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Robert Vargas (KP4Y)

Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-)

Robert-KP4Y

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
From: Ian Kahn - Ham <[hidden email]>
To: Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]>
CC: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft <[hidden email]>

Olli,

I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price
recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually
about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it.

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA EM74ua
[hidden email]
K3 #281, P3 #688
HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team

On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:

> Thanks for the heads-up, Eric!
>
> What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was
> announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for
> Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other
> manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market?
>
> I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but
> still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after
> "earning" all the development costs (and "milking" the early adaptors who
> always need the newest and "best") they can and do decrease the product
> prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.).
> Typical mass-production mechanisms.
>
> So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the "big
> ones")? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production
> costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out
> that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those
> others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc.
>
> Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price).
>
> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing
>> prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid
>> September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's
>> pricing.
>>
>> We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our
>> costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which
>> other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been
>> absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.)
>>
>> Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have
>> any additional information.
>>
>> As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to
>> absorb cost increases where ever possible.
>>
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> www.elecraft.com
>> _..._
>>
>>
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daleputnam

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

In reply to this post by Robert Vargas (KP4Y)

It seems to me that Kenwood is managed by some very smart fellers... head to head with a pair of super smart fellers... Both have a product to sell... and a goal to meet... if the price varies... all other things being somewhat equal to the two... a lowering of the price says they want to sell more, and the profit is not to be as much. If the price is forced up, that says the quality and support will have to be as best as it gets, to support the price being forced up, by parts cost, AND there isn't a pot of profit from numerous other arms of the same company to suck up the profit difference. One more thing.... standing on your own, says a lot for thequality of the offered product. A WHOLE lot!!

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:44:38 -0400

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
>
> I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-)
>
> Robert-KP4Y
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
> From: Ian Kahn - Ham <[hidden email]>
> To: Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]>
> CC: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>
> Olli,
>
> I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price
> recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually
> about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it.
>
> --Ian
>
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA EM74ua
> [hidden email]
> K3 #281, P3 #688
> HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team
>
> On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
> > Thanks for the heads-up, Eric!
> >
> > What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was
> > announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for
> > Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other
> > manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market?
> >
> > I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but
> > still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after
> > "earning" all the development costs (and "milking" the early adaptors who
> > always need the newest and "best") they can and do decrease the product
> > prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.).
> > Typical mass-production mechanisms.
> >
> > So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the "big
> > ones")? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production
> > costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out
> > that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those
> > others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc.
> >
> > Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price).
> >
> > 73, Olli - DH8BQA
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> > To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing
> >> prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid
> >> September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's
> >> pricing.
> >>
> >> We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our
> >> costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which
> >> other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been
> >> absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.)
> >>
> >> Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have
> >> any additional information.
> >>
> >> As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to
> >> absorb cost increases where ever possible.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Eric
> >> www.elecraft.com
> >> _..._
> >>
> >>
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Gary Gregory

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

*Eric makes the point that this increase is cost related. Many
manufacturers do this of course and some just bring out a new model and the
additional cost pressures are built into the new model pricing.

Nice to see Elecraft continue the products currently being sold and just
make a cost adjustment as needed.

Whatever the increase may be, Elecraft are very well managed and as such
they will examine their business plan carefully and are well aware of the
adverse effects any increase in the retail price can have to their business.

I would be confident that Eric and the management team have examined all
aspects of production and supply and the increase will be the minimum they
can be happy with.

To compare Elecraft to say Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu is perhaps not a good
comparison. The corporate structure and governance of these companies is
totally different.

Gary
*
On 17 August 2012 10:14, Dale Putnam <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> It seems to me that Kenwood is managed by some very smart fellers... head
> to head with a pair of super smart fellers... Both have a product to
> sell... and a goal to meet... if the price varies... all other things being
> somewhat equal to the two... a lowering of the price says they want to sell
> more, and the profit is not to be as much. If the price is forced up, that
> says the quality and support will have to be as best as it gets, to support
> the price being forced up, by parts cost, AND there isn't a pot of profit
> from numerous other arms of the same company to suck up the profit
> difference. One more thing.... standing on your own, says a lot for
> thequality of the offered product. A WHOLE lot!!
>
> --... ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
> > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:44:38 -0400
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
> >
> > I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about
> $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has
> had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really
> Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then
> will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-)
> >
> > Robert-KP4Y
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
> > From: Ian Kahn - Ham <[hidden email]>
> > To: Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]>
> > CC: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ -
> Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> >
> > Olli,
> >
> > I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price
> > recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually
> > about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it.
> >
> > --Ian
> >
> > Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> > Roswell, GA EM74ua
> > [hidden email]
> > K3 #281, P3 #688
> > HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team
> >
> > On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
> > > Thanks for the heads-up, Eric!
> > >
> > > What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was
> > > announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing
> for
> > > Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other
> > > manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market?
> > >
> > > I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher
> price (but
> > > still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after
> > > "earning" all the development costs (and "milking" the early adaptors
> who
> > > always need the newest and "best") they can and do decrease the product
> > > prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin,
> etc.).
> > > Typical mass-production mechanisms.
> > >
> > > So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the
> "big
> > > ones")? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only
> production
> > > costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level
> out
> > > that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least
> those
> > > others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc.
> > >
> > > Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price).
> > >
> > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> > > To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM
> > > Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing
> > >> prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid
> > >> September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at
> today's
> > >> pricing.
> > >>
> > >> We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where
> our
> > >> costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on
> which
> > >> other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been
> > >> absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.)
> > >>
> > >> Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not
> have
> > >> any additional information.
> > >>
> > >> As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible,
> and to
> > >> absorb cost increases where ever possible.
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >> Eric
> > >> www.elecraft.com
> > >> _..._
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ______________________________________________________________
> > >> Elecraft mailing list
> > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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wayne burdick

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

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In reply to this post by Robert Vargas (KP4Y)

Robert Vargas (KP4Y) wrote:

> I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is
> about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know,
> Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe
> it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their
> products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money
> or not. :-)

Some products generate enthusiasm only when first released. The
manufacturer might price them high initially, reap the rewards, then
discount them when the thrill wears off.

But there are also products that get better over time.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

Wayne is right on that one. Take a look at the K2 list of Mods. A K2
with a serial number above 4060 has many improvements over earlier K2s.
While each one of those mods is not especially expensive, they do add
value to the product.

There likely will be no future mods to the K2 unless some redesign is
required because the original parts are no longer available - and there
have been 2 instances of that which I have been aware of - the speech
compressor on the KSB2 option and the encoder. Both of these required
redesign efforts on the part of Elecraft - and that folks is on a 13
year old design. What other manufacturer would expend design effort to
keep a 13 year old product going with replacement parts? I think many
others would simply withdraw support.

Yeah for Elecraft and their commitment to provide support for their
products for as long as reasonably possible.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/16/2012 8:46 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> But there are also products that get better over time. 73, Wayne N6KR

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daleputnam

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

In reply to this post by Gary Gregory

And THAT, is the key and reason I love Elecraft!

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
The corporate structure and governance of these companies is

> totally different.
>
> Gary
> *
> On 17 August 2012 10:14, Dale Putnam <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
> > It seems to me that Kenwood is managed by some very smart fellers... head
> > to head with a pair of super smart fellers... Both have a product to
> > sell... and a goal to meet... if the price varies... all other things being
> > somewhat equal to the two... a lowering of the price says they want to sell
> > more, and the profit is not to be as much. If the price is forced up, that
> > says the quality and support will have to be as best as it gets, to support
> > the price being forced up, by parts cost, AND there isn't a pot of profit
> > from numerous other arms of the same company to suck up the profit
> > difference. One more thing.... standing on your own, says a lot for
> > thequality of the offered product. A WHOLE lot!!
> >
> > --... ...--
> > Dale - WC7S in Wy
> > > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:44:38 -0400
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
> > >
> > > I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about
> > $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has
> > had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really
> > Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then
> > will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-)
> > >
> > > Robert-KP4Y
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
> > > From: Ian Kahn - Ham <[hidden email]>
> > > To: Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]>
> > > CC: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ -
> > Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > > Olli,
> > >
> > > I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price
> > > recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually
> > > about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it.
> > >
> > > --Ian
> > >
> > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> > > Roswell, GA EM74ua
> > > [hidden email]
> > > K3 #281, P3 #688
> > > HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team
> > >
> > > On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the heads-up, Eric!
> > > >
> > > > What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was
> > > > announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing
> > for
> > > > Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other
> > > > manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market?
> > > >
> > > > I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher
> > price (but
> > > > still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after
> > > > "earning" all the development costs (and "milking" the early adaptors
> > who
> > > > always need the newest and "best") they can and do decrease the product
> > > > prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin,
> > etc.).
> > > > Typical mass-production mechanisms.
> > > >
> > > > So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the
> > "big
> > > > ones")? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only
> > production
> > > > costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level
> > out
> > > > that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least
> > those
> > > > others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price).
> > > >
> > > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> > > > To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM
> > > > Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing
> > > >> prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid
> > > >> September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at
> > today's
> > > >> pricing.
> > > >>
> > > >> We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where
> > our
> > > >> costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on
> > which
> > > >> other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been
> > > >> absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.)
> > > >>
> > > >> Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not
> > have
> > > >> any additional information.
> > > >>
> > > >> As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible,
> > and to
> > > >> absorb cost increases where ever possible.
> > > >>
> > > >> 73,
> > > >> Eric
> > > >> www.elecraft.com
> > > >> _..._
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ______________________________________________________________
> > > >> Elecraft mailing list
> > > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Bill K9YEQ

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

So they say: like fine wine. (But, of course, I like beer.) Wayne, have a
case on me!!!

73,
Bill
K9YEQ
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Robert Vargas (KP4Y) wrote:
[WRJ] .............

But there are also products that get better over time.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

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Actually, comparing any company with any other company that builds a
similar product is perfectly valid. How they may be structured should
not be a consideration in your buying decision ... at least it isn't in
mine. I managed a large electronics business for many years and the
last thing I expected my customers to judge me on was anything besides
performance/quality/reliability/price/delivery/service/dependability.
That's all that matters, and they're all visible to the customer.
Elecraft manages that balance pretty well which is why I buy their
products, but I can't see myself cutting them any slack simply because
their competitors might have better leverage to supply me with what I want.

Dave AB7E

On 8/16/2012 5:36 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
> To compare Elecraft to say Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu is perhaps not a good
> comparison. The corporate structure and governance of these companies is
> totally different.
>
> Gary

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Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

*Dave,

Agreed.

Pricing does get affected due to corporate structure. The sales division
more often than not has a bottom line dictated to them and sometimes this
takes away a lot of headroom.

Elecraft are tightly managed and pricing is carefully monitored no doubt as
well as manufacture costs.

I have not purchased based solely on the management of a company. Indeed
performance of the product was the most important. Reputation is the second
criteria I have used in my decision making process.

I have always taken note of customers writings but not to the point of
discarding a company from my own personal decision making process.

I guess the old saying 'to each their own' can be applied in liberal doses?

73
Gary
*
On 17 August 2012 13:00, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Actually, comparing any company with any other company that builds a
> similar product is perfectly valid. How they may be structured should
> not be a consideration in your buying decision ... at least it isn't in
> mine. I managed a large electronics business for many years and the
> last thing I expected my customers to judge me on was anything besides
> performance/quality/reliability/price/delivery/service/dependability.
> That's all that matters, and they're all visible to the customer.
> Elecraft manages that balance pretty well which is why I buy their
> products, but I can't see myself cutting them any slack simply because
> their competitors might have better leverage to supply me with what I want.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
> On 8/16/2012 5:36 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> >
> > To compare Elecraft to say Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu is perhaps not a good
> > comparison. The corporate structure and governance of these companies is
> > totally different.
> >
> > Gary
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george fritkin

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

In reply to this post by Robert Vargas (KP4Y)

It is MBA 101. You price products to cost or to market. When you are an Elecraft you keep raising prices and track contribution to the bottom line. As long as contribution is positive you have price elasticity . And prices go up further. Forget the cost

George, W6GF
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N0AZZ

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

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I personally have no problems with price increases as costs are rising in my
business as they are in all. I for one will pay more to Elecraft for the
reason that they continue to support their radios with service and parts
very important to me and a factor that weighted heavy on my buying decision
as well as their support.

I am one of the early adopters that some talk about paying too much for a
radio I want the radios when they first hit the market not lay around and
nitpick about it for years till the price drops. I bought the FTDX-5000MP
and pre-ordered it 5 mo in advance of its release here in the states mine
was the second one delivered. I followed it closely in the Japan market and
knew what it could do and it's ratings and it turned out to be the #1 rated
radio in most all the receiver tests. I have not been disappointed in it so
far.

Recently I decided to try some Elecraft equipment starting with a loaded
K2/100 then a W2 next came a high serial # K3/100 and a new P3 with SVGA
most recently a new K3/100 loaded and 2m also. I decided against the
Elecraft amp was not a fit for my station used my VL-1000 for a while with
the K3's. Then bought a refurbished amp from Alpha a 87A with AlphaMax and a
Palstar AT-Auto till there Alpha's tuner is delivered.

My reasoning behind these radio purchases I have others also an IC-9100 in
the mix but I wanted to own the #1 & 2 radios on the list and have found the
Yaesu and the Elecraft to have distinct differences between them each having
strong and weak points where one will outdo the other. I have found a
fondness for the Elecrafts that has come on rather strong the last several
months and comparing radios is really quite enjoyable.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

*Dave,

Agreed.

Pricing does get affected due to corporate structure. The sales division
more often than not has a bottom line dictated to them and sometimes this
takes away a lot of headroom.

Elecraft are tightly managed and pricing is carefully monitored no doubt as
well as manufacture costs.

I have not purchased based solely on the management of a company. Indeed
performance of the product was the most important. Reputation is the second
criteria I have used in my decision making process.

I have always taken note of customers writings but not to the point of
discarding a company from my own personal decision making process.

I guess the old saying 'to each their own' can be applied in liberal doses?

73
Gary
*
On 17 August 2012 13:00, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Actually, comparing any company with any other company that builds a
> similar product is perfectly valid. How they may be structured should
> not be a consideration in your buying decision ... at least it isn't
> in mine. I managed a large electronics business for many years and
> the last thing I expected my customers to judge me on was anything
> besides
performance/quality/reliability/price/delivery/service/dependability.
> That's all that matters, and they're all visible to the customer.
> Elecraft manages that balance pretty well which is why I buy their
> products, but I can't see myself cutting them any slack simply because
> their competitors might have better leverage to supply me with what I
want.

>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
> On 8/16/2012 5:36 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> >
> > To compare Elecraft to say Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu is perhaps not a
> > good comparison. The corporate structure and governance of these
> > companies is totally different.
> >
> > Gary
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KENT TRIMBLE

Re: Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.

In reply to this post by george fritkin

Or in plain English . . .

You charge as much as you can and still sell your product.
You charge as little as you can and still stay in business.

73,

Kent K9ZTV

On 8/16/2012 11:42 PM, someone wrote:
> It is MBA 101. You price products to cost or to market. When you are an Elecraft you keep raising prices and track contribution to the bottom line. As long as contribution is positive you have price elasticity . And prices go up further. Forget the cost
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