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Carl Jón Denbow

Heil Proset KX3 Element?

I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster
audio reports. What would be the best replacement element to use? I
assume that it's a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element
with another one. It looks like there are just two phillips screws
holding on the cover of the element box at the end of the boom.

Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated.

73,
Carl

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Heil Proset KX3 Element?

What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be able
to suggest a way to get better audio with the
element you have.

Phil W7OX

On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:

> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get
> fairly lack luster audio reports. What would be
> the best replacement element to use? I assume
> that it's a fairly simple operation to replace
> the ic element with another one. It looks like
> there are just two phillips screws holding on
> the cover of the element box at the end of the
> boom.
>
> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Carl
>
> =================================================
> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>
> [hidden email]
> www.n8vz.com
> EM89wh
> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
> PSK and JT65 Forever!

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Heil Proset KX3 Element?

Ah, I missed KX3 in the title.

Phil W7OX

On 12/26/14 4:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

> What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be
> able to suggest a way to get better audio with
> the element you have.
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
>> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get
>> fairly lack luster audio reports. What would
>> be the best replacement element to use? I
>> assume that it's a fairly simple operation to
>> replace the ic element with another one. It
>> looks like there are just two phillips screws
>> holding on the cover of the element box at the
>> end of the boom.
>>
>> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated.
>>
>> 73,
>> Carl
>>
>> =================================================
>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>
>> [hidden email]
>> www.n8vz.com
>> EM89wh
>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>

Carl Jón Denbow

Re: Heil Proset KX3 Element?

Thanks, Phil. These look like exactly what I needed. I'll check this out tomorrow and let you know how it works. 73 de Carl, N8VZ

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> On Dec 26, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yeah, reading the manual should always be a last resort, Carl :-)
>
> I have an older Heil with the HC-4 element, supposedly good for "communications quality". The HC-5 is reputed to have good fidelity.
>
> Mike bias may be another parameter at issue but I don't know the iC element.
>
> Let me see if I have anything I can attach with would provide you more info. Yes, take a look at the two attached files.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
>
>> On 12/26/14 8:47 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
>> Yes, I should have put KX3 in the text as well. Sorry for the confusion. I've had a few suggestions offline, which I'm going check out. These involve mic gain and eq settings. I already have the mic gain set pretty high but haven't touched any iq settings. I guess I may have to resort to reading the manual. ;-)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ah, I missed KX3 in the title.
>>>>
>>>> Phil W7OX
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>>>> What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be able to suggest a way to get better audio with the element you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil W7OX
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
>>>>> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio reports. What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It looks like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the element box at the end of the boom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>> =================================================
>>>>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>>>>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>>>>
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> www.n8vz.com
>>>>> EM89wh
>>>>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
>>>>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
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> <E740174 Proset for the KX3 Rev A.pdf>
> <Heil BM-10 IC and KX3.pdf>

Vic Rosenthal

Re: Heil Proset KX3 Element?

If what they are telling you is that it sounds tinny, that is the HC4. It is supposed to be good for 'penetrating' pileups, but doesn't sound very good.

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP

> On Dec 27, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Carl Jón Denbow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Phil. These look like exactly what I needed. I'll check this out tomorrow and let you know how it works. 73 de Carl, N8VZ
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, reading the manual should always be a last resort, Carl :-)
>>
>> I have an older Heil with the HC-4 element, supposedly good for "communications quality". The HC-5 is reputed to have good fidelity.
>>
>> Mike bias may be another parameter at issue but I don't know the iC element.
>>
>> Let me see if I have anything I can attach with would provide you more info. Yes, take a look at the two attached files.
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>>
>>> On 12/26/14 8:47 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
>>> Yes, I should have put KX3 in the text as well. Sorry for the confusion. I've had a few suggestions offline, which I'm going check out. These involve mic gain and eq settings. I already have the mic gain set pretty high but haven't touched any iq settings. I guess I may have to resort to reading the manual. ;-)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, I missed KX3 in the title.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil W7OX
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>> What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be able to suggest a way to get better audio with the element you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil W7OX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
>>>>>> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio reports. What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It looks like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the element box at the end of the boom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>>>>>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> www.n8vz.com
>>>>>> EM89wh
>>>>>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
>>>>>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>> <E740174 Proset for the KX3 Rev A.pdf>
>> <Heil BM-10 IC and KX3.pdf>
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Jim Rhodes-3

Re: Heil Proset KX3 Element?

Before you replace the element take some time with a trusted local who
knows you voice and adjust the transmit equalizer. Makes all the difference
in the world.
On Dec 26, 2014 11:30 PM, "Vic Rosenthal" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If what they are telling you is that it sounds tinny, that is the HC4. It
> is supposed to be good for 'penetrating' pileups, but doesn't sound very
> good.
>
> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP
>
> > On Dec 27, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Carl Jón Denbow <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Phil. These look like exactly what I needed. I'll check this
> out tomorrow and let you know how it works. 73 de Carl, N8VZ
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 26, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, reading the manual should always be a last resort, Carl :-)
> >>
> >> I have an older Heil with the HC-4 element, supposedly good for
> "communications quality". The HC-5 is reputed to have good fidelity.
> >>
> >> Mike bias may be another parameter at issue but I don't know the iC
> element.
> >>
> >> Let me see if I have anything I can attach with would provide you more
> info. Yes, take a look at the two attached files.
> >>
> >> 73, Phil W7OX
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 12/26/14 8:47 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
> >>> Yes, I should have put KX3 in the text as well. Sorry for the
> confusion. I've had a few suggestions offline, which I'm going check out.
> These involve mic gain and eq settings. I already have the mic gain set
> pretty high but haven't touched any iq settings. I guess I may have to
> resort to reading the manual. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ah, I missed KX3 in the title.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Phil W7OX
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> >>>>>> What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be able to suggest a way
> to get better audio with the element you have.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Phil W7OX
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
> >>>>>> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster
> audio reports. What would be the best replacement element to use? I
> assume that it's a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with
> another one. It looks like there are just two phillips screws holding on
> the cover of the element box at the end of the boom.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 73,
> >>>>>> Carl
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> =================================================
> >>>>>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> >>>>>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [hidden email]
> >>>>>> www.n8vz.com
> >>>>>> EM89wh
> >>>>>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
> >>>>>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
> >>>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>>> Elecraft mailing list
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> >>
> >> <E740174 Proset for the KX3 Rev A.pdf>
> >> <Heil BM-10 IC and KX3.pdf>
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Mark Forsyth

Re: Heil Proset KX3 Element?

In reply to this post by Carl Jón Denbow

G'day Carl,

If you get aggressive with TX EQ you can make the Heil iC element sound
pretty good. If you can get someone who knows your voice to listen while you
make adjustments you should be able to come up with settings that suit your
voice.

I started out with the settings outlined on the Heil All things Elecraft
page - it's at
http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft and
with the help of another operator finally came up with the following :-

-16, -16, -06, +00, +06, +12, +12 and +09 for TXEQ.
Compression is at 25 and mic gain is high enough to have the fifth, and
occasionally the sixth, ALC bar flickering.

With those settings I often get unsolicited reports of very good audio.

Cheers,
Mark F...
VK3ZMF / VK3KW
KX3 with the lot # 1675
KXPA100 # 530
PX3 # 233

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl
> Jón Denbow
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:03 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element?
>
> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio
reports.
> What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a
> fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It
looks
> like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the
element

> box at the end of the boom.
>
> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Carl
>
> =================================================
> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>
> [hidden email]
> www.n8vz.com
> EM89wh
> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
> PSK and JT65 Forever!
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Carl Jón Denbow

Re: Heil Proset KX3 Element?

Thanks, Mark. I did have a local listen after I made some adjustments,
but I didn't make adjustments in real time as he was listening. I
think that'll have to be the next step. I did try to adjust EQ
settings, as detailed in another message. But, I'll give your settings
a try, also -- they are a little more aggressive than the one's tried.
I do find it interesting that the MH3 mic got better on-the-air reviews
without any EQ adjustment than, so far, I've gotten from the Heil
Proset, with adjustments. I hope your more aggressive settings will
turn the tide of battle! ;-) 73 de Carl, N8VZ

Mark Forsyth wrote:

> G'day Carl,
>
> If you get aggressive with TX EQ you can make the Heil iC element sound
> pretty good. If you can get someone who knows your voice to listen while you
> make adjustments you should be able to come up with settings that suit your
> voice.
>
> I started out with the settings outlined on the Heil All things Elecraft
> page - it's at
> http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft and
> with the help of another operator finally came up with the following :-
>
> -16, -16, -06, +00, +06, +12, +12 and +09 for TXEQ.
> Compression is at 25 and mic gain is high enough to have the fifth, and
> occasionally the sixth, ALC bar flickering.
>
> With those settings I often get unsolicited reports of very good audio.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark F...
> VK3ZMF / VK3KW
> KX3 with the lot # 1675
> KXPA100 # 530
> PX3 # 233
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl
>> Jón Denbow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:03 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element?
>>
>> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio
> reports.
>> What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a
>> fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It
> looks
>> like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the
> element
>> box at the end of the boom.
>>
>> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated.
>>
>> 73,
>> Carl
>>
>> =================================================
>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>
>> [hidden email]
>> www.n8vz.com
>> EM89wh
>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
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