High End Operators?
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"High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years. The term came about after the 1977 CB expansion from 23 channels to 40. The first 23 channels allotted, except for channel 23, came from the 1958 conversion of the 11 meter ham band to CB use. Until 1977 all the CB equipment stopped with channel 23. "High End Users" became a pejorative for a while after FCC opened channels 24-40 when users would call and make contact on channel 19, and then transfer to channel 24 and above, deliberately showing up owners of older equipment who could not follow or listen. That gradually went away as the newer 40 channel CB sets became common. Many retained their older 23 channel sets and left them permanently on channel 19 to listen for emergency road calls, while using the 40 channel sets for everything else. I don't know why anyone would want to use (or reuse) that term, "high end users". Repurposed bullsh*t is still bullsh*t and still stinks the same. Back in the 70's before modern cell phones, I knew a lot of hams who put CB sets in their wive's cars, so they would not get stranded without communication. My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11 meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10 meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it. 73, Guy K2AV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Mon,9/5/2016 1:36 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> "High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative > term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years. That's a term I've never heard. Although I've been licensed since 1955, the only time I ever transmitted on 11M was around 1959-60 when it was still a ham band, and a fellow student at U of Cincy had built a pair of 11M handhelds (in tall skinny Al boxes, sort of like a "Bud box"). 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Jim,
Your time on the 11m ham band had to be before September 1958, which is when the Class D CB allocation was authorized. Prior to that time CB was a UHF-only affair. 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH On 9/5/2016 2:51 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,9/5/2016 1:36 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> "High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative >> term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years. > > That's a term I've never heard. Although I've been licensed since > 1955, the only time I ever transmitted on 11M was around 1959-60 when > it was still a ham band, and a fellow student at U of Cincy had built > a pair of 11M handhelds (in tall skinny Al boxes, sort of like a "Bud > box"). > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In reply to this post by Guy Olinger K2AV
I always wondered why there even WAS an 11 M ham band. Surely the
propagation characteristics were no different for 10 M as to warrant it's use. Plus, 10 is wide enough (1.7 MHz) for just about any mode. I was even more puzzled why it was given to the Citizen's band class since it is obviously affected each year by sporadic E skip. 'Skip" operation violated the original intent of CB, so why choose a band that's famous for it. They HAD a perfectly good "CB" band up above 400 MHz, which would eliminate almost any possibility of other than line-of-sight communications. I even have a couple Vocaline transceivers on that band. They worked, but if you look inside, you'd wonder how they could with so few parts. What's then MOST puzzling is the operation on CB channel 6, or 27.025 MHz. There are stations on there running in excess of 50 kW ! 10 kW, is considered "low" power. All for the express purpose of winning the "shoot-out" to see who's the loudest. Just remember, if you're being heard at 20 dB over S-9 when running a kilowatt, you'll still be S-5 at 100 milliwatts . 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 4:37 PM To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? Sigh... "High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years. The term came about after the 1977 CB expansion from 23 channels to 40. The first 23 channels allotted, except for channel 23, came from the 1958 conversion of the 11 meter ham band to CB use. Until 1977 all the CB equipment stopped with channel 23. "High End Users" became a pejorative for a while after FCC opened channels 24-40 when users would call and make contact on channel 19, and then transfer to channel 24 and above, deliberately showing up owners of older equipment who could not follow or listen. That gradually went away as the newer 40 channel CB sets became common. Many retained their older 23 channel sets and left them permanently on channel 19 to listen for emergency road calls, while using the 40 channel sets for everything else. I don't know why anyone would want to use (or reuse) that term, "high end users". Repurposed bullsh*t is still bullsh*t and still stinks the same. Back in the 70's before modern cell phones, I knew a lot of hams who put CB sets in their wive's cars, so they would not get stranded without communication. My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11 meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10 meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it. 73, Guy K2AV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Mon,9/5/2016 2:09 PM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote:
> Your time on the 11m ham band had to be before September 1958, which > is when the Class D CB allocation was authorized. Perhaps I was bootlegging -- I'm sure of the date because I started college in Sept 1959. :) 73, Jim ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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