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Dick Dievendorff

How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with a
2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
Windows 98 SE.

I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.

Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.

Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.

Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR

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Bill Blomgren

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

In the commercial world, 98 went by the wayside back when MS dropped support
for it... which was somewhere in the 2000's as I remember. (I never
supported 98.. I was only in the server world there.)

Considering the age of the computers that -can- run 98 these days, they are
.. well... OLD. I have 1 down in Charlotte that I didn't bump to XP only
because I had a film scanner from Polaroid (4000 pixels per inch) that did
an incredible job.. but had software that ONLY ran on 98. 4 weeks after I
bought that puppy ($1500 then) - Polaroid went belly up. So there have been
NO updates for the drivers and guts of the scanning software. <sigh>

But I don't know anyone still running 98 or ME at this point. None. LOTS
of people on Linux, Mac, and Windows XP and 7. A few running Vista.. I
don't know of anyone running 8 at this point. (Uptake has been 1/2 the
dismal Vista uptake, which tells you something...)

Moving up to the next generation of Compiler would be a good thing in my
eyes, but a lot of software doesn't need 64 bit versions.. (I suspect your
utilities probably are some of those...) - the WOW layer handles thunking
nicely so that 32 bit applications will run happily on 64 bit OS's.. Compile
for 32 bit in all cases because the last version that had 16 bit support was
XP as I remember.....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

> I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3
> Utility,
> P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with
> a
> 2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
> Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
> Windows 98 SE.
>
>
> I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
> generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
> Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>
>
>
> Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>
>
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
>
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Grant Youngman

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

if we're going back that far, is anyone out there still running CP/M or Phimon, or using switches to toggle in machine code one byte at a time? Or worrying about the behavior of thunks in Algol and side effects of call by name, or perhaps whether all of the filaments in the tubes in the 64-bit accumulator are ok?

:D Grant NQ5T

On May 28, 2013, at 5:05 PM, "Bill Blomgren" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> In the commercial world, 98 went by the wayside back when MS dropped support for it... which was somewhere in the 2000's as I remember. (I never supported 98.. I was only in the server world there.)
>
> Considering the age of the computers that -can- run 98 these days, they are .. well... OLD. I have 1 down in Charlotte that I didn't bump to XP only because I had a film scanner from Polaroid (4000 pixels per inch) that did an incredible job.. but had software that ONLY ran on 98. 4 weeks after I bought that puppy ($1500 then) - Polaroid went belly up. So there have been NO updates for the drivers and guts of the scanning software. <sigh>
>
> But I don't know anyone still running 98 or ME at this point. None. LOTS of people on Linux, Mac, and Windows XP and 7. A few running Vista.. I don't know of anyone running 8 at this point. (Uptake has been 1/2 the dismal Vista uptake, which tells you something...)
>
> Moving up to the next generation of Compiler would be a good thing in my eyes, but a lot of software doesn't need 64 bit versions.. (I suspect your utilities probably are some of those...) - the WOW layer handles thunking nicely so that 32 bit applications will run happily on 64 bit OS's.. Compile for 32 bit in all cases because the last version that had 16 bit support was XP as I remember.....
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
>
>
>> I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
>> P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with a
>> 2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
>> Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
>> Windows 98 SE.
>>
>>
>> I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
>> generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
>> Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
>> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>
>>
>>
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Bill Blomgren

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

Heh.. I wrote my own bios for CP/M - it got so big I ended up putting most
of CP/M in a second page of memory on my system. (and the bios had warnings
for my compiles that would pop up on the screen screaming "Warning Will
Robinson.. BIOS stomper" and the like...

(I did a lot of Z-80 assembly work back in the old old days.. Not
necessarily "good" but now far enough back that the creatures I was working
on are now dinosaurs. A Disk Operating system for a medical company based on
use of a parallel port to did a single bit to transfer data? AEEEIII!!!!)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Youngman" <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email] List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

> if we're going back that far, is anyone out there still running CP/M or
> Phimon, or using switches to toggle in machine code one byte at a time?
> Or worrying about the behavior of thunks in Algol and side effects of call
> by name, or perhaps whether all of the filaments in the tubes in the
> 64-bit accumulator are ok?
>
> :D Grant NQ5T
>
>
> On May 28, 2013, at 5:05 PM, "Bill Blomgren" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> In the commercial world, 98 went by the wayside back when MS dropped
>> support for it... which was somewhere in the 2000's as I remember. (I
>> never supported 98.. I was only in the server world there.)
>>
>> Considering the age of the computers that -can- run 98 these days, they
>> are .. well... OLD. I have 1 down in Charlotte that I didn't bump to XP
>> only because I had a film scanner from Polaroid (4000 pixels per inch)
>> that did an incredible job.. but had software that ONLY ran on 98. 4
>> weeks after I bought that puppy ($1500 then) - Polaroid went belly up.
>> So there have been NO updates for the drivers and guts of the scanning
>> software. <sigh>
>>
>> But I don't know anyone still running 98 or ME at this point. None.
>> LOTS of people on Linux, Mac, and Windows XP and 7. A few running
>> Vista.. I don't know of anyone running 8 at this point. (Uptake has been
>> 1/2 the dismal Vista uptake, which tells you something...)
>>
>> Moving up to the next generation of Compiler would be a good thing in my
>> eyes, but a lot of software doesn't need 64 bit versions.. (I suspect
>> your utilities probably are some of those...) - the WOW layer handles
>> thunking nicely so that 32 bit applications will run happily on 64 bit
>> OS's.. Compile for 32 bit in all cases because the last version that had
>> 16 bit support was XP as I remember.....
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
>>
>>
>>> I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3
>>> Utility,
>>> P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility)
>>> with a
>>> 2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the
>>> Microsoft
>>> Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
>>> Windows 98 SE.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
>>> generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
>>> Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't
>>> many.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
>>> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you
>>> have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Grant Youngman

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

It was fun on those days!!!! :)

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On May 28, 2013, at 5:26 PM, "Bill Blomgren" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Heh.. I wrote my own bios for CP/M - it got so big I ended up putting most of CP/M in a second page of memory on my system. (and the bios had warnings for my compiles that would pop up on the screen screaming "Warning Will Robinson.. BIOS stomper" and the like...
>
> (I did a lot of Z-80 assembly work back in the old old days.. Not necessarily "good" but now far enough back that the creatures I was working on are now dinosaurs. A Disk Operating system for a medical company based on use of a parallel port to did a single bit to transfer data? AEEEIII!!!!)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Youngman" <[hidden email]>
> To: "[hidden email] List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
>
>
>> if we're going back that far, is anyone out there still running CP/M or Phimon, or using switches to toggle in machine code one byte at a time? Or worrying about the behavior of thunks in Algol and side effects of call by name, or perhaps whether all of the filaments in the tubes in the 64-bit accumulator are ok?
>>
>> :D Grant NQ5T
>>
>>
>> On May 28, 2013, at 5:05 PM, "Bill Blomgren" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> In the commercial world, 98 went by the wayside back when MS dropped support for it... which was somewhere in the 2000's as I remember. (I never supported 98.. I was only in the server world there.)
>>>
>>> Considering the age of the computers that -can- run 98 these days, they are .. well... OLD. I have 1 down in Charlotte that I didn't bump to XP only because I had a film scanner from Polaroid (4000 pixels per inch) that did an incredible job.. but had software that ONLY ran on 98. 4 weeks after I bought that puppy ($1500 then) - Polaroid went belly up. So there have been NO updates for the drivers and guts of the scanning software. <sigh>
>>>
>>> But I don't know anyone still running 98 or ME at this point. None. LOTS of people on Linux, Mac, and Windows XP and 7. A few running Vista.. I don't know of anyone running 8 at this point. (Uptake has been 1/2 the dismal Vista uptake, which tells you something...)
>>>
>>> Moving up to the next generation of Compiler would be a good thing in my eyes, but a lot of software doesn't need 64 bit versions.. (I suspect your utilities probably are some of those...) - the WOW layer handles thunking nicely so that 32 bit applications will run happily on 64 bit OS's.. Compile for 32 bit in all cases because the last version that had 16 bit support was XP as I remember.....
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
>>>> P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with a
>>>> 2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
>>>> Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
>>>> Windows 98 SE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
>>>> generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
>>>> Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
>>>> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>
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EricJ-2

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

In reply to this post by Dick Dievendorff

Anyone running Windows 98 is probably running a rig made by E.F. Johnson
or R.L Drake so you are probably safe in not supporting them for Elecraft.

Eric

On 5/28/2013 2:23 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

> I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
> P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with a
> 2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
> Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
> Windows 98 SE.
>
>
> I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
> generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
> Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>
>
>
> Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>
>
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
>
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Matt Zilmer

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

In reply to this post by Dick Dievendorff

There will be a lot of chaff coming after your post re compilers,
Dick. For my own part, I *try* to stay with supported operating
systems. Can't always do it that way, but today I'm running Win7-64.
W7-64 will handle Win32 of all stripes. Until recently I was running
XP, but it was about to go off support at M$, so time to upgrade.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Tue, 28 May 2013 14:23:05 -0700, you wrote:

>I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
>P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with a
>2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
>Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
>Windows 98 SE.
>
>
>I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
>generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
>Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>
>
>
>Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.
>
>
>
>Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
>Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>
>
>
>Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
>
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k6dgw

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

In reply to this post by EricJ-2

The world is filled with "I go back farther than you" folks, just as it
is filled with comedians. :-))

In all seriousness, thanks for asking ... only Elecraft would have
posted such a question before just changing, usually without notice.
Not a problem for me, XP and W7 only here [not counting all the Android
stuff in the pockets of my cargo shorts and my wife's purse].

There *are* contesters still using TR-Log under MS-DOS so it's certainly
possible that someone is still using W98. Some vendors will archive the
latest copy of the obsolete SW and make it available to users for a
period of time. No more updates or support, so new K-stuff
hardware/firmware that might require updated utilities won't be
available to those users, but it does give them a "grace period" before
they need to upgrade their platform[s].

Again, thanks for asking.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
- www.cqp.org

> On 5/28/2013 2:23 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

>> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
>> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.

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RobertG

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

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I know a few folks still running XP - I upgraded to W7 only last year -
but I haven't run into any 98SE folks/machines in several years, in or
out of the ham community.

...robert

> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>
>
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

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Dick,

I would think that most users are running XP and above at this point in
time.
A wise user will not connect a computer running a no longer supported OS
to the internet because it is prone to virus attacks and other 'nasties'.

I am fighting the same decision point as Win XP will not be supported
after March 2014, so I will be forced to upgrade to Win 7 or another OS
to keep my computers connected to the internet. Right now, I do not
think much of Win8, so I put that in the books with Win ME and Vista. I
may move my ham station and workbench computers to Ubuntu because of the
cost of the upgrade to Win7, but that decision remains to be seen as the
March 2014 date approaches.

I would suggest that those customers using Win 98 and Win2K are far and
few between, and you should move to the newer compiler. Those were good
operating systems, but I would not connect any of those to the internet
for surfing safety reasons.
It would be nice if the new compiler would be 'backwards compatible' as
many applications were (with great difficulty) when I was working at
IBM. That 'backwards capability' was a cord that had to be severed at
some point in time. Win 98 is now gone by the wayside for many years,
and I believe that support for it could be dropped with only problems
from a very few customers.

Perhaps there are a few that would want to use 'sneaker net' and
download the firmware update files on an internet connected computer and
then transport those files to a non-supported OS computer on a USB stick
or other media, but I would think that would be the exception rather
than the rule. Just my humble opinion. If that number is large enough
for consideration, you would need to keep the old compiler, but that
remains to be seen in the responses that you receive.

73,
Don W3FPR

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/28/2013 5:23 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

In reply to this post by Dick Dievendorff

I certainly don't know of any ... microHAM has left the last version
of Router that supported Win98 hang around on the web site but it
only supports interfaces that had been released at the time that
version was current. As far as I can tell there haven't been any
downloads of that file in three or four years. I suspect official
support for XP will be dropped in early 2014 when Microsoft ends
extended support for XP.

I suspect you're safe dropping Win98 support - I would not let that
(or support for 16 bit Windows period) keep me from using the
improved compilers.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 5/28/2013 5:23 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

Tony Estep

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

In reply to this post by Bill Blomgren

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Bill Blomgren <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ... I wrote my own bios for CP/M...

==========

Yeah, me too. I could still write assembly code as far as the 8086, but
after that it got out of hand.

But re the point of this thread: doesn't seem right to keep using an
8-yr-old compiler just for the benefit of those few who are running
machines of the y2k vintage. A lot has changed in C++ class libraries,
linkers etc. since 2005.

Tony KT0NY
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Bill Blomgren

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

Agreed wholeheartedly
Shoot, if one of the api's used by the ancient compiler "goes away" at some
point, movement would be required in any case.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Estep" <[hidden email]>
To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Bill Blomgren <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> ... I wrote my own bios for CP/M...
>
> ==========
>
> Yeah, me too. I could still write assembly code as far as the 8086, but
> after that it got out of hand.
>
> But re the point of this thread: doesn't seem right to keep using an
> 8-yr-old compiler just for the benefit of those few who are running
> machines of the y2k vintage. A lot has changed in C++ class libraries,
> linkers etc. since 2005.
>
>
> Tony KT0NY
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wb4jfi

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

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I still have a working IMSAI computer with 3 SA800 disk drives and an H19
terminal. Plus in storage an Altair 8800 an Altrair 8800b turnkey, an extra
H19 terminal, and a bunch of S100 boards. And a Xerox-820 in a homebrew
portable case, just like an Osborne, which I used to us as a 'satellite
simulator" when working with AX.25 and AO-27 command stuff. I have most of
the old CP/M and SIG/U user group disks as well. I dumped the Diablo 620(?)
printer when I moved....
73, Terry, WB4JFI

-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Youngman
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 6:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

if we're going back that far, is anyone out there still running CP/M or
Phimon, or using switches to toggle in machine code one byte at a time? Or
worrying about the behavior of thunks in Algol and side effects of call by
name, or perhaps whether all of the filaments in the tubes in the 64-bit
accumulator are ok?

:D Grant NQ5T

On May 28, 2013, at 5:05 PM, "Bill Blomgren" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> In the commercial world, 98 went by the wayside back when MS dropped
> support for it... which was somewhere in the 2000's as I remember. (I
> never supported 98.. I was only in the server world there.)
>
> Considering the age of the computers that -can- run 98 these days, they
> are .. well... OLD. I have 1 down in Charlotte that I didn't bump to XP
> only because I had a film scanner from Polaroid (4000 pixels per inch)
> that did an incredible job.. but had software that ONLY ran on 98. 4
> weeks after I bought that puppy ($1500 then) - Polaroid went belly up. So
> there have been NO updates for the drivers and guts of the scanning
> software. <sigh>
>
> But I don't know anyone still running 98 or ME at this point. None. LOTS
> of people on Linux, Mac, and Windows XP and 7. A few running Vista.. I
> don't know of anyone running 8 at this point. (Uptake has been 1/2 the
> dismal Vista uptake, which tells you something...)
>
> Moving up to the next generation of Compiler would be a good thing in my
> eyes, but a lot of software doesn't need 64 bit versions.. (I suspect your
> utilities probably are some of those...) - the WOW layer handles thunking
> nicely so that 32 bit applications will run happily on 64 bit OS's..
> Compile for 32 bit in all cases because the last version that had 16 bit
> support was XP as I remember.....
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
>
>
>> I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3
>> Utility,
>> P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility)
>> with a
>> 2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the
>> Microsoft
>> Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
>> Windows 98 SE.
>>
>>
>> I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
>> generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
>> Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't
>> many.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
>> Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>
>>
>>
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Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

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Dick,
I still use it. It works for some residual things I do. Everything else is XP or Win7. I've also run DOS 6.0. If it works, I might use it. I see no reason to blindly upgrade if it still works. I can see some of my friends cringing at this.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23:05 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with a
2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
Windows 98 SE.

I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP,
Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.

Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.

Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.

Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR

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Bill K9YEQ

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

Isn't the issue: do you use it for your Elecraft radios and if so would you
mind moving to your other OS's since you have them?

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

Dick,
I still use it. It works for some residual things I do. Everything else is
XP or Win7. I've also run DOS 6.0. If it works, I might use it. I see no
reason to blindly upgrade if it still works. I can see some of my friends
cringing at this.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23:05 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with a
2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
Windows 98 SE.

I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP, Windows
Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.

Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.

Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.

Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR

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N5GE

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

It wouldn't bother me any.

On Wed, 29 May 2013 20:39:34 -0500, Bill K9YEQ <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>Isn't the issue: do you use it for your Elecraft radios and if so would you
>mind moving to your other OS's since you have them?
>
>73,
>Bill
>K9YEQ
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email]
>[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:43 PM
>To: Dick Dievendorff
>Cc: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
>
>Dick,
>I still use it. It works for some residual things I do. Everything else is
>XP or Win7. I've also run DOS 6.0. If it works, I might use it. I see no
>reason to blindly upgrade if it still works. I can see some of my friends
>cringing at this.
>
>73,
>Barry
>K3NDM
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:23:05 PM
>Subject: [Elecraft] How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?
>
>I've been building the various Elecraft utilities (K3 Utility, KX3 Utility,
>P3 Utility, KPA Utility, XG3 Utility, K144XV Utility and XG3 Utility) with a
>2005-era compiler, because that's the most recent version of the Microsoft
>Visual Studio C++ compiler that generates executables that will run on
>Windows 98 SE.
>
>
>I'd like to move to a more modern compiler, but the resulting code they
>generate will run only on Windows XP and later. That is, Windows XP, Windows
>Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.
>
>
>
>Would you be inconvenienced by this change? I'm hoping there aren't many.
>
>
>
>Please let me know if you need the Windows versions of the Elecraft
>Utilities to run on Windows OS prior to Windows XP, and what OS you have.
>
>
>
>Thanks & 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
>
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ab2tc

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

It wouldn't bother me either. I just took the plunge XP to Windows 7 with success so far.

Knut - AB2TC

N5GE wrote

It wouldn't bother me any.

On Wed, 29 May 2013 20:39:34 -0500, Bill K9YEQ <[hidden email]>
wrote:
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: How many Windows users are using Windows 98 SE?

Administrator

Thanks guys - We can close this thread for now.

73,

Eric
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On 5/30/2013 11:44 AM, ab2tc wrote:
> It wouldn't bother me either. I just took the plunge XP to Windows 7 with
> success so far.
>
> Knut - AB2TC
>

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