIRECTIVE 2014/30/EU
>
> You can google it and download.
> You're looking for Article 2.
>
> 73 de John, 9H5G
>
> On May 18, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Sven Ladegast <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I've just built my new KX3 serial #6221 and it is a pretty cool radio that is working like a charm!
>
> I just wonder why kits do not get a CE badge next to the serial number badge? Or did someone miss to put it into the box?
>
> vy 73!
>
> Sven, DJ2AT
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David Cutter

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

I'm being picky, but strictly speaking kits are not required to have a CE
mark which has EMC as a part of it requirement, not the other way around.
However, stating the obvious, that doesn't absolve a user of from creating
EMC issues with other equipment outside his premises.

David
G3UNA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sven Ladegast" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

Hello John,

thanks for this hint!

You are right: Article 2 paragraph 2 states this out. So my self-built
KX3 is legal to use since it is handled like any other homebrew gear...

73!

Sven, DJ2AT

Am 18.05.2014 15:04, schrieb John, 9H5G:

>
> Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements and therefore do not have to
> carry a CE mark. If asked, just show the invoice and a copy of the
> DIRECTIVE 2014/30/EU
>
> You can google it and download.
> You're looking for Article 2.
>
> 73 de John, 9H5G
>
> On May 18, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Sven Ladegast <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I've just built my new KX3 serial #6221 and it is a pretty cool radio that
> is working like a charm!
>
> I just wonder why kits do not get a CE badge next to the serial number
> badge? Or did someone miss to put it into the box?
>
> vy 73!
>
> Sven, DJ2AT

kk4oyj

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

Being picky then.... I cannot see how you can infer what you have written from the regulation.
"For the purposes of point (c) of the first subparagraph, kits of components to be assembled by radio amateurs and equipment made available on the market and modified by and for the use of radio amateurs are not regarded as equipment made available on the market."
My original text stated clearly that "Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements" which is what the document is about.

A responsible ham will of course act responsibly in all manner of ways including EMC but that is not what the OP asked.

We're not all lawyers here. We take the written word in good faith ham-to-ham. This is not a place to be picky - rather, it is a place where we accept the inferred meaning from others in good faith. Far, far, far too many threads have been closed as they have degraded into 'pickiness'.

73 de John, 9H5G

On May 18, 2014, at 11:42 AM, "David Cutter" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm being picky, but strictly speaking kits are not required to have a CE mark which has EMC as a part of it requirement, not the other way around. However, stating the obvious, that doesn't absolve a user of from creating EMC issues with other equipment outside his premises.

David
G3UNA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Ladegast" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

Hello John,

thanks for this hint!

You are right: Article 2 paragraph 2 states this out. So my self-built
KX3 is legal to use since it is handled like any other homebrew gear...

73!

Sven, DJ2AT

Am 18.05.2014 15:04, schrieb John, 9H5G:

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David Woolley (E.L)

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

In reply to this post by kk4oyj

Although Elecraft may get away with it, a lot of equipment that is CE
marked has final assembly stages that have to be done after unpacking
the box. I don't think the EEC exemption was designed to cover the
final assembly of dedicated sub-assemblies, but rather assembly from
commodity parts.

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Owner K2 06123.

On 18/05/14 14:04, John, 9H5G wrote:
>
> Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements and therefore do not have to carry a CE mark. If asked, just show the invoice and a copy of the
> DIRECTIVE 2014/30/EU
>

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kk4oyj

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

That may be David but its much more EMC friendly which was your original
tack.

As to your comments on 'intent' thats hardly a topic for here. Best talk to
the European authorities on that one.
On 18 May 2014 13:33, "David Woolley (E.L)" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Although Elecraft may get away with it, a lot of equipment that is CE
> marked has final assembly stages that have to be done after unpacking the
> box. I don't think the EEC exemption was designed to cover the final
> assembly of dedicated sub-assemblies, but rather assembly from commodity
> parts.
>
> --
> David Woolley
> Owner K2 06123.
>
> On 18/05/14 14:04, John, 9H5G wrote:
>
>>
>> Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements and therefore do not have to
>> carry a CE mark. If asked, just show the invoice and a copy of the
>> DIRECTIVE 2014/30/EU
>>
>>
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Stewart@twinwood

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

In reply to this post by kk4oyj

At the end of the day very few regulatory organisations within the EU currently
give a "monkey's" about CE marking...

73
Stewart G3RXQ

On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:14:38 -0400, John, 9H5G wrote:
> Being picky then.... I cannot see how you can infer what you have written from
the regulation.
> "For the purposes of point (c) of the first subparagraph, kits of components
to be assembled by radio amateurs and equipment made available on the market and
modified by and for the use of radio amateurs are not regarded as equipment made
available on the market."
> My original text stated clearly that "Kits are not subject to the EMC
requirements" which is what the document is about.
>
> A responsible ham will of course act responsibly in all manner of ways
including EMC but that is not what the OP asked.
>
> We're not all lawyers here. We take the written word in good faith ham-to-ham.
This is not a place to be picky - rather, it is a place where we accept the
inferred meaning from others in good faith. Far, far, far too many threads have
been closed as they have degraded into 'pickiness'.
>
> 73 de John, 9H5G
>
> On May 18, 2014, at 11:42 AM, "David Cutter" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'm being picky, but strictly speaking kits are not required to have a CE mark
which has EMC as a part of it requirement, not the other way around. However,
stating the obvious, that doesn't absolve a user of from creating EMC issues
with other equipment outside his premises.

>
> David
> G3UNA
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Ladegast" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?
>
>
> Hello John,
>
> thanks for this hint!
>
> You are right: Article 2 paragraph 2 states this out. So my self-built
> KX3 is legal to use since it is handled like any other homebrew gear...
>
> 73!
>
> Sven, DJ2AT
>
> Am 18.05.2014 15:04, schrieb John, 9H5G:
>>
>> Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements and therefore do not have to

carry a CE mark. If asked, just show the invoice and a copy of the

>> DIRECTIVE 2014/30/EU
>>
>> You can google it and download.
>> You're looking for Article 2.
>>
>> 73 de John, 9H5G
>>
>> On May 18, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Sven Ladegast <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I've just built my new KX3 serial #6221 and it is a pretty cool radio that is

working like a charm!
>>
>> I just wonder why kits do not get a CE badge next to the serial number badge?
Or did someone miss to put it into the box?

>>
>> vy 73!
>>
>> Sven, DJ2AT
>
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David Pratt

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

In reply to this post by kk4oyj

The moral there is not to ask too many questions.

David Pratt G4DMP

On 18 May 2014 18:33, "David Woolley (E.L)" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Although Elecraft may get away with it, a lot of equipment that is CE
> marked has final assembly stages that have to be done after unpacking
> the box. I don't think the EEC exemption was designed to cover the
> final assembly of dedicated sub-assemblies, but rather assembly from
> commodity parts.
>
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kk4oyj

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

In reply to this post by Stewart@twinwood

Absolutely correct Stewart.

I think this thread has outlived its usefulness and should be closed
On 18 May 2014 13:46, "Stewart" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> At the end of the day very few regulatory organisations within the EU
> currently
> give a "monkey's" about CE marking...
>
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
>
> On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:14:38 -0400, John, 9H5G wrote:
> > Being picky then.... I cannot see how you can infer what you have
> written from
> the regulation.
> > "For the purposes of point (c) of the first subparagraph, kits of
> components
> to be assembled by radio amateurs and equipment made available on the
> market and
> modified by and for the use of radio amateurs are not regarded as
> equipment made
> available on the market."
> > My original text stated clearly that "Kits are not subject to the EMC
> requirements" which is what the document is about.
> >
> > A responsible ham will of course act responsibly in all manner of ways
> including EMC but that is not what the OP asked.
> >
> > We're not all lawyers here. We take the written word in good faith
> ham-to-ham.
> This is not a place to be picky - rather, it is a place where we accept the
> inferred meaning from others in good faith. Far, far, far too many threads
> have
> been closed as they have degraded into 'pickiness'.
> >
> > 73 de John, 9H5G
> >
> > On May 18, 2014, at 11:42 AM, "David Cutter" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm being picky, but strictly speaking kits are not required to have a
> CE mark
> which has EMC as a part of it requirement, not the other way around.
> However,
> stating the obvious, that doesn't absolve a user of from creating EMC
> issues
> with other equipment outside his premises.
> >
> > David
> > G3UNA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Ladegast" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?
> >
> >
> > Hello John,
> >
> > thanks for this hint!
> >
> > You are right: Article 2 paragraph 2 states this out. So my self-built
> > KX3 is legal to use since it is handled like any other homebrew gear...
> >
> > 73!
> >
> > Sven, DJ2AT
> >
> > Am 18.05.2014 15:04, schrieb John, 9H5G:
> >>
> >> Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements and therefore do not have
> to
> carry a CE mark. If asked, just show the invoice and a copy of the
> >> DIRECTIVE 2014/30/EU
> >>
> >> You can google it and download.
> >> You're looking for Article 2.
> >>
> >> 73 de John, 9H5G
> >>
> >> On May 18, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Sven Ladegast <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello folks,
> >>
> >> I've just built my new KX3 serial #6221 and it is a pretty cool radio
> that is
> working like a charm!
> >>
> >> I just wonder why kits do not get a CE badge next to the serial number
> badge?
> Or did someone miss to put it into the box?
> >>
> >> vy 73!
> >>
> >> Sven, DJ2AT
> >
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Deni F5VJC

Re: Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?

Agreed, much more interesting threads than this have been closed in the
past.

And yes who gives a 'monkeys' about this anyway...

F5VJC

On 18 May 2014 19:49, John Macrae <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Absolutely correct Stewart.
>
> I think this thread has outlived its usefulness and should be closed
> On 18 May 2014 13:46, "Stewart" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > At the end of the day very few regulatory organisations within the EU
> > currently
> > give a "monkey's" about CE marking...
> >
> > 73
> > Stewart G3RXQ
> >
> > On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:14:38 -0400, John, 9H5G wrote:
> > > Being picky then.... I cannot see how you can infer what you have
> > written from
> > the regulation.
> > > "For the purposes of point (c) of the first subparagraph, kits of
> > components
> > to be assembled by radio amateurs and equipment made available on the
> > market and
> > modified by and for the use of radio amateurs are not regarded as
> > equipment made
> > available on the market."
> > > My original text stated clearly that "Kits are not subject to the EMC
> > requirements" which is what the document is about.
> > >
> > > A responsible ham will of course act responsibly in all manner of ways
> > including EMC but that is not what the OP asked.
> > >
> > > We're not all lawyers here. We take the written word in good faith
> > ham-to-ham.
> > This is not a place to be picky - rather, it is a place where we accept
> the
> > inferred meaning from others in good faith. Far, far, far too many
> threads
> > have
> > been closed as they have degraded into 'pickiness'.
> > >
> > > 73 de John, 9H5G
> > >
> > > On May 18, 2014, at 11:42 AM, "David Cutter" <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm being picky, but strictly speaking kits are not required to have a
> > CE mark
> > which has EMC as a part of it requirement, not the other way around.
> > However,
> > stating the obvious, that doesn't absolve a user of from creating EMC
> > issues
> > with other equipment outside his premises.
> > >
> > > David
> > > G3UNA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Ladegast" <[hidden email]
> >
> > > To: <[hidden email]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 kit: No CE badge for self-built KX3s?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello John,
> > >
> > > thanks for this hint!
> > >
> > > You are right: Article 2 paragraph 2 states this out. So my self-built
> > > KX3 is legal to use since it is handled like any other homebrew gear...
> > >
> > > 73!
> > >
> > > Sven, DJ2AT
> > >
> > > Am 18.05.2014 15:04, schrieb John, 9H5G:
> > >>
> > >> Kits are not subject to the EMC requirements and therefore do not have
> > to
> > carry a CE mark. If asked, just show the invoice and a copy of the
> > >> DIRECTIVE 2014/30/EU
> > >>
> > >> You can google it and download.
> > >> You're looking for Article 2.
> > >>
> > >> 73 de John, 9H5G
> > >>
> > >> On May 18, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Sven Ladegast <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello folks,
> > >>
> > >> I've just built my new KX3 serial #6221 and it is a pretty cool radio
> > that is
> > working like a charm!
> > >>
> > >> I just wonder why kits do not get a CE badge next to the serial number
> > badge?
> > Or did someone miss to put it into the box?
> > >>
> > >> vy 73!
> > >>
> > >> Sven, DJ2AT
> > >
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