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Peter Chamalian

Interfacing

I'm hoping someone has a solution for my dilemma. I am trying to attain
full automation using all the equipment listed below so that when I change
bands, all the equipment follows. I am 90 percent there with the set up I
describe. The one piece that is not working properly is the amplifier is
not switching bands automatically.

Here's what I have:

Rig: K3

Interface Unit to computer: micro Keyer II (MK2)

Amp: Tokyo High Power HL-1.5KFX

Tuner: PalStar AT-Auto

Band Decoder: Top Ten Devices Band Decoder connected to a Top Ten Device
antenna switch

Interconnections:

K3 is connected to the micro Keyer II via the cable provided by them. In
turn, the MK2 is connected to the computer via RS-232 cable.

The K3 is connected directly to the PalStar AT-Auto using a cable with
mini-phone plugs (tip and ring) from the CI-V output on the K3 to one of the
CI-V inputs on the PalStar.

The other CI-V line from the PalStar is connected to the THP HL-1.5KFX amp
CI-V input.

Settings:

PalStar AT-Auto Setup

CIV Transceive from Any Icon

CIV Address - Radio: 5C

CIV Address - AT-Auto: D0 (does this make a difference?)

Radio set to Any Icom, no external tuner

Tuner set to 9600 8 - N - 1

Tokyo HP HL-1.5KFX

Set to band select (on front panel) as Icom

Rear switch icom-CIV set to CIV

Native CIV address is 5C and speed 9600

Micro Keyer II

CI-V port settings:

Function: TX Frequency

Speed: 9600

Address 5C

With this setup, when I change bands, either by the radio directly or via
N1MM Logger, all equipment changes to the selected band except the
amplifier. If I change my wiring so the CI-V cable from the MK2 goes to the
THP amplifier, it changes no problem. If I connect the CI-V from the MK2 to
the PalStar, it changes band no problem. But, when I connect the tuner CI-V
output to the amplifier, the amplifier does not change.

Pete, W1RM

Pete, W1RM

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Interfacing

Peter,

Are you certain you have the correct cables? You refer to a CI-V cable,
and that is a designation that Icom uses. The K3 does not have any
interface labeled "CI-V"
Are you using the ACC connector? If so, what pins are connected to
which device.
Are you using the RS-232 interface? If so, is the K3 command structure
supported by the device you have connected to it.

If you are using "CI-V" in a generic sense, it should not be used that
way, and we do not understand how you have the K3 connected for that reason.

The K3 can provide band data information on the ACC connector and the
RS-232 interface with the proper support of the peripheral device..

73,
Don W3FPR

Peter Chamalian wrote:

> I'm hoping someone has a solution for my dilemma. I am trying to attain
> full automation using all the equipment listed below so that when I change
> bands, all the equipment follows. I am 90 percent there with the set up I
> describe. The one piece that is not working properly is the amplifier is
> not switching bands automatically.
>
>
>
> Here's what I have:
>
>
>
> Rig: K3
>
> Interface Unit to computer: micro Keyer II (MK2)
>
> Amp: Tokyo High Power HL-1.5KFX
>
> Tuner: PalStar AT-Auto
>
> Band Decoder: Top Ten Devices Band Decoder connected to a Top Ten Device
> antenna switch
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Interconnections:
>
>
>
> K3 is connected to the micro Keyer II via the cable provided by them. In
> turn, the MK2 is connected to the computer via RS-232 cable.
>
>
>
> The K3 is connected directly to the PalStar AT-Auto using a cable with
> mini-phone plugs (tip and ring) from the CI-V output on the K3 to one of the
> CI-V inputs on the PalStar.
>
>
>
> The other CI-V line from the PalStar is connected to the THP HL-1.5KFX amp
> CI-V input.
>
>
>
> Settings:
>
>
>
> PalStar AT-Auto Setup
>
>
>
> CIV Transceive from Any Icon
>
> CIV Address - Radio: 5C
>
> CIV Address - AT-Auto: D0 (does this make a difference?)
>
> Radio set to Any Icom, no external tuner
>
> Tuner set to 9600 8 - N - 1
>
>
>
> Tokyo HP HL-1.5KFX
>
> Set to band select (on front panel) as Icom
>
> Rear switch icom-CIV set to CIV
>
> Native CIV address is 5C and speed 9600
>
>
>
> Micro Keyer II
>
>
>
> CI-V port settings:
>
> Function: TX Frequency
>
> Speed: 9600
>
> Address 5C
>
>
>
> With this setup, when I change bands, either by the radio directly or via
> N1MM Logger, all equipment changes to the selected band except the
> amplifier. If I change my wiring so the CI-V cable from the MK2 goes to the
> THP amplifier, it changes no problem. If I connect the CI-V from the MK2 to
> the PalStar, it changes band no problem. But, when I connect the tuner CI-V
> output to the amplifier, the amplifier does not change.
>
>
>
>
>
> Pete, W1RM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pete, W1RM
>
>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Interfacing

In reply to this post by Peter Chamalian

> K3 is connected to the micro Keyer II via the cable provided
> by them. In turn, the MK2 is connected to the computer via
> RS-232 cable.

Huh? The microKEYER II does not have an RS-232 input. It is
connected to the computer with an USB cable.

> The K3 is connected directly to the Palstar AT-Auto using a
> cable with mini-phone plugs (tip and ring) from the CI-V
> output on the K3 to one of the CI-V inputs on the PalStar.

How? The K3 does not have a CI-V (Icom compatible open
collector bus) connection. As far as I can tell from the
most recent Palstar manual, there is only one CI-V input
- the 5 pin Foster jack (pin 5 = tip, pin 4 = sleeve) on
the AT-Auto.

> The other CI-V line from the PalStar is connected to the THP
> HL-1.5KFX amp CI-V input.

What other CI-V line?

> With this setup, when I change bands, either by the radio
> directly or via N1MM Logger, all equipment changes to the
> selected band except the amplifier. If I change my wiring so
> the CI-V cable from the MK2 goes to the THP amplifier, it
> changes no problem. If I connect the CI-V from the MK2 to
> the PalStar, it changes band no problem. But, when I connect
> the tuner CI-V output to the amplifier, the amplifier does not
> change.

What connectors are you using on the CI-V cable between the
microKEYER II and the Palstar - are they mono or stereo 3.5 mm
plugs? You should be connecting the microKEYER II CI-V output
to the Palstar 5-pin Foster input using the Palstar supplied
Icom cable (Tuner plug is not used).

what connectors are you using on the CI-V cable between the
Palstar and HL-1.5Kfx - are they mono or stereo 3.5 mm plugs?

Connections should be as shown in the AT-Auto manual - pages
24 and 25 (Figure 4.5).

> CIV Address - AT-Auto: D0 (does this make a difference?)

This makes a difference. The Icom "transceive" broadcast is
on address E0. microKEYER II emulates the Icom standard and
the AT-Auto should be set to E0 (not D0). The AT-Auto should
also be set to expect Transceive Data (Frequency broadcast on
E0 address).

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing
>
>
> I'm hoping someone has a solution for my dilemma. I am
> trying to attain full automation using all the equipment
> listed below so that when I change bands, all the equipment
> follows. I am 90 percent there with the set up I describe.
> The one piece that is not working properly is the amplifier
> is not switching bands automatically.
>
> Here's what I have:
>
> Rig: K3
>
> Interface Unit to computer: micro Keyer II (MK2)
>
> Amp: Tokyo High Power HL-1.5KFX
>
> Tuner: PalStar AT-Auto
>
> Band Decoder: Top Ten Devices Band Decoder connected to a Top
> Ten Device antenna switch
>
> Interconnections:
>
> K3 is connected to the micro Keyer II via the cable provided
> by them. In turn, the MK2 is connected to the computer via
> RS-232 cable.
>
> The K3 is connected directly to the PalStar AT-Auto using a
> cable with mini-phone plugs (tip and ring) from the CI-V
> output on the K3 to one of the CI-V inputs on the PalStar.
>
> The other CI-V line from the PalStar is connected to the THP
> HL-1.5KFX amp CI-V input.
>
> Settings:
>
> PalStar AT-Auto Setup
>
> CIV Transceive from Any Icon
> CIV Address - Radio: 5C
> CIV Address - AT-Auto: D0 (does this make a difference?)
> Radio set to Any Icom, no external tuner
> Tuner set to 9600 8 - N - 1
>
> Tokyo HP HL-1.5KFX
>
> Set to band select (on front panel) as Icom
> Rear switch icom-CIV set to CI-V
> Native CIV address is 5C and speed 9600
>
> Micro Keyer II
>
> CI-V port settings:
> Function: TX Frequency
> Speed: 9600
> Address 5C
>
> With this setup, when I change bands, either by the radio
> directly or via N1MM Logger, all equipment changes to the
> selected band except the amplifier. If I change my wiring so
> the CI-V cable from the MK2 goes to the THP amplifier, it
> changes no problem. If I connect the CI-V from the MK2 to
> the PalStar, it changes band no problem. But, when I connect
> the tuner CI-V output to the amplifier, the amplifier does not
> change.
>
> Pete, W1RM
>

HowardZ

Re: Interfacing

In reply to this post by Peter Chamalian

Peter,
I responded to this problem of yours on the Palstar At-Auto yahoo group.

Have you tried moving the jumper in the At-Auto?

Howard