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bs usb

Re: Icom IC-7300

I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to it
with the FT-991.
I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios. I
might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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> Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to
> get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable.

DITTO!

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Jerry Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Since we're adding our $0.02 I'll add mine as a "soon to be K3S owner".
> 1. Simple and efficient interface was part of my decision.
> 2. Although the rig lacks band switches, it has function buttons that
> support limited macro's to set band/mode/other which fits 99.99% needs for
> anyone who will RTFM and utilize it.
> 3. While integrating the P3 would be nice it adds $700 to an already premium
> feature /cost rig. I'm purchasing incrementally so I'd find it unacceptable
> to have a large blank space on my radio if /until I decided to purchase the
> P3.
> 4. My background is Electronics/Computers and I currently work as a Systems
> Analyst ($4 dollar way of saying really high level support engineer).
> "Modern" isn't always better in my view. There are MANY more modern looking
> rigs that don't perform at the level of the K3S in my opinion. I'd rather
> put $4 into performance, support, and upgradability, than $2 into
> pretty/modern looking. The point being the more complex the system the more
> likely to fail and higher expense.
>
>
> Here's a crazy idea if you want modern with touch screen. Get a
> tablet(windows) with rig control software. That will give you the bleeding
> edge technology with full touch screen control.
>
> Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to
> get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable.
>
> Not intentionally bashing anyone. Just my $0.02.
>
> Jer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Chris
> Hallinan
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:57 AM
> To: John Fritze
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300
>
> I'll add my $0.02. I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
> John mentions. However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
> on my K3. Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
> to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.
>
> Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
> dollars. But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
> definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
> before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.
>
> Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3. And then I
> wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter. I bet I'm
> not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
> desktop real estate!!! The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
> pretty "old school" ;) What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
> built in? Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
> owner. But I can have a wish list, can't I? ;)
>
> -Chris
> K1AY
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my
>> main complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I
>> can wipe it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an
>> Ipad and a Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always
>> the best solution. I like my screens clear and clean because if sun
>> or incandescent light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full
> of smudges.
>>
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.

The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to it with
> the FT-991.
> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios. I
> might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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On my reading/research on the 991, It's a good radio but the display/band
doesn't update as quickly or work the same as the P3 BASED ON MY READING.
Jerry

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I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to it with
the FT-991.
I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios. I
might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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When did this morph into the ICOM reflector ?? Did I not get the memo ???

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 9/3/2015 7:25 AM, brian wrote:

> It is may be time to rethink the display. The functionality added
> through the years has resulted in display of certain settings is
> pretty obscure (e.g. flashing decimal point is supposed to mean
> something)
>
> The difficulty may be display size constraints. Lacking a bigger
> display, it would mean even smaller letters et al. That isn't a good
> idea. Given the creativity of Elecraft engineers, perhaps the
> current display size could still work.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
>
> On 9/3/2015 13:57 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
>> I'll add my $0.02. I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same
>> reasons
>> John mentions. However, I would surely welcome a more modern color
>> screen
>> on my K3. Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar
>> fashion
>> to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.
>>
>> Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted
>> with our
>> dollars. But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
>> definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
>> before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.
>>
>> Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3. And
>> then
>> I wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter. I
>> bet
>> I'm not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for
>> prime
>> desktop real estate!!! The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
>> pretty "old school" ;) What modern high performance rig doesn't have
>> one
>> built in? Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
>> owner. But I can have a wish list, can't I? ;)
>>
>> -Chris
>> K1AY
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster,
>>> my main
>>> complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I can
>>> wipe
>>> it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
>>> Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
>>> solution. I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or
>>> incandescent
>>> light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Fritze Jr
>>> K2QY
>>> [hidden email]
>>> ACACES president 2014
>>> ARES ENY DEC Northern District
>>> Hudson Div. Asst. Director
>>> Twitter: @k2qy
>>> 401 261 4996 (cell)
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Icom IC-7300

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Re my statement "zero info on performance": Has
anyone sorted out performance data from the charts
here:

http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx
or in the pdf file linked here:

http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746

It's interesting to speculate where this Icom-7300
would end up on the Sherwood chart. And how would
it prevail in a strong-signal environment, like
Field Day or an urban area like the one I'm in?
Based on what I've seen it will be OK for casual
operating and SDR "dabbling", but not for serious
operators who contest, work DX or want to play at
Field Day. For those uses the K3/K3S will blow it
away.

In fact, given the KX3 SDR-based design, I wonder
how it and the Icom-7300 will stack up against one
another.

It will be interesting to see some IC-7300 numbers
-- including the price!

73, Phil W7OX

p.s. -- like some others out there, a touch screen
has no attraction for me. On cameras I usually
disable that feature :-)

On 9/2/15 6:56 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

> Cute, but likely not my cup of tea.
>
> Plus, zero info on performance!
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 9/2/15 4:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> Icom recently released news about the upcoming
>> IC-7300
>> <http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx>
>> to be available by the end of the year. A
>> completely software-defined radio. Looks like
>> a real game-changer.
>> While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the
>> tide is slowly shifting to touch sensitive,
>> menu-driven, color displays.
>>
>> I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at
>> this and considering its implications.
>>
>>
>> Doug -- K0DXV
>
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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I'm the same way, I work on complex stuff all day as well.
In my other Expensive Hobby I keep a Reef Aquarium. I've seen a lot of gizmos and gadgets come and go over the yearsand even I fell for a few of them, but more and more I have come full circle and back to the tried methods and equipment.
I think many at times fall for the latest gizmo or craze, then we realize that it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Touchscreens do have their place, but not on an HF rig (at least mine) I prefer real buttons and knobs.
I bought the K-Line is because it was straightforward and not overly (and unnecessarily complex) and somethingthat I could work on if it breaks. At the end of the day I want a radio that lets me hear the other guy, so I can talk to him.

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Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

> Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to
> get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable.

DITTO!

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: Icom IC-7300/Sherwood ratings

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My K3S kit is scheduled for delivery tomorrow.
I ordered it from Lisa at the Huntsville Hamfest, but asked her to defer
shipment until I got home.

I also ordered a Flex 6700 at the hamfest.
Nice to know that I will own three of the top four radios in the
Sherwood rankings.
It will be interesting to see the results when Rob tests the K3S.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/3/2015 7:48 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

bs usb

Re: Icom IC-7300

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Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.

Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>
> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>
> 73,
> Henry - K4TMC
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>
> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to
> it with the FT-991.
> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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K5HM

Re: Icom IC-7300/Sherwood ratings

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Guess a guy cannot have too many radios. My K3 is enough for me though

73,
Ron, K5HM
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Excelsior!

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Lowman
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 1:22 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300/Sherwood ratings

My K3S kit is scheduled for delivery tomorrow.
I ordered it from Lisa at the Huntsville Hamfest, but asked her to defer
shipment until I got home.

I also ordered a Flex 6700 at the hamfest.
Nice to know that I will own three of the top four radios in the Sherwood
rankings.
It will be interesting to see the results when Rob tests the K3S.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/3/2015 7:48 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

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Re: Icom IC-7300

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If 08/05 means August 2005, the listing is about 10 years too early. The FT 991 just came out.

Logan, KZ6O

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:45 PM, bs usb <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>
>
> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>
>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>>
>> 73,
>> Henry - K4TMC
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to
>> it with the FT-991.
>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc
needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of
soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the
IC7300, most of the time you will likely be using the most commonly used
functions which appear to be tied the physical knobs and buttons, and not
have to touch the screen that much.

SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the way now, and I think this is
Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan
base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident
that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs...

I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love Elecraft and love supporting
a made in North American brand, but frankly am confused as to why Elecraft
isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?

73
Bob
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Oh boy!.....8/05 was to mean August 5th. I did not include the year, since
I thought everyone would already know that it is a new rig that came out
this year (2015).

73,
Henry - K4TMC
(crawling back under my rock...)

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Logan Zintsmaster <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If 08/05 means August 2005, the listing is about 10 years too early. The
> FT 991 just came out.
>
> Logan, KZ6O
>
> > On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:45 PM, bs usb <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
> >
> >
> > Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
> >> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
> >>
> >> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Henry - K4TMC
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email] <mailto:
> [hidden email]>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to
> >> it with the FT-991.
> >> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
> >> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

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Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs
(sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas,
Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)

Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the ladies
with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)

73, Al

On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:

> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>
> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
> > Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
> > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
> >
> > The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
> >
> > 73,
> > Henry - K4TMC
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]
> > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to
> > it with the FT-991.
> > I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
> > radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

Al,

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
test equipment?

If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.

Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios. I
expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features
that are expensive options elsewhere.

Al Gulseth wrote:

> Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs
> (sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas,
> Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
> between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)
>
> Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the ladies
> with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)
>
> 73, Al
>
> On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:
>> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
>> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>>
>> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>>
>>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Henry - K4TMC
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to
>>> it with the FT-991.
>>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

> Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of
> special test equipment?

Absolutely! The FT-991 will be much more noisy, suffer much more QRM
from adjacent signals and suffer much more blocking from strong signals
on the other end of the band.

Anyone who has had a K3 and an Icom 756 Pro or TS-480 side by side and
on the same antenna system can tell the difference in a few minutes of
use.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 9/3/2015 4:42 PM, bs usb wrote:

> Al,
>
> Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
> test equipment?
>
> If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.
>
> Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios. I
> expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features
> that are expensive options elsewhere.
>
> Al Gulseth wrote:
>> Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's
>> specs
>> (sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from
>> Atlas,
>> Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
>> between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series
>> Elecrafts etc.)
>>
>> Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the
>> ladies
>> with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)
>>
>> 73, Al
>>
>> On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:
>>> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
>>> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>>>
>>> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>>>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
>>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>>>
>>>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Henry - K4TMC
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to
>>>> it with the FT-991.
>>>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>>> radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself.
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Re: Icom IC-7300

In reply to this post by Henry Pollock - K4TMC

I gave the FT-991 a short, intense work out. I was the first buyer from
Ham Radio Outlet. I just sold it. Having spent the last part of my
career as a Usability Engineer - I was not impressed with the FT-991.
Not from a performance stand point and most importantly not from a
usability stand point. However, I think that larger, color,
touch-sensitive displays are the future of pretty much all U/I's. I
personally expect that Elecraft plans on the K3S to remain as a main
line product for many years to come. However, I think we're at the
cusp of a tidal change. It's the way of technology. Faster, more
powerful, more specialized processors will probably make super-hetrodyne
obsolete. It certainly has been an enduring technology and one that is
still remarkably capable.

I might add that I truly appreciate the K3 and the K-Line. I sold my
first set a few years ago and went with a high-end Icom. After about 6
months I sold it and bought another K-Line. I will not make that
mistake again!

All the arguments supporting the current K3 front panel arrangement are
all valid and I completely support them. I like having the kind of
control the K3 gives me. On the other hand, I'm working on a complete
flat-panel, touch sensitive interface using both Windows 10 and Linux
(Probably OS/X as well) because I designed U/I's for a living and I'm
curious to see what can be done. I can easily envision a knobless,
buttonless, completely integrated flat-panel transceiver whose entire
user interface can be reconfigured at will be the user. Truly - it's
only a matter of who will do it first. I would probably buy one. But -
it would not replace the K3.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 9/3/2015 8:48 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>
> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list!
>
> 73,
> Henry - K4TMC
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to it with
>> the FT-991.
>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios. I
>> might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: Icom IC-7300

In reply to this post by Bob-165

> I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not
> upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR in convention looking
> hardware. I am confident that they will be releasing a whole line of
> stand alone SDR rigs...

The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses in the front end of the
7300 and how clean (phase noise) they can make the synthesizer (clock).

If they have enough ADC bits to provide dynamic range, their claimed
synthesizer phase noise comparison should put the 7300 at about the
same level as the Ten-Tec Eagle in the Sherwood "chart" (e.g., 92-95
dB IMDDR3, -134 dBc @ 10 KHz phase noise, 125-130 dB 100 KHz blocking
[ADC limited]).

If Icom "cheaps out" and uses an ADC with limited resolution (number of
bits) like some of its commercial products, the 7300 is likely to fall
way down the list - into the neighborhood of the IC-7000 or FT-2000.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 9/3/2015 3:19 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote:

> Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc
> needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of
> soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the
> IC7300, most of the time you will likely be using the most commonly used
> functions which appear to be tied the physical knobs and buttons, and not
> have to touch the screen that much.
>
> SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the way now, and I think this is
> Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan
> base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident
> that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs...
>
> I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love Elecraft and love supporting
> a made in North American brand, but frankly am confused as to why Elecraft
> isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?
>
> 73
> Bob
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Re: Icom IC-7300

In reply to this post by Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2

Major selling point of the IC-7300 overhere in Europe will be it's
inclusion of the 70 MHz band! :-)

73, Olli - DH8BQA

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Am 03.09.2015 um 08:58 schrieb Arie Kleingeld PA3A:

> The versatility/flexibility of the K3 is unmatched.
>
> The nice thing about the ic7300 is that it uses direct RF sampling,
> which is probably the way to go in the future. I'm not sure if the
> touchscreen will add real value for operating. I'll have to try.
>
> As I wrote before, I expect that the K4 will be a direct RF sampling
> device, high performance, just as easy and flexible to use as a loaded
> K3/P3, and all the features.
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A
>
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Re: Icom IC-7300

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Joe,

Thanks for addressing what to me is the core issue
with any rig -- performance. A "bells and
whistles" user interface -- and that can be a
matter of personal preference -- may sell a lot of
rigs, but to me performance is key in selecting a
base station transceiver. I can compromise
performance for special applications like portable
ops, QRP, etc. but I want my main station radio to
be near the top of the list in the Sherwoodian sense.

After looking at the information here
http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx
an in the pdf file linked here:
http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746
and from the general appearance of the Icom-7300
(ports, controls, etc.) I don't expect it to be
near the top when Rob Sherwood tests it. Of
course, it hinges on a number of factors --
including those you brought up below -- and I
could be surprised. Even so, while I'm not
spring-loaded against SDR rigs (the KX3 is
basically an SDR radio, after all, and I enjoy
mine), I can do without a touch-screen interface.
But I've been at this for 62 years now, so maybe
I'm just "old fashioned" :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 9/3/15 1:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
>> I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe
>> in the water and not
>> upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR
>> in convention looking
>> hardware. I am confident that they will be
>> releasing a whole line of
>> stand alone SDR rigs...
>
> The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses
> in the front end of the
> 7300 and how clean (phase noise) they can make
> the synthesizer (clock).
>
> If they have enough ADC bits to provide dynamic
> range, their claimed
> synthesizer phase noise comparison should put
> the 7300 at about the
> same level as the Ten-Tec Eagle in the Sherwood
> "chart" (e.g., 92-95
> dB IMDDR3, -134 dBc @ 10 KHz phase noise,
> 125-130 dB 100 KHz blocking
> [ADC limited]).
>
> If Icom "cheaps out" and uses an ADC with
> limited resolution (number of
> bits) like some of its commercial products, the
> 7300 is likely to fall
> way down the list - into the neighborhood of the
> IC-7000 or FT-2000.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 9/3/2015 3:19 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote:
>> Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must
>> in a "stand alone" (no pc
>> needed) SDR, as it allows the future
>> development and or creation and use of
>> soft keys for functions that we may not even
>> think of today. As for the
>> IC7300, most of the time you will likely be
>> using the most commonly used
>> functions which appear to be tied the physical
>> knobs and buttons, and not
>> have to touch the screen that much.
>>
>> SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the
>> way now, and I think this is
>> Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water
>> and not upsetting their fan
>> base by introducing an SDR in convention
>> looking hardware. I am confident
>> that they will be releasing a whole line of
>> stand alone SDR rigs...
>>
>> I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love
>> Elecraft and love supporting
>> a made in North American brand, but frankly am
>> confused as to why Elecraft
>> isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?
>>
>> 73
>> Bob

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