Human CW copy speed
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I believe Bill Coleman wrote: >"That said, no one can copy a 99 wpm CW signal. The top QRQ guys are around 60 wpm." In speaking with Chuck Adams K7QO last fall over the phone he indicated to me that he had been clocked at 107 wpm on copying ability (I believe a record at that time...) That is just scary fast to me since I'm at the 15-18 wpm or so... Michael Sexsmith W7MSX _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:02:45AM -0700, Mike Sexsmith wrote:
> I believe Bill Coleman wrote: > > >"That said, no one can copy a 99 wpm CW signal. The top QRQ guys are > around 60 wpm." > > In speaking with Chuck Adams K7QO last fall over the phone he indicated to > me that he had been clocked at 107 wpm on copying ability (I believe a > record at that time...) The current record in RufzXP (the successor of the old DOS-Software RUFZ by DL4MM) is 916 LpM / 183.2 WpM, for single callsigns. Held by YO8RJV and myself. The old software was only capable of 735LpM/147WpM and quite a few persons copied that speed; the new RufzXP version doesn't have a speed limit, and I am sure very soon the 200 WpM barrier will fall. Current RufzXP-Highscore-List: http://www.rufzxp.net/toplist.htm Also PED used to be popular for QRQ training, running 150 QSOs in 10 minutes at 100 WpM is great fun; here is a recording I made: http://dl0tud.tu-dresden.de/~dj1yfk/1min.wav Of course this is only true for copying single callsigns. In plain text, there are numerous persons I know of (and I count myself to them) who can copy approximately 80 WpM. Most normal QRQ QSOs on the bands are limited to about 60WpM though, mostly due to limited transmitting capabilities (unless keyboards are used)... -- Fabian Kurz, DJ1YFK * Dresden, Germany * http://fkurz.net/ Online log: http://dl0tud.tu-dresden.de/~dj1yfk/log.html Elecraft K2#5054 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Mike Sexsmith wrote:
> In speaking with Chuck Adams K7QO last fall over the phone he indicated > to me that he had been clocked at 107 wpm on copying ability (I believe > a record at that time...) I think this was just (!!!) copying calls, but he can copy plain language pretty well too. He can also send unbelievably quickly with a paddle. If you are interested in how to do it, he tells you at <http://www.k7qo.net/sending.pdf>. I had the honor of meeting Chuck a number of years ago in Dallas. He probably has done as much or more to popularize QRP building and operation as well as CW as any other person I can think of. He's really a 'hero of amateur radio', in my opinion. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Wow! That didn't even sound like morse to me (20 wpm op). However, dragging
it into Windoze sound recorder, and hitting the "Decrease Speed" button 2 times, I get a reasonable contest exchange. It's actually pretty good code! My guess is about 25 wpm. it says: ra9ho tu zl1mh 5nn g qsl 5nn bk ... ... ... ra9ho 5nn qsl 5nn bk_?_ zl1mh tu The code is very good, but the spacing gets a little sloppy - JUST LIKE AT QRS speeds! Very interesting listen. Thanks for sharing! Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456 <snip> Also PED used to be popular for QRQ training, running 150 QSOs in 10 minutes at 100 WpM is great fun; here is a recording I made: http://dl0tud.tu-dresden.de/~dj1yfk/1min.wav </snip> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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107 WPM?? I knew he was fast, but wow.
On a really good day, when I've had lots of sleep, the kids are in another state, and I'm in "the zone" (glass of wine helps), I can copy 50 in my head. Don't ask me to write it down, though.... 107! Sheesh. Wayne N6KR On May 16, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Mike Sexsmith wrote: > > I believe Bill Coleman wrote: > >> "That said, no one can copy a 99 wpm CW signal. The top QRQ guys are > around 60 wpm." > > In speaking with Chuck Adams K7QO last fall over the phone he > indicated to me that he had been clocked at 107 wpm on copying ability > (I believe a record at that time...).... --- http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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FWIW: Officially (whatever that means), history records that the Morse
code plain text receiving champion is Ted McElroy, of tape perforator/keyer and bug fame at 75.?? WPM, counting 5 chars as a word. (Urban?) legend has it that he was standing as the test began and the code began blasting forth. He chatted for a minute or two, lighted a cigarette, and finally sat down at the mill. He pounded out the copy, and continued pounding for several minutes after the test stopped. Obviously, if the legend is true, Ted had a good memory. I think this all took place in the '30s. > and I'm in "the zone" (glass of wine helps), I can copy > 50 in my head. 2 or 3 glasses of wine and I can copy several hundred WPM in my head. Just don't ask me to tell you what was sent. Fred K6DGW Auburn CA CM98lw K2/100 #4398 KX1 #897 wayne burdick wrote: > 107 WPM?? I knew he was fast, but wow. > > On a really good day, when I've had lots of sleep, the kids are in > another state, and I'm in "the zone" (glass of wine helps), I can copy > 50 in my head. Don't ask me to write it down, though.... > > 107! Sheesh. > > Wayne > N6KR Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Here's the page and the information about the man
http://www.telegraph-office.com/pages/mcelroy.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Jensen" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: Human CW copy speed > FWIW: Officially (whatever that means), history records that the Morse > code plain text receiving champion is Ted McElroy, of tape > perforator/keyer and bug fame at 75.?? WPM, counting 5 chars as a word. <snip> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 10:24:47 -0700, Fred Jensen wrote about Ted
McElroy: > (Urban?) legend has it that he was standing as the test began and the >code began blasting forth. He chatted for a minute or two, lighted a >cigarette, and finally sat down at the mill. He pounded out the copy, >and continued pounding for several minutes after the test stopped. >Obviously, if the legend is true, Ted had a good memory. I think this >all took place in the '30s. I can't vouch for the above, but I can for the following incident in which I was a participant: As some on this reflector know, I was with the FCC in the San Francisco office for 28 years, retiring as the District Firector (then called the Engineer-in-Charge) almost 12 years ago. In the early 1970s I was, among many things, the code examiner for both amateur and commercial applicants. One day an old-timer came in, related that he had been a coast station operator at the RCA Coast Station KPH, and wanted to upgrade his Second Class Radiotelegraph License to First Class before he retired. To copy the 25 WPM plain text, he brought his own "mill" as was permitted. He sat down, asked if he could smoke (in those days it was OK in offices), put the paper in the "mill" and said "OK, start the tape". The venerable Boheme paper-tape reader started pounding out at 25 WPM. He took a cigarette out of his pocket, put it in his mouth, took a pack of matches from another pocket, lit the cigarette, dropped the matches on the floor, picked them up, and started typing. He pounded away and by the time the tape was finished had almost caught up. He took the paper from the mill, handed it to me, and said "Didn't think I could do it, sonny???" He had perfect copy. I wish that I was that good! -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane K2/100 sn 5402 - "real soon now" _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 5/16/06 4:30:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes: > He took a cigarette out of his pocket, put it in his mouth, took a > pack of matches from another pocket, lit the cigarette, dropped the > matches on the floor, picked them up, and started typing. He > pounded away and by the time the tape was finished had almost caught > up. He took the paper from the mill, handed it to me, and said > "Didn't think I could do it, sonny???" > Or something like this: http://hometown.aol.com/wa3iyc/myhomepage/photo.html 73 de Jim, N2EY ...wish I was that good, too.... _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: Re: Human CW copy speed
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I have a commercial CW license but I used it to service shipboard and
aircraft CW equipment (yes, long ago airliners used CW to keep in touch with the ground, especially when crossing the oceans). I never stood watches as a regular CW operator - just the occasional shakedown cruise aboard various ships along the west coast of the USA. But I had a great friend, K6ETY, who was a maritime radio operator in the merchant marine throughout WWII. Finally, in the 1970's he came ashore to stay working a regular CW operator at coastal station KPH north of San Francisco. I often worked that facility on CW doing radio checks from various ships. I visited Les at KPH one day. He took me around the operating positions introducing me to his buddies in what was called the "Den of Thieves" - the CW communications room in the basement of the receiving facility at KPH. I'll never forget his speaking to one of the operators who was sitting there with CW pouring out of the "cans" on his head and pounding on a mill (typewriter with all upper-case letters used for copying radiograms). The guy jumped up and shook my hand and we spoke for a bit, all the while I could hear the CW still bleating forth from the cans (commercial operators wore the cans forward of their ears with the volume up fairly high rather than on their ears so it was quite audible for a couple of feet around). After we talked for what seemed like quite a while he said "'cuse me" and reached for his bug to send "R" and then turned back to me while the CW continued almost without pause. When we quit chatting he sat back down and wailed at an incredible rate on that mill, finishing the message we had interrupted, pulled the finished message from the roller, inserted a new form and caught up to where the station was now sending. Mind you, this included dates, message numbers, word counts, addresses, phone numbers and the like in addition to the text, all of which he was storing in his head while we talked. It reminded me that a commercial license does not make a true professional operator. I was and still am a "Radio Amateur" in awe of what some real operators can do! KPH has a web site with many pictures of the CW operations there as they were from time the station was first launched in the 1920's up through the heyday of maritime CW in the 1960's and 70's. See http://www.radiomarine.org/kph-proj.html And at: http://www.radiomarine.org/historic-5.html You'll see my old friend, Les, in the top picture. If you work me today I may well be using that bug he has on the table (note the weight to slow it down. Yes, that's a real cable clamp needed to keep it down under 20 wpm - just like I use). Les became an SK in the 1990's and his widow passed his key on to me. Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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