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Larry Snyder

HRD and K3

I have my K3 connected to the PC and the K3 software works fine.

I have 2 audio cables between Line IN and Line Out of the K3 to the Mic and
Speakers on the PC.

With HRD - I see the QSOs on the screen and of course the waterfall display
at the bottom with an Audio level of 10%. When I attempt to call CQ -

The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.

MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP

MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.

Still no difference.

Any other ideas??

Sincerely

Larry

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Richard Ferch

Re: HRD and K3

I don't use HRD, but the configuration should be basically the same
regardless of which software you use. My guess as to what was wrong
initially would be sound card output level too low or muted, but since
then you have made changes in the wrong direction.

First, you didn't mention which mode you were trying to use, but I am
assuming it is a sound card digital mode. In digital modes, you should
put the K3 into DATA A mode. In principle it is possible to use USB, but
you have to change all sorts of other settings between digital modes and
SSB (audio input selection, TX and RX EQ off, compression off, and maybe
different Vox settings). Using DATA A relieves you of all that
reconfiguring every time you change modes. If your software doesn't want
to let you use DATA A, maybe it isn't configured correctly for the K3.

Next, since your sound card's output is connected to the K3's Line In
jack, then MIC SEL should be set to Line In. That's where the audio
input will be coming from. This setting is remembered separately in DATA
A vs. phone modes.

In digital modes, MIC+LIN should be Off (actually it will be N/A when
MIC SEL is set to Line In). You do not want room sounds, fan noise, your
breathing or anything you say being transmitted on top of the digital
signal.

The MIC level control (which will actually be the LINE level control
with MIC SEL = Line In) is set in conjunction with the computer's sound
card level control. With the transmitter connected to a dummy load
and/or transmit power dialed down to nothing, set the software to
transmit using an audio frequency in the middle of the waterfall, put
the computer's playback level control for the sound card you are using
somewhere in the middle of its range (not all the way up and not all the
way down), and adjust the LINE level on the K3 and/or the computer's
level control until the K3's "ALC" meter reads 4-5 bars. To adjust the
transmitted signal power, use the PWR control - don't change the
MIC/LINE gain control once it is set correctly.

There are several different ways to control TX/RX switching, but it
appears as if you have one working, so we don't need to go into that
unless you are having problems with it.

73,
Rich VE3KI

HK2LS wrote:

> I have my K3 connected to the PC and the K3 software works fine.
>
> I have 2 audio cables between Line IN and Line Out of the K3 to the Mic and
> Speakers on the PC.
>
> With HRD - I see the QSOs on the screen and of course the waterfall display
> at the bottom with an Audio level of 10%. When I attempt to call CQ -
>
> The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>
> MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>
> MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>
> Still no difference.
>
> Any other ideas??

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: HRD and K3

In reply to this post by Larry Snyder

> Any other ideas??

Are you using MODE=DATA and data sub-mode=DATA_A?

> MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>
> MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.

Set MIC+LIN back to OFF, set Mic SEL back to Line In, place DM780 in
PSK31 transmit and adjust the Mic Gain (actually Line Gain in DATA_A)
for four bars of ALC with the fifth just flickering then adjust PWR Out
for no more than 50W.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 8/8/2015 8:43 AM, Larry Snyder wrote:

> I have my K3 connected to the PC and the K3 software works fine.
>
>
>
> I have 2 audio cables between Line IN and Line Out of the K3 to the Mic and
> Speakers on the PC.
>
>
>
> With HRD - I see the QSOs on the screen and of course the waterfall display
> at the bottom with an Audio level of 10%. When I attempt to call CQ -
>
>
>
> The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>
>
>
> MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>
> MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>
>
>
> Still no difference.
>
>
>
> Any other ideas??
>
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> --
>
> Larry Snyder, RN.ORG, SA - HK2LS
>
> "Each and Every Day Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org
> <http://www.rn.org/> for their Nursing CEUs!"
>

Matt Zilmer-3

Re: HRD and K3

In reply to this post by Larry Snyder

<snip>
>
>The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>
Problem areas to look for -

1. The K3 mode should be TX DATA (seen on the graphic), and its data
mode should be DATA A. DATA A is used to interface external sound to
the K3 through line in and out jacks.

2. Line in and out need to go to the sound unit you intend to use on
the PC. MIC SEL at the K3 should be set to Line In.

3. HRD needs to be configured to use the sound unit above.

Once you've juggled these around to get *some power* out of the K3 on
TX, then you should set the K3's LIne In gain (via the MIC control
while in TX to a reasonable level). For the K3, use the ALC metering
to set 4-5 bars of ALC indicated. This is the correct drive level to
use.

You may need to adjust both the K3's Line In gain AND the sound unit's
Playback level to get a happy medium. Once you've got it, write it
down in case something gets moved around.

73,
matt
W6NIA
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Kenneth Christiansen

Re: HRD and K3

Hi to the gang

I have to agree with all the advice from the other hams but I have experienced one more thing at least with my KX3. If I keep turning up the audio the indications go up to the required 4 to 5 bars than if I keep turning up the audio all the bars go away. I can see with a mic gain of 60 that you may be seeing the same thing.

My advice is turn all the gains down to minimum. Bring the computer sound card up to mid scale. Slowly bring the mike gain up and see if you see the same results I described above.

If this doesn't work please excuse the bandwidth but it has happened to me at least twice and caused me to look for other troubles such as cords that were not there.

Good luck

Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net

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> On Aug 8, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Matt Zilmer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
> Problem areas to look for -
>
> 1. The K3 mode should be TX DATA (seen on the graphic), and its data
> mode should be DATA A. DATA A is used to interface external sound to
> the K3 through line in and out jacks.
>
> 2. Line in and out need to go to the sound unit you intend to use on
> the PC. MIC SEL at the K3 should be set to Line In.
>
> 3. HRD needs to be configured to use the sound unit above.
>
> Once you've juggled these around to get *some power* out of the K3 on
> TX, then you should set the K3's LIne In gain (via the MIC control
> while in TX to a reasonable level). For the K3, use the ALC metering
> to set 4-5 bars of ALC indicated. This is the correct drive level to
> use.
>
> You may need to adjust both the K3's Line In gain AND the sound unit's
> Playback level to get a happy medium. Once you've got it, write it
> down in case something gets moved around.
>
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA
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Lyle Johnson

Re: HRD and K3

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

In addition to Joe's excellent advice, you may need to set the Tx output
level for the soundcard in DM780 to a higher-than-default level. In the
DM780 version I have on my computer, I have the Transmit Level sliders
for Master and Wave both set to about 70.

With that, my K3 (S) LINE (IN) gain is set to 23 for 4-5 bars of ALC
using PSK31.

YMMV,
73,

Lyle KK7P

On 8/8/15 6:36 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> > Any other ideas??
>
> Are you using MODE=DATA and data sub-mode=DATA_A?
>
> > MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
> >
> > MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>
> Set MIC+LIN back to OFF, set Mic SEL back to Line In, place DM780 in
> PSK31 transmit and adjust the Mic Gain (actually Line Gain in DATA_A)
> for four bars of ALC with the fifth just flickering then adjust PWR Out
> for no more than 50W.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 8/8/2015 8:43 AM, Larry Snyder wrote:
>> I have my K3 connected to the PC and the K3 software works fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 audio cables between Line IN and Line Out of the K3 to the
>> Mic and
>> Speakers on the PC.
>>
>>
>>
>> With HRD - I see the QSOs on the screen and of course the waterfall
>> display
>> at the bottom with an Audio level of 10%. When I attempt to call CQ -
>>
>>
>>
>> The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>>
>> MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still no difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any other ideas??
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Larry Snyder, RN.ORG, SA - HK2LS
>>
>> "Each and Every Day Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org
>> <http://www.rn.org/> for their Nursing CEUs!"
>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: HRD and K3

On 8/8/2015 2:31 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
> In addition to Joe's excellent advice, you may need to set the Tx output
> level for the soundcard in DM780 to a higher-than-default level. In the
> DM780 version I have on my computer, I have the Transmit Level sliders
> for Master and Wave both set to about 70.

Not yo pick on Lyle ... only to piggyback on the thread ... given some
of the gross misinformation about sound cards and Windows around these
days, when you set up your sound card, right click on the "microphone"
and/or "Speaker" sliders in the Windows Sound control panel and select
"dB" for the scale. Once you do that, the best starting points are
0.0 dB for *inputs* (mic and/or line) and -3.0 dB for *outputs*
(speaker or headphones). Those levels reflect the driver settings and
tend to be independent of sound card brand.

At 0.0 dB for the input, the sound card is not providing further gain
for the input signal which minimizes the chances of overflowing the
ADC input. Similarly, most sound cards are much "cleaner" at 3 dB or
more below maximum output (that's typically 80 to 83 percent). If
the rig has sufficient gain, I tend to prefer -6.- dB (67%) since some
of the "inexpensive" USB powered sound cards lack proper regulation and
bypassing which makes them very dirty at maximum levels.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

>
> With that, my K3 (S) LINE (IN) gain is set to 23 for 4-5 bars of ALC
> using PSK31.
>
> YMMV,
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
> On 8/8/15 6:36 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> > Any other ideas??
>>
>> Are you using MODE=DATA and data sub-mode=DATA_A?
>>
>> > MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>> >
>> > MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>>
>> Set MIC+LIN back to OFF, set Mic SEL back to Line In, place DM780 in
>> PSK31 transmit and adjust the Mic Gain (actually Line Gain in DATA_A)
>> for four bars of ALC with the fifth just flickering then adjust PWR Out
>> for no more than 50W.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV

Larry Snyder

Re: HRD and K3

In reply to this post by Matt Zilmer-3

Thank you for your reply Matt.

I changed the MIC to the back mono mic input and the HRD works fine.

Now getting back to the Line In

On the radio in the middle of the right side of the display I see TX DATA

I set the DATA mode to DATA A

I transmit and adjusted the MIC GAIN and see the DATA level increase on the
LCD

And bingo, it works just fine.

Thank you so very much!!

Sincerely

Larry

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Nursing CEUs!"
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:28 AM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HRD and K3

<snip>
>
>The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>
Problem areas to look for -

1. The K3 mode should be TX DATA (seen on the graphic), and its data mode
should be DATA A. DATA A is used to interface external sound to the K3
through line in and out jacks.

2. Line in and out need to go to the sound unit you intend to use on the PC.
MIC SEL at the K3 should be set to Line In.

3. HRD needs to be configured to use the sound unit above.

Once you've juggled these around to get *some power* out of the K3 on TX,
then you should set the K3's LIne In gain (via the MIC control while in TX
to a reasonable level). For the K3, use the ALC metering to set 4-5 bars of
ALC indicated. This is the correct drive level to use.

You may need to adjust both the K3's Line In gain AND the sound unit's
Playback level to get a happy medium. Once you've got it, write it down in
case something gets moved around.

73,
matt
W6NIA
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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Mark AB7MP

K3S Line out

In reply to this post by Larry Snyder

Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack. Using
know good cables, only one channel has audio. Anything special in the trs
wiring for this?

Mark, ab7mp

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Mark AB7MP

Re: K3S Line out

No sub installed.

m

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out

Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack. Using
know good cables, only one channel has audio. Anything special in the trs
wiring for this?

Mark, ab7mp

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Lyle Johnson

Re: K3S Line out

In reply to this post by Mark AB7MP

Normally, line out has a "fixed gain" (settable in a menu) with the left
channel as the main receiver and right as the sub-receiver.

An alternative is to set it to reflect the phones jack. You'll get both
channels, but the gain will vary with the AF gain control.

See the K3/K3S manual for details.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.

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Cady, Fred

Re: K3S Line out

In reply to this post by Mark AB7MP

Hi Mark,
You might have to set SPKRS 2.
I don't know if the LINE OUT acts the same as the Headphones, but if SPRKS=1 and SPKR+PH is Yes, you get main audio in the left ear only. Setting SPKRS 2 should clear that up.
Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3" and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade parts are works in progress.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Mark
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
>
> No sub installed.
>
> m
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 3:26 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
>
> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.
> Using know good cables, only one channel has audio. Anything special
> in the trs wiring for this?
>
> Mark, ab7mp
>
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Mark AB7MP

Re: K3S Line out

In reply to this post by Lyle Johnson

Thanks, Lyle and Hank.

Sounds like no fixed level for two channels with only one receiver (no sub
here) - the term "stereo" threw me (can't think of a better word so no real
complaint here)
When the book said "Normally" I thought it could be configured for a single
receiver config to feed both channels (in a not Normal setup). At least, I
know it's working as designed.

Just finished the build yesterday and wanting to make sure everything is
working.

(FWIW - hearing more stations than I did on the old, aging, noisy, Yaseu.
Love what it's done for me so far!)

Tnx

Mark, ab7mp

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyle Johnson
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 3:46 PM
To: Mark ; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Line out

Normally, line out has a "fixed gain" (settable in a menu) with the left
channel as the main receiver and right as the sub-receiver.

An alternative is to set it to reflect the phones jack. You'll get both
channels, but the gain will vary with the AF gain control.

See the K3/K3S manual for details.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.

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Mark AB7MP

Re: K3S Line out

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Already set for SPKRS 2 (love that feature!)

Tnx

m

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Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:01 PM
To: Mark ; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S Line out

Hi Mark,
You might have to set SPKRS 2.
I don't know if the LINE OUT acts the same as the Headphones, but if SPRKS=1
and SPKR+PH is Yes, you get main audio in the left ear only. Setting SPKRS
2 should clear that up.
Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line
Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3" and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade
parts are works in progress.

Mark AB7MP

Re: K3S Line out

In reply to this post by Mark AB7MP

Just finished the build and haven't configured for the USB codec yet -
starting with the familiar methods 1st then transitioning to the more
advanced in an attempt to get on the air with the new rig as quickly as
possible. Had plans on going USB and comparing that to analog - just wanted
to see both bar graphs jumping!

Probably will start working on the USB option tonight or tomorrow.

Tnx

Mark, ab7mp

-----Original Message-----
From: Nr4c
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 3:40 PM
To: Mark
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Line out

Do you have the KRX3 Sub receiver installed?

There isn't much on the other channel unless you do.

And why would you use this instead of the USB audio CODEC?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On Aug 8, 2015, at 6:26 PM, Mark <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack. Using
> know good cables, only one channel has audio. Anything special in the trs
> wiring for this?
>
> Mark, ab7mp
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