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Brian F. Wruble-2

Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp

Hi Guys,

I have a brand new Heil Pro-7 Headset with mike, in a snazzy red color. The
reports on my audio are terrible, so I must have something setup wrong. The
audio is very low, and appears to have some background noise. My Heil
headset with an HC4/HC5 mike element is a little better, but still low, on
both elements.

In contrast, my Elecraft MH-2 mike sounds great and gets great reports. It
has much more audio output.

I am operating remote from Key West using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig to a K3
located in Maryland.

I have mike bias on, but on or off makes no difference.

Thanks for any suggestions.

73 and Happy Holidays,

Brian W3BW

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Dr. William J. Schmidt, II

Re: Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp

You should read this first:

http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ-PJ2/K9HZ

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch
Staunton, Illinois

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-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian
F. Wruble
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:44 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp

Hi Guys,

I have a brand new Heil Pro-7 Headset with mike, in a snazzy red color. The
reports on my audio are terrible, so I must have something setup wrong. The
audio is very low, and appears to have some background noise. My Heil
headset with an HC4/HC5 mike element is a little better, but still low, on
both elements.

In contrast, my Elecraft MH-2 mike sounds great and gets great reports. It
has much more audio output.

I am operating remote from Key West using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig to a K3
located in Maryland.

I have mike bias on, but on or off makes no difference.

Thanks for any suggestions.

73 and Happy Holidays,

Brian W3BW

*Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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John Kendra-2

Re: Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp

I also got one of the Pro 7s. Up until now I have been strictly CW and
this is my first venture into voice. There are suggested DSP settings
for Elecraft, but nothing else. I had to set my MAIN: MIC SEL to high to
get an output; I don't know if that is correct or not. I am still playing
with the other adjustments..

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> You should read this first:
>
> http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft
>
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ-PJ2/K9HZ
>
> Owner - Operator
> Big Signal Ranch
> Staunton, Illinois
>
> email: [hidden email]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Brian
> F. Wruble
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:44 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I have a brand new Heil Pro-7 Headset with mike, in a snazzy red color. The
> reports on my audio are terrible, so I must have something setup wrong. The
> audio is very low, and appears to have some background noise. My Heil
> headset with an HC4/HC5 mike element is a little better, but still low, on
> both elements.
>
> In contrast, my Elecraft MH-2 mike sounds great and gets great reports. It
> has much more audio output.
>
> I am operating remote from Key West using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig to a K3
> located in Maryland.
>
> I have mike bias on, but on or off makes no difference.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> 73 and Happy Holidays,
>
> Brian W3BW
>
> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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N7US

Re: Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setup

The Heil page suggests LOW not HIGH. I have, and sometimes use, a PR781,
which is one they mention along with the HC6, and I use LOW. My settings
for the PR781 are intended to make it more like an HC4, which is what I use
for DXing. I cut the lows more and emphasized the highs more than Heil's
settings.

Being a retired accountant, I keep Excel files of the mic settings (and
menu/config settings, which are in the Elecraft_K3 yahoo Group files area).
I can email my mic settings file if you want it but you can start with the
Heil settings and experiment.

73, Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

I also got one of the Pro 7s. Up until now I have been strictly CW and this
is my first venture into voice. There are suggested DSP settings for
Elecraft, but nothing else. I had to set my MAIN: MIC SEL to high to get an
output; I don't know if that is correct or not. I am still playing with the
other adjustments..

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> You should read this first:
>
> http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft
>
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt -
> K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ-PJ2/K9HZ
> email: [hidden email]
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I have a brand new Heil Pro-7 Headset with mike, in a snazzy red
> color. The reports on my audio are terrible, so I must have something
> setup wrong. The audio is very low, and appears to have some
> background noise. My Heil headset with an HC4/HC5 mike element is a
> little better, but still low, on both elements.
>
> In contrast, my Elecraft MH-2 mike sounds great and gets great
> reports. It has much more audio output.
>
> I am operating remote from Key West using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig to
> a K3 located in Maryland.
>
> I have mike bias on, but on or off makes no difference.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> 73 and Happy Holidays,
>
> Brian W3BW

Ken_ke2n

Re: Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp

In reply to this post by Brian F. Wruble-2

I just got a pro 7 to use with my K3.

Definitely sounds better with the high selection (FP.H not FP.L) and, of course, no bias as this is a dynamic element - it will short circuit the bias.

The output of this element does indeed seem slightly low (compared with HC-4) but if you close-talk it (it's a boom mike after all) and use a gain setting of about 40 (out of 60) I find there is enough to get 6 bars ALC on voice peaks. There is lots of low-end response, so you will want to play with the equalizer to get either rag chew or dx-test response.

It would be nice if the K3 had about 3 dB more audio gain ... the manual says that if I tap [3] in the mic select menu there should be more gain. But I get "N/A" ;-(

Ken

73
Ken

dmb@lightstream.net

Re: Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp

Hello Ken,

I use the Pro 7 w/ the HC7 element as well.

Tapping the "7" key while in "MIC SEL" will bring in the extra preamp
which in combination with FP.H will most likely be too much gain. If it
is, try leaving the "7" preamp engaged but drop back to FP.L and see if
that gives you enough gain. I would NOT suggest using both the "7" preamp
and FP.H though.

73, Dale
WA8SRA

> I just got a pro 7 to use with my K3.
>
> Definitely sounds better with the high selection (FP.H not FP.L) and, of
> course, no bias as this is a dynamic element - it will short circuit the
> bias.
>
> The output of this element does indeed seem slightly low (compared with
> HC-4) but if you close-talk it (it's a boom mike after all) and use a gain
> setting of about 40 (out of 60) I find there is enough to get 6 bars ALC
> on
> voice peaks. There is lots of low-end response, so you will want to play
> with the equalizer to get either rag chew or dx-test response.
>
> It would be nice if the K3 had about 3 dB more audio gain ... the manual
> says that if I tap [3] in the mic select menu there should be more gain.
> But I get "N/A" ;-(
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> -----
> 73
> Ken
>
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Re: Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp

Aha - two questions at once.
My instruction manual says to tap [3].

"
For the front-panel mic only, additional microphone
gain can be enabled by tapping 3 . Use this only for
very low-output mics.
"
I also tried 4,5, and 6 . . . I should have kept going :-)

I asked Elecraft about this. Apparently it is an error corrected in the
"errata" document. Sigh.

Anyway, yes, with this boost function I can run the mic gain around 30 and
even with FP.L selected.

Thanks,
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:24 PM
To: Ken_ke2n
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp

Hello Ken,

I use the Pro 7 w/ the HC7 element as well.

Tapping the "7" key while in "MIC SEL" will bring in the extra preamp which
in combination with FP.H will most likely be too much gain. If it is, try
leaving the "7" preamp engaged but drop back to FP.L and see if that gives
you enough gain. I would NOT suggest using both the "7" preamp and FP.H
though.

73, Dale
WA8SRA

> I just got a pro 7 to use with my K3.
>
> Definitely sounds better with the high selection (FP.H not FP.L) and,
> of course, no bias as this is a dynamic element - it will short
> circuit the bias.
>
> The output of this element does indeed seem slightly low (compared
> with
> HC-4) but if you close-talk it (it's a boom mike after all) and use a
> gain setting of about 40 (out of 60) I find there is enough to get 6
> bars ALC on voice peaks. There is lots of low-end response, so you
> will want to play with the equalizer to get either rag chew or dx-test
> response.
>
> It would be nice if the K3 had about 3 dB more audio gain ... the
> manual says that if I tap [3] in the mic select menu there should be more

gain.

> But I get "N/A" ;-(
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> -----
> 73
> Ken
>
> --
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