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Paul VanOveren-2

Is ham radio a sport ??

The link is to a 1958 Sports Illustrated article, about Ham Radio being a
sport. If you have seen it before, sorry for the bandwidth, but I found it
interesting reading, maybe some others will also...

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Joshua Mesilane

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

I guess it depends on your definition of a sport.

A game, it can be, a sport, maybe not so much. Some people consider Poker a
sport, other consider it a game and some even consider it a career.

There are definitely aspects of HAM Radio that can be considered a sport,
HAB hunting, Foxhunting, ARDF, etc but overall I wouldn't have put the
whole hobby in that category.

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> The link is to a 1958 Sports Illustrated article, about Ham Radio being a
> sport. If you have seen it before, sorry for the bandwidth, but I found it
> interesting reading, maybe some others will also...
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Scott Manthe-2

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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Many contesters consider contesting "radiosport."

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 3/20/13 8:44 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
> The link is to a 1958 Sports Illustrated article, about Ham Radio being a
> sport. If you have seen it before, sorry for the bandwidth, but I found it
> interesting reading, maybe some others will also...
>
> <
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1002473/index.htm

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Chris Schrecengost

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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I suppose that if these days playing video games is considered a sport then
this hobby could be as well. I think that would have been a stretch in
1958.

Chris
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> The link is to a 1958 Sports Illustrated article, about Ham Radio being a
> sport. If you have seen it before, sorry for the bandwidth, but I found it
> interesting reading, maybe some others will also...
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Gil G.

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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Wishful thinking…

IMHO it is absolutely not a sport. Even if you are on a SOTA activation, the sport you are doing is hiking, not Ham radio.
Contesting is not a sport either. All you do is sit on your behind.. All that is involved in Ham radio is moving your fingers and maybe lips a little.. I can't even start to understand how it could be even remotely called a sport.

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On Mar 20, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:

> The link is to a 1958 Sports Illustrated article, about Ham Radio being a
> sport. If you have seen it before, sorry for the bandwidth, but I found it
> interesting reading, maybe some others will also...
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wayne burdick

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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Ham radio may not be a sport in any conventional sense, but it *can*
be exhausting. After some especially tough rework on a PC board I
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I may have been joking, but in any case, my desoldering technique has
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Reginald J Mackey SR-3

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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Contesting, competition, field day competition, could qualify as sport?

Reggie k6xr
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On Mar 20, 2013, at 6:18 PM, "Gil G." <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wishful thinking…
>
> IMHO it is absolutely not a sport. Even if you are on a SOTA activation, the sport you are doing is hiking, not Ham radio.
> Contesting is not a sport either. All you do is sit on your behind.. All that is involved in Ham radio is moving your fingers and maybe lips a little.. I can't even start to understand how it could be even remotely called a sport.
>
> Gil.
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> On Mar 20, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>
>> The link is to a 1958 Sports Illustrated article, about Ham Radio being a
>> sport. If you have seen it before, sorry for the bandwidth, but I found it
>> interesting reading, maybe some others will also...
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k6dgw

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

If you keep score, it's a sport ... maybe not athletic in the Olympic
sense, but a sport. As a Little League baseball coach [no one else
would do it], a Mom asked me, "Is winning important?" I really didn't
know where she was coming from, but I didn't have much time and I
replied, "Yes Ma'am, that's why we keep score."

Her son played, did well. We won about half our games.

On 3/20/2013 6:31 PM, Reginald J
73,

Fred K6DGW
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> Contesting, competition, field day competition, could qualify as sport?

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Scott Manthe-2

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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Queen Victoria's definition notwithstanding, anyone who runs 12 or 14
hours straight in a CW contest has shown a great deal of endurance and
if they're using a set of paddles, a good deal of physical skill.

The term "sport" has had an expanded definition for decades to include
that which is not strictly physical. The "shooting sports" for example,
aside from the biathlon, include activities that don't call for great
strength or physical endurance, but can be very exacting, which can be
demanding and exhausting in its own way.

Personally, I feel that calling contesting- at its most competitive and
on the highest levels- "radiosport" is entirely appropriate.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 3/20/13 10:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Like most of us in the 'west', I was raised with the idea that a "sport" was
> something that required a great deal of physical skill and endurance .

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Vic Rosenthal

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

Foxhunting (the running-around kind) and contesting are certainly sports. DXing could be a
sport. Physical activity is not a necessity -- take chess, for example.
What about "competitive eating?" The author of this Wikipedia article thinks it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_eating

On 3/20/2013 7:50 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:

> Queen Victoria's definition notwithstanding, anyone who runs 12 or 14 hours straight in
> a CW contest has shown a great deal of endurance and if they're using a set of paddles,
> a good deal of physical skill.
>
> The term "sport" has had an expanded definition for decades to include that which is not
> strictly physical. The "shooting sports" for example, aside from the biathlon, include
> activities that don't call for great strength or physical endurance, but can be very
> exacting, which can be demanding and exhausting in its own way.
>
> Personally, I feel that calling contesting- at its most competitive and on the highest
> levels- "radiosport" is entirely appropriate.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
> On 3/20/13 10:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>> Like most of us in the 'west', I was raised with the idea that a "sport" was
>> something that required a great deal of physical skill and endurance .
>

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kevinr@coho.net

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I looked up the definition of sport:

sport (spôrt, sprt)
n.
1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs
and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.

2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed
by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

3. An active pastime; recreation.
4. a. Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks.
b. An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport.
c. A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport.

5. a. One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially
of a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
b. Informal One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
c. Informal A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.

6. Informal
a. A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
b. A gambler at sporting events.

7. Biology An organism that shows a marked change from the normal type
or parent stock, typically as a result of mutation.

8. Maine See summercater. See Regional Note at summercater.

9. Obsolete Amorous dalliance; lovemaking.

It looks like the first two definitions fit the exercise part of
things. Definition three fits the RadioSport setting better.
Kevin. KD5ONS

On 3/20/2013 7:50 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:

> Queen Victoria's definition notwithstanding, anyone who runs 12 or 14
> hours straight in a CW contest has shown a great deal of endurance and
> if they're using a set of paddles, a good deal of physical skill.
>
> The term "sport" has had an expanded definition for decades to include
> that which is not strictly physical. The "shooting sports" for
> example, aside from the biathlon, include activities that don't call
> for great strength or physical endurance, but can be very exacting,
> which can be demanding and exhausting in its own way.
>
> Personally, I feel that calling contesting- at its most competitive
> and on the highest levels- "radiosport" is entirely appropriate.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
> On 3/20/13 10:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>> Like most of us in the 'west', I was raised with the idea that a
>> "sport" was
>> something that required a great deal of physical skill and endurance .
>
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Bill Frantz

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On 3/20/13 at 6:29 PM, [hidden email] (Wayne Burdick) wrote:

> http://qrp.kd4ab.org/1999/990107/0008.html

ROTFLOL!

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On 3/20/13 at 7:42 PM, [hidden email] (Fred Jensen) wrote:

>If you keep score, it's a sport ... maybe not athletic in the Olympic sense, but a sport.

IMHO!

I would say that if you keep score it is a contest. That covers
poker, bridge, ham contests, and a whole bunch of other things.

If it involves physical activity, it is a sport. It may be
competitive, like baseball, football etc. or non-competitive
like mountaineering and caving.

Running through the woods with a radio and an antenna while fox
hunting is certainly a sport. If you are competing with others
for first-to-the-fox, than it is also a contest.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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http://qrp.kd4ab.org/1999/990107/0008.html

Hey Wayne, Not sure you were joking with that de-soldering process. As a POS field tech during the early 70's, I had to troubleshoot and repair generation-1 mini-computers to the component level in grocery stores. Picture performing each of those desoldering steps while standing at a checkout lane at a busy Ralph's, or sitting cross-legged on the floor of a dirty office. And don't forget the mods to the wire-wrap boards and fixing the paper tape readers on the ASR-33 TTY consoles. Those were certainly [NOT] the days! Thanks for the chuckle and memories!

73 ES GOD BLESS U ES URS DE KEN N4OI

N0AZZ

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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Of course it is after someone completes a tough 2 day contest or trying for hours on end trying to work a DX enmity in a very poor region of the world for you.....

Then it's hard to sit for a while and rag chew, but my age is telling on me and it's hard for me to complete a contest for a full 48 hrs not even close.

73,
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Contesting, competition, field day competition, could qualify as sport?

Reggie k6xr
Amateur radio 57 years
DXCC, RCC, WAC

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On Mar 20, 2013, at 6:18 PM, "Gil G." <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wishful thinking…
>
> IMHO it is absolutely not a sport. Even if you are on a SOTA activation, the sport you are doing is hiking, not Ham radio.
> Contesting is not a sport either. All you do is sit on your behind.. All that is involved in Ham radio is moving your fingers and maybe lips a little.. I can't even start to understand how it could be even remotely called a sport.
>
> Gil.
> --
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>
> On Mar 20, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>
>> The link is to a 1958 Sports Illustrated article, about Ham Radio
>> being a sport. If you have seen it before, sorry for the bandwidth,
>> but I found it interesting reading, maybe some others will also...
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N0AZZ

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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Well it qualifies under 1/2/3/5a/5b you proved the point that it is thanks!

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I looked up the definition of sport:

sport (spôrt, sprt)
n.
1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and
often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.

2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a
set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

3. An active pastime; recreation.
4. a. Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks.
b. An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport.
c. A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport.

5. a. One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of
a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
b. Informal One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
c. Informal A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.

6. Informal
a. A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
b. A gambler at sporting events.

7. Biology An organism that shows a marked change from the normal type or
parent stock, typically as a result of mutation.

8. Maine See summercater. See Regional Note at summercater.

9. Obsolete Amorous dalliance; lovemaking.

It looks like the first two definitions fit the exercise part of things.
Definition three fits the RadioSport setting better.
Kevin. KD5ONS

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Keith Heimbold

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

Anything you can drink alcohol during and eat carne asada while doing is not a sport. Haha!

But then again I used to play on corporate softball team and that is exactly what we did. I did consider softball a sport as people were very competitive, cursed a lot, tried tactics of intimidation and ridicule (ham radio does have that going for it), and people got hurt. I think physical exertion and risk of physical harm are the things that are lacking to convince me ham radio is a sport IMHO.

For a long time I was thinking of combining snowboarding and DXing together as an activity. Maybe remote on top of Mammoth looking for a tree to hang an antenna and working DX, but even that would not be a sport. Much as I used to run long distance races (Oahu Perimeter run, half marathons, 20k, etc) but I don't really consider that a sport. Even the iron man in hawaii is not a sport, it is an endurance competition. Ham radio can be a competitive activity but it is mostly a great challenging hobby.

Another thought, I have a couple family members whose company has major TV special effects and post production contracts with ESPN, CBS sports and the Bundesliga and others, so maybe I can ask them to poll their clients on whether they believe that ham radio is a sport. It would make for a very interesting discussion maybe on the Jim Rome show or sportscenter. Lol.

Keith
AK6ZZ

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On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:34 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well it qualifies under 1/2/3/5a/5b you proved the point that it is thanks!
>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
> K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100
> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of kevinr
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:59 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is ham radio a sport ??
>
> I looked up the definition of sport:
>
> sport (spôrt, sprt)
> n.
> 1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and
> often engaged in competitively.
> b. A particular form of this activity.
>
> 2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a
> set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
>
> 3. An active pastime; recreation.
> 4. a. Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks.
> b. An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport.
> c. A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport.
>
> 5. a. One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of
> a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
> b. Informal One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
> c. Informal A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.
>
> 6. Informal
> a. A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
> b. A gambler at sporting events.
>
> 7. Biology An organism that shows a marked change from the normal type or
> parent stock, typically as a result of mutation.
>
> 8. Maine See summercater. See Regional Note at summercater.
>
> 9. Obsolete Amorous dalliance; lovemaking.
>
> It looks like the first two definitions fit the exercise part of things.
> Definition three fits the RadioSport setting better.
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
>
> On 3/20/2013 7:50 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>> Queen Victoria's definition notwithstanding, anyone who runs 12 or 14
>> hours straight in a CW contest has shown a great deal of endurance and
>> if they're using a set of paddles, a good deal of physical skill.
>>
>> The term "sport" has had an expanded definition for decades to include
>> that which is not strictly physical. The "shooting sports" for
>> example, aside from the biathlon, include activities that don't call
>> for great strength or physical endurance, but can be very exacting,
>> which can be demanding and exhausting in its own way.
>>
>> Personally, I feel that calling contesting- at its most competitive
>> and on the highest levels- "radiosport" is entirely appropriate.
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott, N9AA
>>
>> On 3/20/13 10:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>> Like most of us in the 'west', I was raised with the idea that a
>>> "sport" was
>>> something that required a great deal of physical skill and endurance .
>>
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Lewis Phelps

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

In reply to this post by Gil G.

"Athletic competition" is a subset of "Sport". Wiki offers the following:

"...sport can be primarily physical (such as rugby or athletics), primarily mind (such as chess or go), predominantly motorised (such as Formula 1 or powerboating), primarily co-ordination (such as billiard sports) or primarily animal supported (such as equestrian sport)."

I submit that contesting includes most of the above elements of competitive sports:
- physical endurance; 48 hours nonstop requires as much training as distance running;
- mind, for certain;
- "motorized" in the sense that equipment plays a crucial role in the outcome;
- coordination (at least for CW).

If you include wG0AT, Steve, the ham who activates difficult peaks using goats to carry his equipment, ham radio includes all possible elements of competitive sports. See: http://m.youtube.com/#/user/goathiker?&desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2Fgoathiker

Lew N6LEW

Typos courtesy iPad auto spell check

Mar 20, 2013, at 9:18 PM, "Gil G." <[hidden email]> wrote:…
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> IMHO it is absolutely not a sport. Even if you are on a SOTA activation, the sport you are doing is hiking, not Ham radio.
> Contesting is not a sport either. All you do is sit on your behind.. All that is involved in Ham radio is moving your fingers and maybe lips a little.. I can't even start to understand how it could be even remotely called a sport.
>
> Gil
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Bill Steffey NY9H

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

talk about exercise and danger,,,, last time I was up at 50 feet
working on the tower, it was mostly exercise. Danger it was to the
antenna if you let go.
Suppose if we add tower climbing races to the hobby, then it is a sport,.

bill/3

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daleputnam

Re: Is ham radio a sport ??

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Now There's a great idea.. and equalizer... EVERY assisted op... must climb to the top of their tower(s) to start competeing, but they can't do that until the contest starts... if they have more than one tower.. they must climb them all.... clear to the top... and be assisted... by the proper use of climbing safety equipment.After they get down.. then they can start competeing... all the unassisted ops... get to do the same.

Have a great day,

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy

> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:10:50 -0400

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> talk about exercise and danger,,,, last time I was up at 50 feet
> working on the tower, it was mostly exercise. Danger it was to the
> antenna if you let go.
> Suppose if we add tower climbing races to the hobby, then it is a sport,.
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> bill/3
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