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NK7Z

Inventorying a K3/P3

Hi,

I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to sell
for them. It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that passed, and
his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.

I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it... Aside from the
obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the rig
when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell tail
signs in the configuration menu I should look for?

What I know is the following:

K3, with second receiver
New synths in it for each RX.
10 MHz input for external reference.
Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
Early serial number

I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any
tips... Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the reflector.

I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over for a
list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I think I'll
advise the family to wait a bit on that option.

It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by them,
so it should still be in good shape... Anyway, if you can think of
things to look for, I am all ears...

--
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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John Simmons

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

Dave,

This topic was recently covered either here or another reflector I
subscribe to.

There isn't a very good way to properly find all the options installed
other than pulling the cover to see. There are two programs that may
help: The Elecraft K3 Utility program and K3_EZ:
https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/files/K3_EZ

-de John NI0K

Dave Cole wrote on 3/29/2021 12:18 PM:

> Hi,
>
> I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to
> sell for them. It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that
> passed, and his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.
>
> I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it... Aside from the
> obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the rig
> when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell tail
> signs in the configuration menu I should look for?
>
> What I know is the following:
>
> K3, with second receiver
> New synths in it for each RX.
> 10 MHz input for external reference.
> Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
> Early serial number
>
> I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any
> tips... Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the
> reflector.
>
> I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over for
> a list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I think
> I'll advise the family to wait a bit on that option.
>
> It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by
> them, so it should still be in good shape... Anyway, if you can think
> of things to look for, I am all ears...
>

Rick Bates, NK7I

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

Dave,

The menu settings would be a good place to start, confirmed by taking
the cover off. One receiver is covered by the other, so some
disassembly is required for the visual of the filters. Then tuner,
which i/o board etc.

For the P3, the options are the SVGA board and the TX board.

Sorry for your loss,
Rick NK7I

On 3/29/2021 10:30 AM, John Simmons wrote:

> Dave,
>
> This topic was recently covered either here or another reflector I
> subscribe to.
>
> There isn't a very good way to properly find all the options installed
> other than pulling the cover to see. There are two programs that may
> help: The Elecraft K3 Utility program and K3_EZ:
> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/files/K3_EZ
>
> -de John NI0K
>
>
> Dave Cole wrote on 3/29/2021 12:18 PM:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to
>> sell for them. It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that
>> passed, and his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.
>>
>> I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it... Aside from
>> the obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the
>> rig when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell
>> tail signs in the configuration menu I should look for?
>>
>> What I know is the following:
>>
>> K3, with second receiver
>> New synths in it for each RX.
>> 10 MHz input for external reference.
>> Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
>> Early serial number
>>
>> I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any
>> tips... Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the
>> reflector.
>>
>> I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over
>> for a list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I
>> think I'll advise the family to wait a bit on that option.
>>
>> It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by
>> them, so it should still be in good shape... Anyway, if you can
>> think of things to look for, I am all ears...
>>
>
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NK7Z

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

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Thanks sir!!! I will look for them.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/29/21 10:30 AM, John Simmons wrote:

> Dave,
>
> This topic was recently covered either here or another reflector I
> subscribe to.
>
> There isn't a very good way to properly find all the options installed
> other than pulling the cover to see. There are two programs that may
> help: The Elecraft K3 Utility program and K3_EZ:
> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/files/K3_EZ
>
> -de John NI0K
>
>
> Dave Cole wrote on 3/29/2021 12:18 PM:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to
>> sell for them. It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that
>> passed, and his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.
>>
>> I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it... Aside from the
>> obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the rig
>> when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell tail
>> signs in the configuration menu I should look for?
>>
>> What I know is the following:
>>
>> K3, with second receiver
>> New synths in it for each RX.
>> 10 MHz input for external reference.
>> Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
>> Early serial number
>>
>> I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any
>> tips... Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the
>> reflector.
>>
>> I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over for
>> a list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I think
>> I'll advise the family to wait a bit on that option.
>>
>> It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by
>> them, so it should still be in good shape... Anyway, if you can think
>> of things to look for, I am all ears...
>>
>
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NK7Z

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

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Hi Rick,
Thank you for the tips! I will miss the him, I knew him for 50 years...
We ended up living maybe 700 feet from each other about 40 years ago,
all by chance...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/29/21 10:34 AM, Rick NK7I wrote:

> Dave,
>
> The menu settings would be a good place to start, confirmed by taking
> the cover off. One receiver is covered by the other, so some
> disassembly is required for the visual of the filters. Then tuner,
> which i/o board etc.
>
> For the P3, the options are the SVGA board and the TX board.
>
> Sorry for your loss,
> Rick NK7I
>
>
> On 3/29/2021 10:30 AM, John Simmons wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> This topic was recently covered either here or another reflector I
>> subscribe to.
>>
>> There isn't a very good way to properly find all the options installed
>> other than pulling the cover to see. There are two programs that may
>> help: The Elecraft K3 Utility program and K3_EZ:
>> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/files/K3_EZ
>>
>> -de John NI0K
>>
>>
>> Dave Cole wrote on 3/29/2021 12:18 PM:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to
>>> sell for them. It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that
>>> passed, and his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.
>>>
>>> I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it... Aside from
>>> the obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the
>>> rig when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell
>>> tail signs in the configuration menu I should look for?
>>>
>>> What I know is the following:
>>>
>>> K3, with second receiver
>>> New synths in it for each RX.
>>> 10 MHz input for external reference.
>>> Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
>>> Early serial number
>>>
>>> I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any
>>> tips... Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the
>>> reflector.
>>>
>>> I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over
>>> for a list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I
>>> think I'll advise the family to wait a bit on that option.
>>>
>>> It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by
>>> them, so it should still be in good shape... Anyway, if you can
>>> think of things to look for, I am all ears...
>>>
>>
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Brian Hunt

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

Dave,
There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I’m sure there are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value to the K3.

Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3’s S/N?

Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a friend.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

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NK7Z

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

Hi Brian,

Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps
for add on items like new synths, etc. I have saved your email.

I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks,
and gotten precisely zero replies from [hidden email] address...

Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail... It
is like firing email into a black hole...

I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and
webmaster in hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!

I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to
to COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting
very frustrated.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net

On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:

> Dave,
> There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I’m sure there are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value to the K3.
>
> Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3’s S/N?
>
> Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a friend.
>
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
>
>
>

Bill K9YEQ

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

Given what I have read on the reflector, try calling. There are so may impatient dolts, I can understand there situation. All the stupid "when will I get mine" I am sure have bogged down their inbox. Not to say phone messages aren't as well. But who knows....

Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:43 PM....To: Brian Hunt <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3

Hi Brian,

Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps for add on items like new synths, etc. I have saved your email.

I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks, and gotten precisely zero replies from [hidden email] address...

Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail... It is like firing email into a black hole...

I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and webmaster in hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!

I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to to COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting very frustrated.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net

On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:

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Julia Tuttle

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

I wouldn't go so far as to call them "dolts" -- Elecraft *is* currently
running far behind reasonable expectations for turnaround time, and asking
for an update is a reasonable response to that.

I'm happy to cut them some slack, and I hope others will be as well, but
it's a lot easier to do that patiently when we (a) know our emails will
actually get a response and (b) know how long to expect things to take.

73,

Julie

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:59 AM Bill Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Given what I have read on the reflector, try calling. There are so may
> impatient dolts, I can understand there situation. All the stupid "when
> will I get mine" I am sure have bogged down their inbox. Not to say phone
> messages aren't as well. But who knows....
>
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> On Behalf Of Dave Cole
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:43 PM....To: Brian Hunt <
> [hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps for
> add on items like new synths, etc. I have saved your email.
>
> I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks, and
> gotten precisely zero replies from [hidden email] address...
>
> Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail... It is
> like firing email into a black hole...
>
> I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and webmaster
> in hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!
>
> I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to to
> COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting very
> frustrated.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
>
>
> On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:
> > Dave,
> > There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three
> that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power
> from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add
> a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new
> synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general
> coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I’m sure there
> are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you
> go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value
> to the K3.
> >
> > Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3’s
> S/N?
> >
> > Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a
> friend.
> >
> > 73,
> > Brian, K0DTJ
> >
> >
> >
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Geert Jan de Groot

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

In reply to this post by NK7Z

Hi,

First off, sorry for your loss.

As to options, and especially modifications, I very much would like
Elecraft to give each modification a number so there can be a sticker in
a radio that says:

This radio has the following modifications: 01, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 12.

That would make these things much easier.

For K2, K3, and the KX-en too late, but perhaps for the K4 this can and
should be done?

Geert Jan

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KeithWE6R

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3 nk7z

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Hi Dave;
Since it was here less than a year ago, no need to send it for updates.
If it hasn't been altered, you can get all the options/filters from the
menus.
If it has been reset for some reason, we can send you the configuration
file to re-load that was saved at last service.

We don't inventory every radio, but you could load that file into the
radio and then go thru the menus.
This would be a fairly accurate list unless you believe he
removed/changed any filters or options, in which case you will have to
open it up and take out the Sub receiver and open the sub receiver to
inventory all items.

Someone could also load that file into another radio (I believe it is
advanced mode of the K3 Utility lets you skip past the serial #
mismatch) then look thru the menus. Don't forget to save the host
radio's config file before doing this so you can restore it!
Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech.

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NK7Z

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3 nk7z

Keith,

First off, thank you very much for the reply! I do appreciate it greatly!

That is the info I needed! I now know the menus will give me most of
what I need. As far as I know the radio has not been reset, nor has
anyone been in it! That makes things a lot simpler! I do thank you
sir! Take care, and and stay safe! Again, thank you.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/30/21 9:22 AM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:

> Hi Dave;
> Since it was here less than a year ago, no need to send it for updates.
> If it hasn't been altered, you can get all the options/filters from the
> menus.
> If it has been reset for some reason, we can send you the configuration
> file to re-load that was saved at last service.
>
> We don't inventory every radio, but you could load that file into the
> radio and then go thru the menus.
> This would be a fairly accurate list unless you believe he
> removed/changed any filters or options, in which case you will have to
> open it up and take out the Sub receiver and open the sub receiver to
> inventory all items.
>
> Someone could also load that file into another radio (I believe it is
> advanced mode of the K3 Utility lets you skip past the serial #
> mismatch) then look thru the menus. Don't forget to save the host
> radio's config file before doing this so you can restore it!
> Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech.
>

NK7Z

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

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That is a hell of a good idea!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/30/21 6:35 AM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:

> Hi,
>
> First off, sorry for your loss.
>
>
> As to options, and especially modifications, I very much would like
> Elecraft to give each modification a number so there can be a sticker in
> a radio that says:
>
> This radio has the following modifications: 01, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 12.
>
> That would make these things much easier.
>
> For K2, K3, and the KX-en too late, but perhaps for the K4 this can and
> should be done?
>
> Geert Jan
>
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NK7Z

Re: Inventorying a K3/P3

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Bill, thank you, Keith gave me the needed info! No need to call.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/29/21 9:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

> Given what I have read on the reflector, try calling. There are so may impatient dolts, I can understand there situation. All the stupid "when will I get mine" I am sure have bogged down their inbox. Not to say phone messages aren't as well. But who knows....
>
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Dave Cole
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:43 PM....To: Brian Hunt <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps for add on items like new synths, etc. I have saved your email.
>
> I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks, and gotten precisely zero replies from [hidden email] address...
>
> Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail... It is like firing email into a black hole...
>
> I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and webmaster in hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!
>
> I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to to COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting very frustrated.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
>
>
> On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:
>> Dave,
>> There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I’m sure there are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value to the K3.
>>
>> Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3’s S/N?
>>
>> Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a friend.
>>
>> 73,
>> Brian, K0DTJ
>>
>>
>>
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