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Bob-165

I've been thinking!

Not sure if this is a good question to ask or not?

I have a K3, actually 2 and I absolutely LOVE Them!

I also have a KX3 and I may even love it a little more than my K3s.

I am totally happy with both rigs, and if these are the last rigs to ever
be added to the Elecraft list of excellent transceivers, I would say that
Elecraft would go down in the history books as the Premier Pioneer in High
End Amateur transceivers.

However, ever since getting the KX3, I have had this question gnawing at
the back of my head and I am dying to ask, but FIRST PLEASE NOTE, I am
totally content and I really couldn't ask for more than what is presented
in both the K3 and KX3 radios.

OKAY, Here Goes!

Since the K3 is not an SDR (the way of the future) and the KX3 is, IS THERE
A K4 in the future?

Again, a desktop 100 watt self contained SDR like the KX3 but in a K3 type
form factor?

Just food for thought, anyone, ANYONE?

Thanks and 73.

Bob VE3UK
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: I've been thinking!

Bob,

Actually, the K3 is an SDR by all definitions I know about regarding
SDR. The functions of the radio can be modified by firmware download.
The fact that the K3 down converts to the 8 MHz IF range and then down
converts further to 15 kHz to inject the signal into an A to D converter
where the DSP is processed does not detract from the fact that it is an
SDR. Yes, there is no PC involved, the processor is inside the radio.

The KX3 is similar, the processor is inside the radio, but the
conversion is from the RF frequency direct to baseband - in other words,
the KX3 DSP is processed around zero frequency (unless the 8 kHz offset
is invoked).

So, I do not know your definition of SDR, but mine is quite literal -
the function of the radio can be controlled by software (firmware if you
choose). Download new firmware and the behavior of the K3 (and the KX3)
can be modified. I believe my view is consistent with the generalized
definition of SDR. Many hams will not agree because they believe that
without a PC connected, it is not an SDR.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/22/2012 8:08 PM, Bob wrote:

> Not sure if this is a good question to ask or not?
>
> I have a K3, actually 2 and I absolutely LOVE Them!
>
> I also have a KX3 and I may even love it a little more than my K3s.
>
> I am totally happy with both rigs, and if these are the last rigs to ever
> be added to the Elecraft list of excellent transceivers, I would say that
> Elecraft would go down in the history books as the Premier Pioneer in High
> End Amateur transceivers.
>
> However, ever since getting the KX3, I have had this question gnawing at
> the back of my head and I am dying to ask, but FIRST PLEASE NOTE, I am
> totally content and I really couldn't ask for more than what is presented
> in both the K3 and KX3 radios.
>
> OKAY, Here Goes!
>
> Since the K3 is not an SDR (the way of the future) and the KX3 is, IS THERE
> A K4 in the future?
>
> Again, a desktop 100 watt self contained SDR like the KX3 but in a K3 type
> form factor?
>
>

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tnnyswy

Re: I've been thinking!

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>>> Since the K3 is not an SDR <<<

I was of the impression that the K3 is a Software Define Radio.

(((73))) Milverton

>________________________________
> From: Bob <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:08 PM
>Subject: [Elecraft] I've been thinking!
>
>Not sure if this is a good question to ask or not?
>
>I have a K3, actually 2 and I absolutely LOVE Them!
>
>I also have a KX3 and I may even love it a little more than my K3s.
>
>I am totally happy with both rigs, and if these are the last rigs to ever
>be added to the Elecraft list of excellent transceivers, I would say that
>Elecraft would go down in the history books as the Premier Pioneer in High
>End Amateur transceivers.
>
>However, ever since getting the KX3, I have had this question gnawing at
>the back of my head and I am dying to ask, but FIRST PLEASE NOTE, I am
>totally content and I really couldn't ask for more than what is presented
>in both the K3 and KX3 radios.
>
>OKAY, Here Goes!
>
>Since the K3 is not an SDR (the way of the future) and the KX3 is, IS THERE
>A K4 in the future?
>
>Again, a desktop 100 watt self contained SDR like the KX3 but in a K3 type
>form factor?
>
>Just food for thought, anyone, ANYONE?
>
>Thanks and 73.
>
>Bob VE3UK
>www.MagLoop.com
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Mark Forsyth

Re: I've been thinking!

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>
> Since the K3 is not an SDR (the way of the future) and the KX3 is, IS
> THERE A K4 in the future?
>
> Again, a desktop 100 watt self contained SDR like the KX3 but in a K3
> type form factor?
>
> Just food for thought, anyone, ANYONE?

Hmmm. Thinking can be a dangerous thing. It can lead to all sorts of
financial damage.

Although my KX3 is my first Elecraft experience, I've been following
Elecraft and their product line for quite a while.

It seems to me that the folks at Elecraft have pretty fertile imaginations
and a willingness to follow through with ideas and turn them into great
products. Given that, I'd suggest that they have at the very least discussed
future whizz-bangery and have perhaps even reached the "jotting down of
ideas" stage for their next radio.

Having said that I tend to be somewhat agnostic about radios. For my
purposes my F-817 was the best thing going for a very long time. It's now
been replaced by my KX3. Maybe at some time in the future a radio that suits
my operating style and needs better than the KX3 will come along and maybe
that radio will be developed by Elecraft. Hopefully it will be but only time
will tell.

Cheers,
Vk3ZMF

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David Gilbert

Re: I've been thinking!

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Please explain why you think the K3 is not a software defined radio. By
every definition of SDR that I'm aware of, the K3 most certainly is.

Dave AB7E

On 12/22/2012 6:08 PM, Bob wrote:
>
> Since the K3 is not an SDR (the way of the future)
>
> Bob VE3UK
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Gary Gregory-2

Re: I've been thinking!

Dave,

I agree that the K3 is an SDR by definition, one of the many reasons I was
an early adoptee.

Having said that, is there a front end software package that emulates all
of the K3 FW settings, provides a good SDR like screen such as PowerSDR
etc, that has been developed for the K3?

I know a lot of Flex users will roll their eyes at such a thought but as I
have not come across one I was just wondering........

I prefer the K3 as it is but some may like the Flex way of operating.

73's
Gary

On 23 December 2012 14:23, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Please explain why you think the K3 is not a software defined radio. By
> every definition of SDR that I'm aware of, the K3 most certainly is.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
> On 12/22/2012 6:08 PM, Bob wrote:
>
>>
>> Since the K3 is not an SDR (the way of the future)
>>
>> Bob VE3UK
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David Gilbert

Re: I've been thinking!

That's a user interface issue, not a functional issue. Cell phones, for
example, are SDRs ... some have buttons, some have keyboards, some have
touch (i.e., "swipe") screens, etc ... but they are all fundamentally
SDRs. If you want to criticize the K3 because Elecraft didn't provide a
different user interface, fine ... but there is no such thing as a
"SDR-like screen". The term SDR has nothing to do with the user interface.

And no, I don't know of any front end package that would do what you
suggest since there is no port on the K3 to access the data lines you'd
need for it.

Dave AB7E

On 12/22/2012 8:39 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I agree that the K3 is an SDR by definition, one of the many reasons I
> was an early adoptee.
>
> Having said that, is there a front end software package that emulates
> all of the K3 FW settings, provides a good SDR like screen such as
> PowerSDR etc, that has been developed for the K3?
>
> I know a lot of Flex users will roll their eyes at such a thought but
> as I have not come across one I was just wondering........
>
> I prefer the K3 as it is but some may like the Flex way of operating.
>
> 73's
> Gary
>
> On 23 December 2012 14:23, David Gilbert <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>
> Please explain why you think the K3 is not a software defined
> radio. By every definition of SDR that I'm aware of, the K3 most
> certainly is.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
> On 12/22/2012 6:08 PM, Bob wrote:
>
>
> Since the K3 is not an SDR (the way of the future)
>
> Bob VE3UK
> www.MagLoop.com <http://www.MagLoop.com>
>
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N0AZZ

Re: I've been thinking!

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Having ran a couple of true SDR's I decided that I did not like one for a
radio that I had to use all the time. They fell short on receivers for one
thing and were tied to a computer for another. The computer caused another
set of problems itself and the fact no power no radio. The last one I used
was SRD-IQ and it was used as a Panadpter for my FTDX-5000MP there again a
computer was required.

For me a computer is required in the shack, but just not for use as a main
radio. JMHO...

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I've been thinking!

Dave,

I agree that the K3 is an SDR by definition, one of the many reasons I was
an early adoptee.

Having said that, is there a front end software package that emulates all of
the K3 FW settings, provides a good SDR like screen such as PowerSDR etc,
that has been developed for the K3?

I know a lot of Flex users will roll their eyes at such a thought but as I
have not come across one I was just wondering........

I prefer the K3 as it is but some may like the Flex way of operating.

73's
Gary

On 23 December 2012 14:23, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Please explain why you think the K3 is not a software defined radio.
> By every definition of SDR that I'm aware of, the K3 most certainly is.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
> On 12/22/2012 6:08 PM, Bob wrote:
>
>>
>> Since the K3 is not an SDR (the way of the future)
>>
>> Bob VE3UK
>> www.MagLoop.com
>>
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Edward R Cole

Re: I've been thinking!

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Gary, VK1ZZ:

Not sure what you mean by "front end", but Elecraft chose to design
the K3 with the digital signal processor included (embedded) in the
radio. They also developed the software which defines operation of
the radio (SDR= software defined radio). At the time this was
developed SDR's were not very plentiful for the amateur market and
the few available most often did not come with software; the buyer
had to "roll his own" (e.g. be a software designer). This held down
the appeal of SDR for a good while. The K3 came complete with
software and processor included which required no external
computer. Elecraft chose to call the software "firmware" as it was
downloaded into non-volatile memory. Thus is was firm until a new
version was downloaded.

However, Elecraft did not provide external connection to the IQ data
stream or baseband so no second-party sw could be used using a
computer. That was both good and bad: good such that the radio was
stabile since firmware was under Elecraft product reliability
control, but bad for use of any other sw programs.

In the KX3 they have provided external IQ baseband output so one can
try any number of SDR programs with the KX3 (caveat is you may need a
bit more understanding of computers to actually get many to work with
it). I suspect that there will be many sw gurus that will come
forward with versions to work with the KX3. Of course one will need
a computer with good soundcard to run them.

In time I will probably play with trying other sw with the KX3. JT65
and JT9 probably the first. They will not provide full access to the
control panel, though. Maybe PowerSDR can be modified to work with
the KX3? Drivers must be developed for each radio that one uses a sw
radio program (and that is hard part).

73, Ed - KL7UW

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N0AZZ

Re: I've been thinking!

Ed

Your right the WSJT modes at QRP power opens up a whole new world to the KX3
and with the new JT9 mode the possibality of QRP DX on 40/80/160m like never
before.

I've been trying very hard to convince myself of all the reasons that I
don't need a KX3, the list grows shorter...........

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:25 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I've been thinking!

Gary, VK1ZZ:

Not sure what you mean by "front end", but Elecraft chose to design the K3
with the digital signal processor included (embedded) in the radio. They
also developed the software which defines operation of the radio (SDR=
software defined radio). At the time this was developed SDR's were not
very plentiful for the amateur market and the few available most often did
not come with software; the buyer
had to "roll his own" (e.g. be a software designer). This held down
the appeal of SDR for a good while. The K3 came complete with software and
processor included which required no external computer. Elecraft chose to
call the software "firmware" as it was downloaded into non-volatile memory.
Thus is was firm until a new version was downloaded.

However, Elecraft did not provide external connection to the IQ data stream
or baseband so no second-party sw could be used using a computer. That was
both good and bad: good such that the radio was stabile since firmware was
under Elecraft product reliability control, but bad for use of any other sw
programs.

In the KX3 they have provided external IQ baseband output so one can try any
number of SDR programs with the KX3 (caveat is you may need a bit more
understanding of computers to actually get many to work with it). I suspect
that there will be many sw gurus that will come forward with versions to
work with the KX3. Of course one will need a computer with good soundcard
to run them.

In time I will probably play with trying other sw with the KX3. JT65 and
JT9 probably the first. They will not provide full access to the control
panel, though. Maybe PowerSDR can be modified to work with the KX3?
Drivers must be developed for each radio that one uses a sw radio program
(and that is hard part).

73, Ed - KL7UW

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tnnyswy

Re: I've been thinking!

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WHOOOOOOA!!!!!!!!!

>>> At the time this was developed SDR's were not very plentiful for the
amateur market and the few available most often did not come with
software; the buyer had to "roll his own" (e.g. be a software designer). <<<

The Koolaid drinking is becoming Intoxicating around here!

I got me a couple of questions
1) Anyone remembers the "Kenwood TS- B2000"? - The very first so call KNOBLESS RADIO

2) Anyone remembers what the "Acronym" DSP stand for?
3) Anyone remembers the "Kenwood -TS 850S with the DSP-100"

(((73))) Milverton.

>________________________________
> From: Edward R Cole <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I've been thinking!
>
>Gary, VK1ZZ:
>
>Not sure what you mean by "front end", but Elecraft chose to design the K3 with the digital signal processor included (embedded) in the radio. They also developed the software which defines operation of the radio (SDR= software defined radio). At the time this was developed SDR's were not very plentiful for the amateur market and the few available most often did not come with software; the buyer had to "roll his own" (e.g. be a software designer). This held down the appeal of SDR for a good while. The K3 came complete with software and processor included which required no external computer. Elecraft chose to call the software "firmware" as it was downloaded into non-volatile memory. Thus is was firm until a new version was downloaded.
>
>However, Elecraft did not provide external connection to the IQ data stream or baseband so no second-party sw could be used using a computer. That was both good and bad: good such that the radio was stabile since firmware was under Elecraft product reliability control, but bad for use of any other sw programs.
>
>In the KX3 they have provided external IQ baseband output so one can try any number of SDR programs with the KX3 (caveat is you may need a bit more understanding of computers to actually get many to work with it). I suspect that there will be many sw gurus that will come forward with versions to work with the KX3. Of course one will need a computer with good soundcard to run them.
>
>In time I will probably play with trying other sw with the KX3. JT65 and JT9 probably the first. They will not provide full access to the control panel, though. Maybe PowerSDR can be modified to work with the KX3? Drivers must be developed for each radio that one uses a sw radio program (and that is hard part).
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
>
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Nate Bargmann

Re: I've been thinking!

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I wonder if in the amateur radio world 'SDR' is now synonymous with a
point and click interface much the same was as 'CW' is now synonymous
with Morse Code? Would be a pity if we allow another term to be so
limited.

Merry Christmas!

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Re: I've been thinking!

No it's just a "Software Defined Radio" one that can be upgraded with a
firmware download.

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I've been thinking!

I wonder if in the amateur radio world 'SDR' is now synonymous with a point
and click interface much the same was as 'CW' is now synonymous with Morse
Code? Would be a pity if we allow another term to be so limited.

Merry Christmas!

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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George Danner

Re: I've been thinking!

Guys,
Try for what appears to be a good definition:
http://www.wirelessinnovation.org/assets/documents/SoftwareDefinedRadio.pdf

73 - Merry Christmas
George
AI4VZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:40 AM
To: 'Nate Bargmann' ; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I've been thinking!

No it's just a "Software Defined Radio" one that can be upgraded with a
firmware download.

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To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I've been thinking!

I wonder if in the amateur radio world 'SDR' is now synonymous with a point
and click interface much the same was as 'CW' is now synonymous with Morse
Code? Would be a pity if we allow another term to be so limited.

Merry Christmas!

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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Bill Frantz

Re: I've been thinking!

In reply to this post by Edward R Cole

I am one of those hams that is always changing my shack
equipment. I feel a little embarrassed if I use the same radio
setup two days in a row. (But not so embarrassed that I don't do
it quite frequently.) Edward has the germ of an interesting
product idea that might appeal to hams like me: A computer
package that makes building a SDR as easy as an Arduino makes
building a digital controller. This package could come with
building blocks such as software mixers, software filters, and
software coders/decoders which can be connected to each other
and to user interface elements to build a radio. Obviously it
should be straight forward to define and add your own elements.
This package would make it easy to experiment with new
modulation schemes and many other aspects of radio design. The
KX3 with its I/Q interface would be a useful analog platform for
this software.

Another idea that might have broad appeal to Elecraft users is
pure software control package for the K3/KX3 which would allow
travelers to operate their home radios from anywhere with an
internet connection using a laptop or even a pad. A K3/0 is a
really big box to take on a business trip or vacation, but many
people are already taking a laptop or a pad along.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV/1

On 12/22/12 at 12:24 AM, [hidden email] (Edward R Cole) wrote:

>In the KX3 they have provided external IQ baseband output so
>one can try any number of SDR programs with the KX3 (caveat is
>you may need a bit more understanding of computers to actually
>get many to work with it). I suspect that there will be many
>sw gurus that will come forward with versions to work with the
>KX3. Of course one will need a computer with good soundcard to
>run them.
>
>In time I will probably play with trying other sw with the
>KX3. JT65 and JT9 probably the first. They will not provide
>full access to the control panel, though. Maybe PowerSDR can
>be modified to work with the KX3? Drivers must be developed
>for each radio that one uses a sw radio program (and that is
>hard part).

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Ray Cadmus

Re: I've been thinking!

You may want to check out GnuRadio at:
http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki

It looks very much like what you wished for :-)

Regards,

ray W0PFO

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On 12/23/2012 10:02 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> Edward has the germ of an interesting product idea that might appeal
> to hams like me: A computer package that makes building a SDR as easy
> as an Arduino makes building a digital controller. This package could
> come with building blocks such as software mixers, software filters,
> and software coders/decoders which can be connected to each other and
> to user interface elements to build a radio. Obviously it should be
> straight forward to define and add your own elements. This package
> would make it easy to experiment with new modulation schemes and many
> other aspects of radio design. The KX3 with its I/Q interface would be
> a useful analog platform for this software.

Mitch Wolfson, DJØQN / K7DX

Re: I've been thinking!

In reply to this post by Bill Frantz

Bill,

There is already a solution available for accessing for K3 remotely
without the K3/0. If you have your home K3 already setup with the
RemoteRig RRC, then all you need to access on the road is the "dongle"
from RemoteRig called the "RRC Micro PC Client".

See http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=28 for details.

Of course, this requires a software rig interface (HRD or any other
control software) and has no interface for a paddle, but otherwise
offers you full access while on the road.

The K3/0 offers you the "real experience" as if you are sitting in front
of your K3, plus has paddle support. As you say, it is not always
possible to carry that with you.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN

On 23.12.2012 17:02, Bill Frantz wrote:

> I am one of those hams that is always changing my shack equipment. I
> feel a little embarrassed if I use the same radio setup two days in a
> row. (But not so embarrassed that I don't do it quite frequently.)
> Edward has the germ of an interesting product idea that might appeal
> to hams like me: A computer package that makes building a SDR as easy
> as an Arduino makes building a digital controller. This package could
> come with building blocks such as software mixers, software filters,
> and software coders/decoders which can be connected to each other and
> to user interface elements to build a radio. Obviously it should be
> straight forward to define and add your own elements. This package
> would make it easy to experiment with new modulation schemes and many
> other aspects of radio design. The KX3 with its I/Q interface would be
> a useful analog platform for this software.
>
>
> Another idea that might have broad appeal to Elecraft users is pure
> software control package for the K3/KX3 which would allow travelers to
> operate their home radios from anywhere with an internet connection
> using a laptop or even a pad. A K3/0 is a really big box to take on a
> business trip or vacation, but many people are already taking a laptop
> or a pad along.
>
> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV/1
>
> On 12/22/12 at 12:24 AM, [hidden email] (Edward R Cole) wrote:
>
>> In the KX3 they have provided external IQ baseband output so one can
>> try any number of SDR programs with the KX3 (caveat is you may need a
>> bit more understanding of computers to actually get many to work with
>> it). I suspect that there will be many sw gurus that will come
>> forward with versions to work with the KX3. Of course one will need
>> a computer with good soundcard to run them.
>>
>> In time I will probably play with trying other sw with the KX3. JT65
>> and JT9 probably the first. They will not provide full access to the
>> control panel, though. Maybe PowerSDR can be modified to work with
>> the KX3? Drivers must be developed for each radio that one uses a sw
>> radio program (and that is hard part).
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bill Frantz |"We used to quip that "password" is the most common
> 408-356-8506 | password. Now it's 'password1.' Who said users
> haven't
> www.pwpconsult.com | learned anything about security?" -- Bruce Schneier
>
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George Danner

Thanks

In reply to this post by Ray Cadmus

Thank You all at Elecraft who work all year to further our hobby.

You are a pleasure to deal with.

May you all have a very Happy & Prosperous New Year! ! ! !

73
George
AI4VZ
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