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Re: Icom IC-7300

If the 991 is so good why did Sherwood rank it below the ancient 706?
Ron
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Al,

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
test equipment?

If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.

Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios. I
expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features
that are expensive options elsewhere.

Al Gulseth wrote:

> Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs
> (sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas,
> Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
> between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)
>
> Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the ladies
> with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)
>
> 73, Al
>
> On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:
>> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
>> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>>
>> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>>
>>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Henry - K4TMC
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to
>>> it with the FT-991.
>>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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Hi Phil,

Just to clarify: Both the KX3 and K3/K3S are SDRs. A major difference between these rigs and something like the IC-7300 or Flex 6xxx series is that our A-to-D converters (ADCs) are protected from wideband interference by a narrowband I.F. The K3/K3S uses crystal filters, while the KX3 uses precision, narrowband low-pass filters.

In direct-sampling SDRs, the ADC is right at the front end of the radio, protected only by wideband LC filters. The result is typically 15-20 dB lower blocking dynamic range. More subtle is the effect of multiple signals, which can combine in phase to hit the limit of the ADC, resulting in unwanted images.

It's a tradeoff; a direct-sampling SDR can allow you to look at multiple MHz of bandwidth on its spectrum display, if that's of interest.

Wayne
N6KR

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Thanks for addressing what to me is the core issue with any rig -- performance. A "bells and whistles" user interface -- and that can be a matter of personal preference -- may sell a lot of rigs, but to me performance is key in selecting a base station transceiver. I can compromise performance for special applications like portable ops, QRP, etc. but I want my main station radio to be near the top of the list in the Sherwoodian sense.
>
> After looking at the information here http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx an in the pdf file linked here: http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746
> and from the general appearance of the Icom-7300 (ports, controls, etc.) I don't expect it to be near the top when Rob Sherwood tests it. Of course, it hinges on a number of factors -- including those you brought up below -- and I could be surprised. Even so, while I'm not spring-loaded against SDR rigs (the KX3 is basically an SDR radio, after all, and I enjoy mine), I can do without a touch-screen interface. But I've been at this for 62 years now, so maybe I'm just "old fashioned" :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 9/3/15 1:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not
>>> upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR in convention looking
>>> hardware. I am confident that they will be releasing a whole line of
>>> stand alone SDR rigs...
>>
>> The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses in the front end of the
>> 7300 and how clean (phase noise) they can make the synthesizer (clock).
>>
>> If they have enough ADC bits to provide dynamic range, their claimed
>> synthesizer phase noise comparison should put the 7300 at about the
>> same level as the Ten-Tec Eagle in the Sherwood "chart" (e.g., 92-95
>> dB IMDDR3, -134 dBc @ 10 KHz phase noise, 125-130 dB 100 KHz blocking
>> [ADC limited]).
>>
>> If Icom "cheaps out" and uses an ADC with limited resolution (number of
>> bits) like some of its commercial products, the 7300 is likely to fall
>> way down the list - into the neighborhood of the IC-7000 or FT-2000.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/2015 3:19 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote:
>>> Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc
>>> needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of
>>> soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the
>>> IC7300, most of the time you will likely be using the most commonly used
>>> functions which appear to be tied the physical knobs and buttons, and not
>>> have to touch the screen that much.
>>>
>>> SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the way now, and I think this is
>>> Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan
>>> base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident
>>> that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs...
>>>
>>> I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love Elecraft and love supporting
>>> a made in North American brand, but frankly am confused as to why Elecraft
>>> isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Bob
>
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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I was at the Tokyo Ham Fair and got to spend a minute or so with one of
the four on display. There was a crowd looking at them. I won't
comment on specs but just give a first impression.
It's smaller than a K3. The front panel does not appear to be
detachable. The display is easy to read. I was intrigued by the SD-slot
- probably has several uses. Subjectively I would prefer this one over
the FT-991 mainly due to the screen and its general layout of controls.
Rest assured I won't be trading my K3 for one, but will be interested in
performance and reliability after they are released.

73 de David VK5DG

On 4/09/2015 07:56, W2CTX via Elecraft wrote:

> If the 991 is so good why did Sherwood rank it below the ancient 706?
> Ron
> From: bs usb <[hidden email]>
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> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 4:42 PM
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>
> Al,
>
> Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
> test equipment?
>
> If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.
>
> Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios. I
> expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features
> that are expensive options elsewhere.
>
>
>
> Al Gulseth wrote:
>> Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs
>> (sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas,
>> Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
>> between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)
>>
>> Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the ladies
>> with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)
>>
>> 73, Al
>>
>> On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:
>>> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
>>> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>>>
>>> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>>>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
>>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>>>
>>>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Henry - K4TMC
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to
>>>> it with the FT-991.
>>>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>>> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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If you are alone on the band, then you probably won't notice any difference. When the band gets crowded, however, you'll start to deal with QRM. some of that QRM will be from people transmitting "dirty" signals, but if your receiver has distortion, some of the "QRM" you hear will be "generated" by the receiver itself as signals get mixed together. It is hard enough to hear that weak station with all the QRM on the band without having your receiver add "QRM" of its own. We care about the lab measurements because they help indicate whether the receiver is likely to be the weakest link or not.
The following short article from W8JI may help explain this better:http://bit.ly/1UvIRHW
73, Matt VK2RQ

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Al,

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
test equipment?

If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Icom IC-7300

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Thanks for the explanation, Wayne. Funny thing is
that I never think of the K3 as *functionally* an
SDR radio, I guess because I don't have access to
the I/Q signal -- unless it accessible in some
sneaky way I don't know about. OTOH in principle
it seems one could take the I/Q output of the KX3
and build their own "back end", playing all sorts
of games -- not that I plan such an adventure.
However, last Summer I did build one of the Tiny
Python Panadapters in the April 2014 QST which was
a fun project made possible by the KX3's I/Q port,
though I soon replaced it by the much more capable
PX3.

Aside from its "cosmetic" features, which don't
particularly appeal to me, the Icom-7300 looks
like a radio not well suited for operation in
crowded bands, DX pile-up situations, a
strong-signal environment or Field Day. It will be
interesting to see what the QST and Sherwood tests
reveal.

There are some SDR dongles which will provide a
"look at multiple MHz of bandwidth" at very low
cost :-) Such a capability can be useful in
monitoring a band you're not currently operating.

73, Phil W7OX

On 9/3/15 3:47 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Hi Phil,
>
> Just to clarify: Both the KX3 and K3/K3S are SDRs. A major difference between these rigs and something like the IC-7300 or Flex 6xxx series is that our A-to-D converters (ADCs) are protected from wideband interference by a narrowband I.F. The K3/K3S uses crystal filters, while the KX3 uses precision, narrowband low-pass filters.
>
> In direct-sampling SDRs, the ADC is right at the front end of the radio, protected only by wideband LC filters. The result is typically 15-20 dB lower blocking dynamic range. More subtle is the effect of multiple signals, which can combine in phase to hit the limit of the ADC, resulting in unwanted images.
>
> It's a tradeoff; a direct-sampling SDR can allow you to look at multiple MHz of bandwidth on its spectrum display, if that's of interest.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Thanks for addressing what to me is the core issue with any rig -- performance. A "bells and whistles" user interface -- and that can be a matter of personal preference -- may sell a lot of rigs, but to me performance is key in selecting a base station transceiver. I can compromise performance for special applications like portable ops, QRP, etc. but I want my main station radio to be near the top of the list in the Sherwoodian sense.
>>
>> After looking at the information here http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx an in the pdf file linked here: http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746
>> and from the general appearance of the Icom-7300 (ports, controls, etc.) I don't expect it to be near the top when Rob Sherwood tests it. Of course, it hinges on a number of factors -- including those you brought up below -- and I could be surprised. Even so, while I'm not spring-loaded against SDR rigs (the KX3 is basically an SDR radio, after all, and I enjoy mine), I can do without a touch-screen interface. But I've been at this for 62 years now, so maybe I'm just "old fashioned" :-)
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>> On 9/3/15 1:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>>> I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not
>>>> upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR in convention looking
>>>> hardware. I am confident that they will be releasing a whole line of
>>>> stand alone SDR rigs...
>>> The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses in the front end of the
>>> 7300 and how clean (phase noise) they can make the synthesizer (clock).
>>>
>>> If they have enough ADC bits to provide dynamic range, their claimed
>>> synthesizer phase noise comparison should put the 7300 at about the
>>> same level as the Ten-Tec Eagle in the Sherwood "chart" (e.g., 92-95
>>> dB IMDDR3, -134 dBc @ 10 KHz phase noise, 125-130 dB 100 KHz blocking
>>> [ADC limited]).
>>>
>>> If Icom "cheaps out" and uses an ADC with limited resolution (number of
>>> bits) like some of its commercial products, the 7300 is likely to fall
>>> way down the list - into the neighborhood of the IC-7000 or FT-2000.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/3/2015 3:19 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote:
>>>> Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc
>>>> needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of
>>>> soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the
>>>> IC7300, most of the time you will likely be using the most commonly used
>>>> functions which appear to be tied the physical knobs and buttons, and not
>>>> have to touch the screen that much.
>>>>
>>>> SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the way now, and I think this is
>>>> Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan
>>>> base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident
>>>> that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs...
>>>>
>>>> I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love Elecraft and love supporting
>>>> a made in North American brand, but frankly am confused as to why Elecraft
>>>> isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Bob

bdenley

Re: Icom IC-7300

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I'm with Chris. I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.

Brian
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> On Sep 3, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Chris Hallinan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'll add my $0.02. I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
> John mentions. However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
> on my K3. Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
> to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.
>
> Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
> dollars. But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
> definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
> before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.
>
> Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3. And then
> I wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter. I bet
> I'm not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
> desktop real estate!!! The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
> pretty "old school" ;) What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
> built in? Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
> owner. But I can have a wish list, can't I? ;)
>
> -Chris
> K1AY
>
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>>
>> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main
>> complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I can wipe
>> it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
>> Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
>> solution. I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or incandescent
>> light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.
>>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Icom IC-7300

Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real
buttons with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.
I have tried tuning with the mouse scrollwheel, but find it cumbersome.
For my radio, give me buttons and knobs - I can do the tuning and button
pushing "by feel" and it does not take my concentration away by having
to observe what I am seeing on the screen.

Just my not so humble opinion.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2015 10:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> I'm with Chris. I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.
>
> Brian
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On 09/03/2015 08:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real
> buttons with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.

The nice thing about knobs is that over time you develop "muscle memory"
where each one is and how to adjust it. You can make the adjustments
without thinking about it, so you can keep your mind focused on operating.

A touch screen might be handy for some things, but the prime operating
controls should be knobs IM (not so) HO. :=)

Alan N1AL

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Gary Gregory-2

Re: Icom IC-7300

Alan,

Nobody has said it better.

Elecraft = Knobs R Us

Gary

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On 09/03/2015 08:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real
> buttons with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.

The nice thing about knobs is that over time you develop "muscle memory"
where each one is and how to adjust it. You can make the adjustments
without thinking about it, so you can keep your mind focused on operating.

A touch screen might be handy for some things, but the prime operating
controls should be knobs IM (not so) HO. :=)

Alan N1AL

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Re: Icom IC-7300

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Now that I've had a smartphone for a few years, I can coexist with both
worlds.
But, being an OT, I like my knobs and switches.
Surprisingly, I haven't bought a TS-991.

At the Huntsville Hamfest, I ordered a Flex 6700, as well as a K3S.
As a concession to the knob-twiddler in my personality, I pre-ordered
the Maestro console for the 6700.
Aside from having some actual knobs, I can operate it anywhere in the
house, on the patio, etc. as long as it can reach my wireless signal.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/3/2015 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> I'm with Chris. I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.
>
> Brian
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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Can we be done with the IC-7300 stuff? After all, this is the Elecraft
mail list and I do not think it has anyplace here. Just my opinion. I
am sure, somewhere there is a IC-7300 list that will fit your needs.

Jim W4ATK

On 9/3/2015 3:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
>> Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of
>> special test equipment?
>
> Absolutely! The FT-991 will be much more noisy, suffer much more QRM
> from adjacent signals and suffer much more blocking from strong signals
> on the other end of the band.
>
> Anyone who has had a K3 and an Icom 756 Pro or TS-480 side by side and
> on the same antenna system can tell the difference in a few minutes of
> use.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 9/3/2015 4:42 PM, bs usb wrote:
>> Al,
>>
>> Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
>> test equipment?
>>
>> If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.
>>
>> Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios. I
>> expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features
>> that are expensive options elsewhere.
>>
>> Al Gulseth wrote:
>>> Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's
>>> specs
>>> (sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from
>>> Atlas,
>>> Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of
>>> difference
>>> between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series
>>> Elecrafts etc.)
>>>
>>> Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the
>>> ladies
>>> with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)
>>>
>>> 73, Al
>>>
>>> On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:
>>>> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
>>>> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>>>>
>>>> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>>>>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
>>>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>>>>
>>>>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Henry - K4TMC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]
>>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat
>>>>> them to
>>>>> it with the FT-991.
>>>>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>>>> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

No doubt that DSP IF radios with narrow upstream xtal filters should be everyone's first choice today for a do-everything high performance hf radio. The K3S is unbeatable. That being said, my forays into the world of direct sampling DDC/DUC radios suggest that their receivers may have an edge in simply sounding "better" - subjectively cleaner/less fatiguing with slightly more readability on very weak signals, compared to my K3 and Orion. The direct sampling radios have a long way to go to become all-around great radios, but my impression is that 5-10 years down the road, they will dominate (in a knobbed form).

Just my $.02

Barry N1EU

Jerry Moore

Re: Icom IC-7300

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If Elecraft starts offering high quality/weighted knobs I hope they continue
to offer the standard knobs as well. Maybe make that an option.. standard
knobs included or pay an extra $500 for the heavier ones. For me, I'll stick
with standard.

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I apologize in advance if this is getting far off topic, but there is a blog
that reviews audio equipment purely on the basis of "knob feel". It is
deeply silly, but you know, I can't really disagree. There are lame knobs,
good knobs, and great knobs. The feel of a big audio variable attenuator?
That's a sweet knob, hard to replicate in the digital era.

We need to set this dude up with some amateur radio equipment.

http://knobfeel.tumblr.com/

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> Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real buttons
with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.
> I have tried tuning with the mouse scrollwheel, but find it cumbersome.
For my radio, give me buttons and knobs - I can do the tuning and button
pushing "by feel" and it does not take my concentration away by having to
observe what I am seeing on the screen.

>
> Just my not so humble opinion.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/3/2015 10:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> I'm with Chris. I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.
>>
>> Brian
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+1

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Can we be done with the IC-7300 stuff? After all, this is the Elecraft mail
list and I do not think it has anyplace here. Just my opinion. I am sure,
somewhere there is a IC-7300 list that will fit your needs.

Jim W4ATK

On 9/3/2015 3:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

list.

>>>>
>>>> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>>>>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
>>>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>>>>
>>>>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Henry - K4TMC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]
>>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat
>>>>> them to
>>>>> it with the FT-991.
>>>>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>>>> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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Jim,

I agree that the thread is pretty well thrashed, but -

I do like to hear comparisons of Elecraft equipment with other brands
as it keeps abreast of what's happening out there. Technology is
"stampeding ahead" and all ham gear makers are susceptible to the
changing landscape.

I hated win8.0/8.1 because it was geared to touch screen tablets
(which I do not have). I'm now waiting for my free upgrade to win10
and return to more reasonable UI. I have no smart phone or any cell
phone. My wife has a MOT "flip phone" that does phone calls...enough
for us. She lives on her I-pad3 but already got her win10 upgrade on
her laptop which had win7. My phone is a ten-year old Panasonic
wireless 5-GHz phone that does speaker-phone for my OTE hearing
aids. I'll get blue-tooth on my next pair.

I chose the K3 partly because it has "knobs", which are more
comfortable for making adjustments than using the mouse. Yeah I'm an
old f--t ham, 5-years retired, and heading toward 60-years on ham radio (2018).

K3/10 and KX3 with 2M satisfy my needs (until I can afford a
KXPA100); saving for my new Synth's for the K3.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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Can we be done with the IC-7300 stuff? After all, this is the Elecraft
mail list and I do not think it has anyplace here. Just my opinion. I
am sure, somewhere there is a IC-7300 list that will fit your needs.

Jim W4ATK

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Problem connecting KX3 to Win4K3

Haven’t used my KX3 in many months so I hooked it back up and went to the Elecraft site and updated everything with no issues.
As I recently purchased Win4K3 software and am successfully using it with my K3 I figured I’d try it with the KX3. No luck.
My KX3 shows up on COM4 on my computer (for the Elecraft updates) so I initially tried that unsuccessfully then went through the other COM ports as well.
I tried the default 38400 baud rate as well as the 9600 baud rate. I also retried everything with the K3 disconnected from the computer.
I’m sure its some stupid thing I’m not doing and perhaps I should contact Tom at Win4K3 but I thought I’d try here first.
Any thoughts ?
73, Brian K3USC

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> I agree that the thread is pretty well thrashed, but -
>
> I do like to hear comparisons of Elecraft equipment with other brands as it keeps abreast of what's happening out there. Technology is "stampeding ahead" and all ham gear makers are susceptible to the changing landscape.
>
> <stuff deleted>
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> 73, Ed - KL7UW

I agree. I found the IC-7300 discussion far more interesting than heat sinks for KX3 or 3rd party knobs for the K3.

73, phil, K7PEH
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Or replacement fans for the kpa500. Just cause I can't hear them doesn't mean they are quiet.....I'm just deaf....

Who moved my rock?....oh there it is, dammit it's getting heavier to lift up to squeeze under

Gary

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> I agree that the thread is pretty well thrashed, but -
>
> I do like to hear comparisons of Elecraft equipment with other brands as it keeps abreast of what's happening out there. Technology is "stampeding ahead" and all ham gear makers are susceptible to the changing landscape.
>
> <stuff deleted>
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> 73, Ed - KL7UW

I agree. I found the IC-7300 discussion far more interesting than heat sinks for KX3 or 3rd party knobs for the K3.

73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: Problem connecting KX3 to Win4K3- Problem solved ! Solution below...

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Got a reply back from Tom (Mr. Win4K3) in short order…here’s what he said to do and now it works !

Hi,
The KX3 is usually set up by default to run at 9600 baud. There is a menu option in the radio (RS232) to set it at 38400 which is what I usually tell people to do.
The Elecraft utility auto senses baud rate, so it doesn't matter but Win4K3 doesn't so you need to have it set up in the KX3 itself.
Let me know if this fixes the issue please.
Thanks

What a great guy, great product and Elecraft-like support.
Life is pretty good :-)
73, Brian K3USC

> On Sep 4, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Brian Hemmis <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Haven’t used my KX3 in many months so I hooked it back up and went to the Elecraft site and updated everything with no issues.
> As I recently purchased Win4K3 software and am successfully using it with my K3 I figured I’d try it with the KX3. No luck.
> My KX3 shows up on COM4 on my computer (for the Elecraft updates) so I initially tried that unsuccessfully then went through the other COM ports as well.
> I tried the default 38400 baud rate as well as the 9600 baud rate. I also retried everything with the K3 disconnected from the computer.
> I’m sure its some stupid thing I’m not doing and perhaps I should contact Tom at Win4K3 but I thought I’d try here first.
> Any thoughts ?
> 73, Brian K3USC
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